Professor Bearitas said:

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Big C said:

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Professor Bearitas said:

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Big C said:

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If Bernie gets the nomination, he had better effing win the election, or this will go down as one of the biggest political mistakes in American history.

And I'll say right now, if he does get the nomination, I will jump onto his bandwagon so hard, it had better have the beefed-up suspension, because even though I won't vote for him in the California Primary, I will be 100% behind the Democratic nominee from the convention until the election. This, compared to the childishly naive Bernie supporters I've heard over the past few weeks, who remind me of my 7-yr-old daughter yesterday:
Me: You get two cookies.
Her: I want three cookies.
Me: Nope, you get two cookies.
Her: Then I don't want any cookies!
Me: Okay, now you have no cookies.

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Oh literally go **** off with that comparison. You sound like a bitter Bloomberg supporter who just realized the emperor has no clothes.

Sanders at the town hall compared it to the war effort of World War II. We had no war industry when Japan attacked us. In two years, we mobilized the entire country, redid our entire industrial sector, built the necessary equipment, and defeated Nazi-ism in two years. If you make something a priority besides fighting endless wars and financing the engines of destruction (which nobody ever ever EVER asks how we're going to afford), tax the rich so at least they're paying the same percentage or a little higher of their share of the pie as regular Americans, reduce everybody's health care costs, there's no telling what we could accomplish with different national spending priorities.

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Thanks for the suggestion to go **** off, but I believe you missed my point. Who I find childishly naive are the Bernie supporters who won't vote in November if they're guy doesn't get the nomination. Like the world wouldn't be a better place if Gore had officially beaten Bush and if Clinton had officially beaten Trump.

I'm no Bloomberg supporter. I'll probably vote for Warren on March 3rd (probably while smiling at the people on this board who don't like her). In the fall, I'll be all-in for whoever gets the nomination and if Bernie Sanders were to become President, I'd probably smile even more. He may be somewhat further to the left than I am, but hell, maybe that would balance out some of the s*** we will have had in the White House for twelve of the last twenty years.

Speaking of ****ing off, since you brought up the subject, that's what anybody who is eligible to vote in a purple state can do, IMO, if they don't vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

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Who do you think you are to speak on behalf of what you think Bernie supporters will do? Have you met many? Have you ever talked wtih them in person? Or is your whole perception of Bernie supporters tied to Twitter, reddit, and the rest of the Wild West of the internet where people like to be more confrontational because there's no risk in it for them?

I voted for Sanders in 2016. I was thrilled that his voice became part of the national conversation, but I didn't expect him to be in the race for long. I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to see how good of a fight he put up against the corrupt Clinton machine and her fake Democratic values. Now I'm hearing he consider running in 2012 against the milquetoast defender of the investment banker, Obama. Nice man, but sold out trying to prove he could be the great conciliator.

But little as I like Hillary, I loathed the idea that a guy like Donald Trump could ever get nominated. I didn't hesitate to vote for Hillary. Of course in California, my vote didn't matter as much as it did in other states and Hillary has blamed other people for her poor campaigning skills ever since (to this very minute in fact). So don't you presume to go and tell me what Sanders supporters would do. I'm actually in conversation with them daily and know exactly where we stand. And if you're going to misrepresent us as a bunch of spoiled brats, then yeah I'm gonna give you a hearty f*** you. You don't get to pull that and not expect blowback.

As for Warren, I was happy to be the first and loudest voice on this board calling her out for the fraud that she is. She continues to cling to identity politics as she starts accepting super PAC money again now that she's run out of all of her Senate campaign money and continues to imply that Sanders is taking Super PAC money when he's not. I'll always be grateful to her for the public service she did in taking down that fraud Bloomberg, but she compromised whatever values she claims to hold months ago. Like so many others, she wants to be in power more than she wants to have values that she stands behind.

There is no nuclear option for Sanders supporters if someone wins the nomination fair and square. There aren't enough of us to defeat Trump without moderate support. But do us dirty in a back-room deal to nominate Bloomberg as the last guy standing just because he has the money to outlast actual Democrats and you will get four more years of Trump. So for those of you hoping for Bloomberg to save you, don't hold out any hope that he's your white horse savior to take down Trump because it ain't happening. We'll vote for an actual Democrat, but we won't vote for dirty DNC poltics. We'll burn the party down if it decides to be as corrupt as the Republican Party.

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But....But....Bernie's a Commie!

kelly09 said:

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Professor Bearitas said:

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Who do you think you are to speak on behalf of what you think Bernie supporters will do? Have you met many? Have you ever talked wtih them in person? Or is your whole perception of Bernie supporters tied to Twitter, reddit, and the rest of the Wild West of the internet where people like to be more confrontational because there's no risk in it for them?

I voted for Sanders in 2016. I was thrilled that his voice became part of the national conversation, but I didn't expect him to be in the race for long. I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to see how good of a fight he put up against the corrupt Clinton machine and her fake Democratic values. Now I'm hearing he consider running in 2012 against the milquetoast defender of the investment banker, Obama. Nice man, but sold out trying to prove he could be the great conciliator.

But little as I like Hillary, I loathed the idea that a guy like Donald Trump could ever get nominated. I didn't hesitate to vote for Hillary. Of course in California, my vote didn't matter as much as it did in other states and Hillary has blamed other people for her poor campaigning skills ever since (to this very minute in fact). So don't you presume to go and tell me what Sanders supporters would do. I'm actually in conversation with them daily and know exactly where we stand. And if you're going to misrepresent us as a bunch of spoiled brats, then yeah I'm gonna give you a hearty f*** you. You don't get to pull that and not expect blowback.

As for Warren, I was happy to be the first and loudest voice on this board calling her out for the fraud that she is. She continues to cling to identity politics as she starts accepting super PAC money again now that she's run out of all of her Senate campaign money and continues to imply that Sanders is taking Super PAC money when he's not. I'll always be grateful to her for the public service she did in taking down that fraud Bloomberg, but she compromised whatever values she claims to hold months ago. Like so many others, she wants to be in power more than she wants to have values that she stands behind.

There is no nuclear option for Sanders supporters if someone wins the nomination fair and square. There aren't enough of us to defeat Trump without moderate support. But do us dirty in a back-room deal to nominate Bloomberg as the last guy standing just because he has the money to outlast actual Democrats and you will get four more years of Trump. So for those of you hoping for Bloomberg to save you, don't hold out any hope that he's your white horse savior to take down Trump because it ain't happening. We'll vote for an actual Democrat, but we won't vote for dirty DNC poltics. We'll burn the party down if it decides to be as corrupt as the Republican Party.

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But....But....Bernie's a Commie!

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You know why we Sanders supporters are so big on education? So we can have teachers teach your children the difference between social democracy and communism so they don't grow up to be as ignorant as people like you.

okaydo said:

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Wow, this was on I-80

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Shows how out of touch Bloomberg is with the electorate. Maybe he should try meeting with some of it.

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" MEMORANDUM

TO: Vice President Biden; Mayor Bloomberg; Mayor Buttigieg; Senator Klobuchar; and Senator Warren

FR: Jon Cowan and Matt Bennett [two of the co-founders of Third Way, the think tank]

RE: Stand up to Bernie or You and We All Lose

At the Las Vegas debate, each of you took aim at one another, often to withering effect. But with few exceptions, you declined to really challenge Senator Sanders. If you repeat this strategy at the South Carolina debate this week, you could hand the nomination to Sanders, likely dooming the Democratic Party and the nation to Trump and sweeping down-ballot Republican victories in November. ...
We have seen this movie before. While there is no moral equivalence between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders (none whatsoever), there is similarity between this moment and the 2016 Republican race. When Chris Christie took on Marco Rubio in their debate, it mortally wounded both candidacies and gave Trump a clear path to the nomination." Axios

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bearister said:

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" MEMORANDUM

TO: Vice President Biden; Mayor Bloomberg; Mayor Buttigieg; Senator Klobuchar; and Senator Warren

FR: Jon Cowan and Matt Bennett [two of the co-founders of Third Way, the think tank]

RE: Stand up to Bernie or You and We All Lose

At the Las Vegas debate, each of you took aim at one another, often to withering effect. But with few exceptions, you declined to really challenge Senator Sanders. If you repeat this strategy at the South Carolina debate this week, you could hand the nomination to Sanders, likely dooming the Democratic Party and the nation to Trump and sweeping down-ballot Republican victories in November. ...
We have seen this movie before. While there is no moral equivalence between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders (none whatsoever), there is similarity between this moment and the 2016 Republican race. When Chris Christie took on Marco Rubio in their debate, it mortally wounded both candidacies and gave Trump a clear path to the nomination." Axios

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The entire memo: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/stand-up-to-bernie-or-you-and-we-all-lose

God forbid that the election goes the same way it did for Bernie as it did for The Donald and Bernie actually wins.

These Third Way guys are actually moderate Republicans:

From Wikipedia:

The majority of the think tank's funding comes from individuals with close ties to the banking industry and its board of trustees consists mostly of investment bankers. Political commentator and Bernie Sanders campaign official David Sirota suggested that the think tank's initiatives to combat Social Security expansion despite popular sentiment is because it would cause trustees of the think tank to pay higher taxes.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_States)#cite_note-29][29][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_States)#cite_note-30][30][/url] Hunter of Daily Kos has suggested Third Way's ties to the banking industry is the reason for its opposition to Senator Elizabeth Warren's platform of Wall Street reform.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_States)#cite_note-31][31][/url] Investigative journalist Lee Fang of The Nation alleges the think tank's ties to the Democratic Party are "tenuous" and that it exists to serve as a vehicle for corporate and right-wing interests to shape the economic policies of the party.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_States)#cite_note-32][32][/url]Writing in The Intercept, Akela Lacy describes Third Way as a "center-left, corporate and GOP donor-funded nonprofit" which advocates for neoliberal policies and is staunchly opposed to Medicare For All.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_States)#cite_note-33][33][/url]

We could have back-to-back presidents that are hated by their own party. I expect this could be a trend going forward...until the parties get in line with the people. Will be interesting to see how Congress responds.

b'ster, good Prospect story, great street, denizen, now where is that Big 'C', anyways, . . . newman hall even

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