Is William Barr running a cover-up operation?

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blungld
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"Ironical that those who find the term to be absurd are the ones who virtue signal almost as a reflex to positions they don't like..." says the person who reflexively uses "virtue signal" (pretty much the only one who does) as a generic put down without rhyme or reason to any oppositional position.

You use virtue signal the way an ugly person might accuse someone of "beauty signaling" when simply beautiful would do. That's a word we use to describe an attractive appearance.

Or the way a selfish person might accuse a generous person of "generosity signaling" when simply generous would do. That's a word we use for charitable behavior.

Or the way a stupid person might accuse a smart person of "intelligence signaling" when simply intelligent would do. That's a word we use for brilliant thinking.

So maybe you should try and stop turning attributes into insults, presumably because that attribute in others calls attention to your own deficit, and instead of using the phrase virtue signaling, you can just call good, worthy, ethical, opinions as simply virtuous, because that's what they actually are and we have a word for it.

The only person signaling is you, if by signaling you mean being insincere and less interested in solutions and more interested in displaying to others your belonging to group think.
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GBear4Life said:

Ironical that those who find the term to be absurd are the ones who virtue signal almost as a reflex to positions they don't like -- and more importantly don't like to refute outside of specious appeals to "compassion", a well documented poor metric to judge public policy.

We don't do nice things for poor people out of the kindness of our hearts. We do it as a practical response to the Pareto distribution (80% of the wealth will generally be held by 20% of population) to maintain stability both socially and economically for all. We give folks sustenance by giving them a few nickels so that they don't band together and revolt against the system, so they don't rob a liquor store, so that they have some spending money to create additional demand of economic goods, so that they don't all go homeless and start to encroach on the streets and lawns of tax paying, contributing members of society. Those are the reasons why a social safety net is necessary, logical and moral. Not because a bunch of guys with too much privilege and free time needed to both stroke their ego and mitigate their own moral guilt over their lack of moral courage to actually act out their self proclaimed virtue onto the world.

Because there are no parameters of the "compassion" and "equity" doctrines. Feeble minded people who employ the compassion narrative fail to realize that it's an ideology that, by definition, has no bounds. Whatever improvement on compassion it demands, there is an infinite amount of grounds to continue demanding "more" compassion until the end of time, until you're now forced to compassionately give up everything you've got, until you've become a monster. It's an irrational, pathological ideology that is seductive and thus understandable. But it is demonstrably a poor premise by which to ground any political ideology or moral philosophy in.


Let me give you a writing tip. When you're in a room full of really really smart people (and also in a room with a bunch of attorneys) don't try to write like you are the smartest guy in the room.

You don't need to use fancy phrases and words to be a good writer. It's usually quite the opposite.
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ducky23 said:



Let me give you a writing tip. When you're in a room full of really really smart people (and also in a room with a bunch of attorneys) don't try to write like you are the smartest guy in the room.

You don't need to use fancy phrases and words to be a good writer. It's usually quite the opposite.

I've said this before but he writes like a college freshman who has just been exposed to new words and concepts and is experimenting but doesn't quite get them yet.

And it seems that being motivated for the good of others and having empathy are such anathemas to him that he just assumes everyone else must be faking.
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blungld said:

And it seems that being motivated for the good of others and having empathy are such anathemas to him that he just assumes everyone else must be faking.
Yes, rational self-interest as a value system, courtesy of Ayn Rand. Clearly we are dealing with a "liberal" voter here.
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ducky23 said:

GBear4Life said:

Ironical that those who find the term to be absurd are the ones who virtue signal almost as a reflex to positions they don't like -- and more importantly don't like to refute outside of specious appeals to "compassion", a well documented poor metric to judge public policy.

We don't do nice things for poor people out of the kindness of our hearts. We do it as a practical response to the Pareto distribution (80% of the wealth will generally be held by 20% of population) to maintain stability both socially and economically for all. We give folks sustenance by giving them a few nickels so that they don't band together and revolt against the system, so they don't rob a liquor store, so that they have some spending money to create additional demand of economic goods, so that they don't all go homeless and start to encroach on the streets and lawns of tax paying, contributing members of society. Those are the reasons why a social safety net is necessary, logical and moral. Not because a bunch of guys with too much privilege and free time needed to both stroke their ego and mitigate their own moral guilt over their lack of moral courage to actually act out their self proclaimed virtue onto the world.

Because there are no parameters of the "compassion" and "equity" doctrines. Feeble minded people who employ the compassion narrative fail to realize that it's an ideology that, by definition, has no bounds. Whatever improvement on compassion it demands, there is an infinite amount of grounds to continue demanding "more" compassion until the end of time, until you're now forced to compassionately give up everything you've got, until you've become a monster. It's an irrational, pathological ideology that is seductive and thus understandable. But it is demonstrably a poor premise by which to ground any political ideology or moral philosophy in.


Let me give you a writing tip. When you're in a room full of really really smart people (and also in a room with a bunch of attorneys) don't try to write like you are the smartest guy in the room.

You don't need to use fancy phrases and words to be a good writer. It's usually quite the opposite.
LMAO what a conceited and delusional and insecure post . "Just so you know we're really smart, and some of us are lawyers. I get the impression you think you're smarter than us. Stop that."

'Smart people say, think and feel dumb shiiiit all the time. This board is proof. Yours or my paper credentials confer no weight to this discussion. Nobody is making a claim about the overall intelligence of anybody here, merely that justifying a political position or policy from a premise of "compassion", which I laid out, is stupid.

And if you think I used "fancy phrases" you're not very smart.
blungld
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GBear4Life said:

And if you think I used "fancy phrases" you're not very smart.
Like almost everything on these boards, you missed the inference. He used it to suggest that your usage is not actually fancy. Like the joke that Trump is the poor person's version of a rich person, your "fancy phrases" are a poor version of eloquence.
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blungld said:

GBear4Life said:

And if you think I used "fancy phrases" you're not very smart.
Like almost everything on these boards, you missed the inference. He used it to suggest that your usage is not actually fancy. Like the joke that Trump is the poor person's version of a rich person, your "fancy phrases" are a poor version of eloquence.
So I'm not using 'fancy phrases' yet I'm criticized for putting other people's intelligence down by my use of non fancy phrases? Awesome!

But you accept that injecting a claim of one's own intelligence to refute or discredit someone is pathetic, conceited and insecure though right?

Your strategy is working. We're getting further away from the issues.
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GBear4Life said:




Nobody is making a claim about the overall intelligence of anybody here, merely that justifying a political position or policy from a premise of "compassion", which I laid out, is stupid.

Categorically removing compassion from justifications of political positions or policies isn't an indication of intelligence. Compassion is one of a great many factors that people can and should account for when making decisions that impact people's lives. But maybe some day I will become a radicalized white winger like you and and change my mind. Crazier things have been known to happen.
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The Bill Barr Cover Up has been upgraded from a sleazy golden shower to a full Republican Snow Job...but the snow still has that yellow-y urine color and taste.
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"Imagine Sen. Mitt Romney, instead of Bill Barr, was attorney general.

This is what Romney's summary of the Mueller report might have said, based on his statement yesterday:

I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President.
I am also appalled that, among other things, fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia including information that had been illegally obtained; that none of them acted to inform American law enforcement; and that the campaign chairman was actively promoting Russian interests in Ukraine.
Reading the report is a sobering revelation of how far we have strayed from the aspirations and principles of the founders." Axios
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Romney sounds like a liberal Cal football fan who also pays some attention to the basketball program. Also, blungld should look into suing Romney for plagiarism.
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I wonder how we might be able to compare the loss of faith in US Govt circa 1974 to 2019.
I do not feel good about America as a city, shining on a hill. We are not a beacon that inspires, but a cesspool of self centered fools. Fools that are also $21T in debt. They didn't have that in 1974, so perhaps we are worse off.
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Joe Biden says Barr is honorable. That should settle it

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Mueller testifying will bring it full circle. I will snicker when the older Republicans that all dodged Vietnam question him. He thinks they are punks and cowards.
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bearister said:

Mueller testifying will bring it full circle. I will snicker when the older Republicans that all dodged Vietnam question him. He thinks they are punks and cowards.
It's...it's...yup, finally...

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James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/opinion/william-barr-testimony.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/opinion/william-barr-testimony.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

"Amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. Sometimes what they reveal is inspiring. For example, James Mattis, the former secretary of defense, resigned over principle, a concept so alien to Mr. Trump that it took days for the president to realize what had happened, before he could start lying about the man.

But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that's at least part of what we've seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis's to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites." James Comey
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Now let's hear the tRumpists chorus scream that Chris Wallace and Judge Napolitano have been compromised by the Deep State.

FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE WARNS OF OWN NETWORK'S BIAS: 'OPINION PEOPLE' ON FOX 'MAY BE PUSHING POLITICAL AGENDA' ON MUELLER LETTER

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fox-news-chris-wallace-warns-own-networks-bias-opinion-people-fox-may-be-1412304%3famp=1


Judge Andrew Napolitano: Can the attorney general defend presidential obstruction?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-can-the-attorney-general-defend-presidential-obstruction.amp
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Just watched the Barr highlights.
What a lying POS scumbag!

The entire GOP should fry.
Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell (who Pelosi referred to as the Grim Reaper this morning!!!) help lead the way.
Sarah Sanders, too.
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concordtom said:

Just watched the Barr highlights.
What a lying POS scumbag!

The entire GOP should fry.
Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell (who Pelosi referred to as the Grim Reaper this morning!!!) help lead the way.
Sarah Sanders, too.


"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." MLK

Enjoy while you can, tRump and enablers.
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Calling all Law and Order conservatives and all "look the other way, sit-on-your hands" conservatives...

What do you do when the chief law enforcement official, the Attorney General of the United States, bails on justice and impedes a congressional investigation hearing?

Do you move to impeach the AG or move to suck down harder on the criminals...then bend over and pull your drawers down for the unprotected ream?

So what is it RWNJs?
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What will happen after trump loses the election and if the dems take over the Senate too? They need to go after Graham and Barr hard for their obvious sucking of the moron's pipe and putting party above country. Potentially can they be disbarred???
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OBear073akaSMFan said:

What will happen after trump loses the election and if the dems take over the Senate too? They need to go after Graham and Barr hard for their obvious sucking of the moron's pipe and putting party above country. Potentially can they be disbarred???
I was only a kid, so don't know, but I recall Ford pardoning Nixon and then saying he wanted to put all the crap the nation just went thru into the past, and move forepward. Is that what actually happened?

I swear to god, right now I am so pissed and in a state of incredulity that I want to go after those sons of *****es for as long as it takes, as long as they are alive.

The arc of justice be long, indeed!

Jared and Jr and invanka are young still. No way should they get away with all the imauluments they are receiving,
Water boarding torture? Sure, what do I care?
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concordtom said:

OBear073akaSMFan said:

What will happen after trump loses the election and if the dems take over the Senate too? They need to go after Graham and Barr hard for their obvious sucking of the moron's pipe and putting party above country. Potentially can they be disbarred???
I was only a kid, so don't know, but I recall Ford pardoning Nixon and then saying he wanted to put all the crap the nation just went thru into the past, and move forepward. Is that what actually happened?
Ted Kennedy was apparently really upset Ford pardoned Nixon, but years later told him that he had done the right thing.
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Which image do you like better?



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Yogi Bear said:

concordtom said:

OBear073akaSMFan said:

What will happen after trump loses the election and if the dems take over the Senate too? They need to go after Graham and Barr hard for their obvious sucking of the moron's pipe and putting party above country. Potentially can they be disbarred???
I was only a kid, so don't know, but I recall Ford pardoning Nixon and then saying he wanted to put all the crap the nation just went thru into the past, and move forepward. Is that what actually happened?
Ted Kennedy was apparently really upset Ford pardoned Nixon, but years later told him that he had done the right thing.
I'd need another person. He was a bit of an idiot.
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I tend to agree that pardoning Nixon was the right thing to...for the country...but it had lasting effects we're still feeling now. I remember when Ford pardoned Nixon, my old man was livid, salty talk pisssed off. Usually it was crumbling and cursing under his breath...but that day he had blood in his eyes. My mom told us to leave the house, go get take out. I think my dad took out the scotch at that point. Letting that kind of anger loose on the whole society, not good.

Still...it was a slap on the wrist.

The thing is...the Trump crap is way worse. We're talking Russkie election interference, his involvement incompetent or not, foreign money buying access, NATIONAL SECURITY issues...and the whole set of swamp characters, straight up criminal with suits and ties. Nixon was a sociopath but compared to Trump, he was a boy scout. Trump is a life long criminal, and he's actively sowing division and HATE.

AFTER the full Mueller report is release, then you can figure out what to do. Saying anything now is premature. We don't know where the bottom of the sh*thole is, or who and what is down there.

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concordtom said:

Yogi Bear said:

concordtom said:

OBear073akaSMFan said:

What will happen after trump loses the election and if the dems take over the Senate too? They need to go after Graham and Barr hard for their obvious sucking of the moron's pipe and putting party above country. Potentially can they be disbarred???
I was only a kid, so don't know, but I recall Ford pardoning Nixon and then saying he wanted to put all the crap the nation just went thru into the past, and move forepward. Is that what actually happened?
Ted Kennedy was apparently really upset Ford pardoned Nixon, but years later told him that he had done the right thing.
I'd need another person. He was a bit of an idiot.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-pardons-nixon
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Trump should be in a specially built prison with no TVs and no mirrors. Anything else would be too kind.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Trump should be in a specially built prison with no TVs and no mirrors. Anything else would be too kind.
And no Twitter access
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Yogi Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Trump should be in a specially built prison with no TVs and no mirrors. Anything else would be too kind.
And no Twitter access


I'd prefer he live tweet his prison stay
 
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