https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-black-people.html

Thanks
I use diet as a way I can control health outcomes without being dependent on the health care system.
It works very well.
I have healed myself from many moderate conditions.
Furthermore, I attended a clinic called True North in Santa Rosa.
They have a very serious and consistent ability to bring down blood pressure through a combination of a plant base, SOS (no salt, oil or sugar) diet with fasting. They have also been able to get folks off diabetic medication and there are many other amazing stories of healing and remission that have occurred there simply from rest, diet and fasting.

While folks have to "shelter in place", I highly recommend that folks use these methods to reduce their susceptibility to the disease.

I am also aware that the virus has spiky probes that try to find weak spots or "receptors" on human cells that the virus can attach to. One of the primary ways that cells become weakened is through toxicity and/or acidity. Acids are corrosive in nature and the body develops plaques to protect the organs and membranes from these acids.

Whether it be acids that weaken cells or plaques that provide a receptor for the virus, a standard American diet which is high in acids is not recommended right now. Very few foods are purely alkaline. But you are more likely to get a high alkaline diet by eating melons and other raw fruits and vegetables. There are charts on the web that will show the breakdown in PH.

It is also a bit confusing though because the PH of the food is different than the PH of the "ash" left in the digestive tract after the food is digested. Still, raw fruits and vegetables are the best medicine to fight this disease because they are also high in the vitamins and elements that can build the immune system.

Melons can be hard to find this time of year and they can be expensive. But watermelon should be easy to find in those southern states as it is a staple there. I would recommend more watermelon and less BBQ chicken, corn and baked goods that are also popular in the south. In fact a standard southern diet may be even worse than a standard American diet because it usually has less fresh vegetables etc.

No I am not a doctor but my partner is a nutritionist. If you want to hear this from someone more credible, look up Dr. Robert Morse on youtube or contact Dr. Alan Goldhamer at True North in Santa Rosa.

Point is that folks can chose to take power in this situation, if they want to.

"Point is that folks can chose to take power in this situation, if they want to."

That is 100% true but it becomes harder to apply for people that are poor and the food that's bad for you is cheap and you don't have knowledge about nutrition so that you opt for affordable healthier foods.

" Why it matters: The virus itself doesn't discriminate. But it's beginning to reflect the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it's spreading and the health care system that's struggling to contain it.

The big picture: There's no nationwide data on the demographics of coronavirus cases or deaths. But preliminary data from several large metro areas seem pretty clear.

Black residents make up about 33% of Mecklenburg County, N.C., which includes Charlotte, but account for roughly 44% of its coronavirus cases, according to The Charlotte Observer.
Milwaukee County, Wis., is 26% black yet African Americans account for almost half of the coronavirus cases and 80% of the deaths, according to ProPublica.
The hardest-hit neighborhoods in New York City have large immigrant populations, per the Wall Street Journal.
Statewide data from Michigan show that African Americans make up a plurality of both cases (35%) and deaths (40%), but just 14% of the state's population.
This apparent inequity in coronavirus cases reflects a slew of other, pre-existing disparities.

African Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas which tend to have larger nonwhite populations have less access to health care services.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus' spread." Axios

Credibility?

So are discounting the premise of op ed? That the racial disparity will and is playing a roll in who lives and dies from this pandemic?

Choice varies from person to person from geographic location to geographic location /educational level and opportunities play and enormously big role as well as others key pieces of the puzzle The desire to live/level of hope or better yet hopelessness needs to factored in.

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"Point is that folks can chose to take power in this situation, if they want to."

That is 100% true but it becomes harder to apply for people that are poor and the food that's bad for you is cheap and you don't have knowledge about nutrition so that you opt for affordable healthier foods.

" Why it matters: The virus itself doesn't discriminate. But it's beginning to reflect the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it's spreading and the health care system that's struggling to contain it.

The big picture: There's no nationwide data on the demographics of coronavirus cases or deaths. But preliminary data from several large metro areas seem pretty clear.

Black residents make up about 33% of Mecklenburg County, N.C., which includes Charlotte, but account for roughly 44% of its coronavirus cases, according to The Charlotte Observer.
Milwaukee County, Wis., is 26% black yet African Americans account for almost half of the coronavirus cases and 80% of the deaths, according to ProPublica.
The hardest-hit neighborhoods in New York City have large immigrant populations, per the Wall Street Journal.
Statewide data from Michigan show that African Americans make up a plurality of both cases (35%) and deaths (40%), but just 14% of the state's population.
This apparent inequity in coronavirus cases reflects a slew of other, pre-existing disparities.

African Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas which tend to have larger nonwhite populations have less access to health care services.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus' spread." Axios

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The "poor people can only afford to eat ulnhealthy food" is a relatively unchallenged myth that we acquiesce but is complete nonsense and the bigotry of low expectations.

Let's face it, the poor aren't educated on nutrition, and to the extent that they are, they and also affluent people just want to eat what they eat.

For instance, last night I had marinated salmon from Costco, mixed vegetables and quinoa. Came out to less than $5/plate. You can't get a McDonald's Big Mac meal for $5.

Well, maybe there will be a teachable moment from this pandemic regarding affordable nutrition if someone is brave enough to talk about it.

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Credibility?

So are discounting the premise of op ed? That the racial disparity will and is playing a roll in who lives and dies from this pandemic?

Choice varies from person to person from geographic location to geographic location /educational level and opportunities play and enormously big role as well as others key pieces of the puzzle The desire to live/level of hope or better yet hopelessness needs to factored in.

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I just provided free education. You can pass it on or not. If folks can get on facebook or other social media for free then education is free and equally available to everyone. Most poor and disenfranchised folks have access to internet and cell phones. And so they have access to social media.

FYI, I did not discount the OP. I was trying to respond and help because I agree with it. I am continually disgusted with the race disparities in this country and will always fight to expose racial injustice no matter how implicit.

Health care is one of many structurally racist systems in this country, which is why I remain confused that African Americans in the south prefer Joe Biden, who is a worse candidate than Bernie Sanders when it comes to economic and social justice issues.

It's interesting that you responded to me by re-enforcing the problem rather than embracing the solution.
In 4-7 days of fasting, you can drastically bring down blood pressure without endangering your health. However, you should rest while doing so, which is why now is a good time to do it.

When lives are at stake every moment, I try to focus on immediate and easy solutions that folks can do at home. We are not going to be able to solve the problem of racism or the health care system in the next few months, let alone the next few weeks.

There will be plenty of time to vote someone into office later, who can address those issues. Again, that will be a choice folks will have to make.

GBear4Life said:

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bearister said:

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"Point is that folks can chose to take power in this situation, if they want to."

That is 100% true but it becomes harder to apply for people that are poor and the food that's bad for you is cheap and you don't have knowledge about nutrition so that you opt for affordable healthier foods.

" Why it matters: The virus itself doesn't discriminate. But it's beginning to reflect the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it's spreading and the health care system that's struggling to contain it.

The big picture: There's no nationwide data on the demographics of coronavirus cases or deaths. But preliminary data from several large metro areas seem pretty clear.

Black residents make up about 33% of Mecklenburg County, N.C., which includes Charlotte, but account for roughly 44% of its coronavirus cases, according to The Charlotte Observer.
Milwaukee County, Wis., is 26% black yet African Americans account for almost half of the coronavirus cases and 80% of the deaths, according to ProPublica.
The hardest-hit neighborhoods in New York City have large immigrant populations, per the Wall Street Journal.
Statewide data from Michigan show that African Americans make up a plurality of both cases (35%) and deaths (40%), but just 14% of the state's population.
This apparent inequity in coronavirus cases reflects a slew of other, pre-existing disparities.

African Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas which tend to have larger nonwhite populations have less access to health care services.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus' spread." Axios

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The "poor people can only afford to eat ulnhealthy food" is a relatively unchallenged myth that we acquiesce but is complete nonsense and the bigotry of low expectations.

Let's face it, the poor aren't educated on nutrition, and to the extent that they are, they and also affluent people just want to eat what they eat.

For instance, last night I had marinated salmon from Costco, mixed vegetables and quinoa. Came out to less than $5/plate. You can't get a McDonald's Big Mac meal for $5.

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LMAO@ artisan grains from "**** foreign countries."

bearister said:

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"Point is that folks can chose to take power in this situation, if they want to."

That is 100% true but it becomes harder to apply for people that are poor and the food that's bad for you is cheap and you don't have knowledge about nutrition so that you opt for affordable healthier foods.

" Why it matters: The virus itself doesn't discriminate. But it's beginning to reflect the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it's spreading and the health care system that's struggling to contain it.

The big picture: There's no nationwide data on the demographics of coronavirus cases or deaths. But preliminary data from several large metro areas seem pretty clear.

Black residents make up about 33% of Mecklenburg County, N.C., which includes Charlotte, but account for roughly 44% of its coronavirus cases, according to The Charlotte Observer.
Milwaukee County, Wis., is 26% black yet African Americans account for almost half of the coronavirus cases and 80% of the deaths, according to ProPublica.
The hardest-hit neighborhoods in New York City have large immigrant populations, per the Wall Street Journal.
Statewide data from Michigan show that African Americans make up a plurality of both cases (35%) and deaths (40%), but just 14% of the state's population.
This apparent inequity in coronavirus cases reflects a slew of other, pre-existing disparities.

African Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas which tend to have larger nonwhite populations have less access to health care services.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus' spread." Axios

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Question: Do African American's have a higher rate of coronavirus infection and death compared to other populations that show a similar incidence of underlying conditions?
For example, you say African Americans are more likely to have diabetes etc. Do African Americans with diabetes have a higher rate of coronavirus infection and greater risk of dying from it than other folks with diabetes etc?
Also, its interesting that you link underlying conditions with poverty. I agree that poverty is linked to less access to health care services. But health care services are much more critical once you are sick. Lack of health care services don't make you sick. I do agree that, in places like Michigan, poverty and being African American is a health risk because that state had a racist practice of ignoring water quality in poor areas.

However, it is also true that poor Asians in Asia were much healthier and had less incidence of diabetes etc. than their wealthier 1st and 2nd generation Asian-American offspring, who then started eating more of an American diet. In fact there is a world wide pattern where populations start getting sicker once they are able to access more of an American style of eating, unless of course they were starving prior to that. So, many of these types of underlying conditions are as often an indication of wealth as they are of race.

But, again, why focus on these more systemic and hard to solve issues of racism right now when folks are dying and when each individual can empower themselves right now to arm themselves against the pandemic without any health care at all and regardless of race?

Racism in America is an obvious and gross problem that is pretty well documented and understood unless you watch Fox News and believe what they tell you. Some candidates running for office are now seriously talking about reparations as well as stimulating real economic opportunities to communities of color. I hope we all support those things and those candidates. But those things will happen over the long term. Changes in our health care system also will only happen over the long term.

Social distancing and working is for people who can telecommute. Many black and brown people don't have that luxury and work at elderly care, house cleaners, gardeners food service, janitorial, construction, warehouses,etc. Their pre- dispositions- obesity, hypertension- may make them sicker- like white males- but diet has nothing to do with this. Being in a more at risk population does.

If diet has nothing to do with it, why do so many of the fatalities and people in the hospitals look 40+ pounds overweight? That is a touchy subject they are never going to highlight. Maybe the average American is 40 pounds overweight. When my kids were young and we would go to Disneyland the poundage I observed there just sitting on benches people watching was depressing.


*Well, just found my answer on Bloomberg.com: The avg. American male is 5'9 198 and the avg. female 5'4 171 pounds. HOLY F@UCK!

Getting back on topic

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid19-coronavirus-pandemic-low-income-people-new-york-city-976670/?fbclid=IwAR32esTD4GsE7kXbhJ3iIFs6BxOgk1mg1E_Ud9aXf8gSRgPoDpTagcgWVQA

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Social distancing and working is for people who can telecommute. Many black and brown people don't have that luxury and work at elderly care, house cleaners, gardeners food service, janitorial, construction, warehouses,etc. Their pre- dispositions- obesity, hypertension- may make them sicker- like white males- but diet has nothing to do with this. Being in a more at risk population does.

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Diet has nothing to do with this?
Oh really?
What causes infection?
It isn't exposure. It is cells that are weakened.
What causes weak cells?

I suggest you and everyone else that thinks you have to be well off to be healthy watch this video Dr. Robert Morse on the Coronavirus and human chemistry

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What is your solution?
Or are you just interested in the problem?

Not sure what the point or implication of the OP is

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Well, maybe there will be a teachable moment from this pandemic regarding affordable nutrition if someone is brave enough to talk about it.

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The vast majority of Americans eat too much. Want a more affordable diet, just eat less of whatever you're eating. The rising tide of wealth has affected everyone and you can see that in typical Americans' excess blubber. Take a look at a movie or TV show from as late as the '80s and you'll be astounded at how trim everyone looks, yes, even minorities. Bad, fattening food, was just as commonplace back then as it is now. People just have more discretionary money to spend on recreational eating than they did back then. Like with so many other things, it comes down to making smart personal choices. Apples are dirt cheap.

" In Louisiana, one of the states most devastated by the coronavirus, about 70 percent of the people who have died are African-American, officials announced on Monday, though only a third of the state's population is black.

In the county around Milwaukee, where 27 percent of residents are black, nearly twice as many African-American residents tested positive for the virus as white people, figures released this week show.

And in Chicago, where African-American residents make up a little less than a third of the population, more than half of those found to have the virus are black. The death toll there is even more alarming: African-American residents make up 72 percent of those who have succumbed to the virus in Chicago." NY Times

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Well, maybe there will be a teachable moment from this pandemic regarding affordable nutrition if someone is brave enough to talk about it.

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The vast majority of Americans eat too much. Want a more affordable diet, just eat less of whatever you're eating. The rising tide of wealth has affected everyone and you can see that in typical Americans' excess blubber. Take a look at a movie or TV show from as late as the '80s and you'll be astounded at how trim everyone looks, yes, even minorities. Bad, fattening food, was just as commonplace back then as it is now. People just have more discretionary money to spend on recreational eating than they did back then. Like with so many other things, it comes down to making smart personal choices. Apples are dirt cheap.

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Apples are high in fructose! lol

We've subsidized commodity crops. Over consumption of complex carbohydrates like grains and sugar. What we throw away everyday could feed the world. Go to any grocery store's backroom and you'll see the quantities of edible food they throw away. The average household throws away considerable $ in food products. Developing food habits is like anything -- takes a little bit of knowledge, discipline, a clear goal in mind, and time. It does NOT require any level of affluence.

GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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Well, maybe there will be a teachable moment from this pandemic regarding affordable nutrition if someone is brave enough to talk about it.

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The vast majority of Americans eat too much. Want a more affordable diet, just eat less of whatever you're eating. The rising tide of wealth has affected everyone and you can see that in typical Americans' excess blubber. Take a look at a movie or TV show from as late as the '80s and you'll be astounded at how trim everyone looks, yes, even minorities. Bad, fattening food, was just as commonplace back then as it is now. People just have more discretionary money to spend on recreational eating than they did back then. Like with so many other things, it comes down to making smart personal choices. Apples are dirt cheap.

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Apples are high in fructose! lol

We've subsidized commodity crops. Over consumption of complex carbohydrates like grains and sugar. What we throw away everyday could feed the world. Go to any grocery store's backroom and you'll see the quantities of edible food they throw away. The average household throws away considerable $ in food products. Developing food habits is like anything -- takes a little bit of knowledge, discipline, a clear goal in mind, and time. It does NOT require any level of affluence.

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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No, I'm basically agreeing with you. We over-produce goods and we over-consume goods, leading to waste. Food is so abundant today, which is a double edged sword.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/05/opinion/why-i-dont-feel-safe-wearing-face-mask/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I wonder when this thread will actually have a point

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/05/opinion/why-i-dont-feel-safe-wearing-face-mask/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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An example how different and irrational behaviors lead to different outcomes?

GBear4Life said:

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I wonder when this thread will actually have a point

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I often wonder the same thing about you

Professor Henry Higgins said:

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GBear4Life said:

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I wonder when this thread will actually have a point

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I often wonder the same thing about you

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That post took a lot of COURAGE by you lmao

GBear4Life said:

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GBear4Life said:

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I wonder when this thread will actually have a point

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I often wonder the same thing about you

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That post took a lot of COURAGE by you lmao

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Not as much as it took for your mother not to demand a refund from the Labor and Delivery wing of the hospital you were born in. I'd have invoked the Lemon Law.

Professor Henry Higgins said:

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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That post took a lot of COURAGE by you lmao

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Not as much as it took for your mother not to demand a refund from the Labor and Delivery wing of the hospital you were born in. I'd have invoked the Lemon Law.

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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No, I'm basically agreeing with you. We over-produce goods and we over-consume goods, leading to waste. Food is so abundant today, which is a double edged sword.

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Yes, abundant and cheap relative to earnings. When I was growing up in the 70s, it was considered selfish and inconsiderate to waste food. The older generation didn't take it for granted that there'd be food on the table tomorrow. You were encouraged to "clean your plate." What's interesting is that back then there was just as much low quality and fattening food around as we have today, but without today's education on healthy eating. Even so, we are an obese nation now and much trimmer back then. It's a side-affect of our wealthier society.

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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No, I'm basically agreeing with you. We over-produce goods and we over-consume goods, leading to waste. Food is so abundant today, which is a double edged sword.

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Yes, abundant and cheap relative to earnings. When I was growing up in the 70s, it was considered selfish and inconsiderate to waste food. The older generation didn't take it for granted that there'd be food on the table tomorrow. You were encouraged to "clean your plate." What's interesting is that back then there was just as much low quality and fattening food around as we have today, but without today's education on healthy eating. Even so, we are an obese nation now and much trimmer back then. It's a side-affect of our wealthier society.

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I wonder if people were more active day-to-day than now, given there wasn't any technology and screens to keep you inactive.

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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No, I'm basically agreeing with you. We over-produce goods and we over-consume goods, leading to waste. Food is so abundant today, which is a double edged sword.

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Yes, abundant and cheap relative to earnings. When I was growing up in the 70s, it was considered selfish and inconsiderate to waste food. The older generation didn't take it for granted that there'd be food on the table tomorrow. You were encouraged to "clean your plate." What's interesting is that back then there was just as much low quality and fattening food around as we have today, but without today's education on healthy eating. Even so, we are an obese nation now and much trimmer back then. It's a side-affect of our wealthier society.

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I wonder if people were more active day-to-day than now, given there wasn't any technology and screens to keep you inactive.

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Technology certainly has a part to play, especially for kids. Europeans tend to walk more and may explain why they seem to be more trim than Americans, but certainly people didn't engage in as much rigorous exercise when I was a kid. You didn't see many people jogging or biking, and there was no such thing as a health club or even a treadmill. I think it all comes down to the recreational eating--and the lack of stigma attached to it--that we do today.

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Then why are people so much larger than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? Are you saying people were more knowledgeable and disciplined back then?

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No, I'm basically agreeing with you. We over-produce goods and we over-consume goods, leading to waste. Food is so abundant today, which is a double edged sword.

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Yes, abundant and cheap relative to earnings. When I was growing up in the 70s, it was considered selfish and inconsiderate to waste food. The older generation didn't take it for granted that there'd be food on the table tomorrow. You were encouraged to "clean your plate." What's interesting is that back then there was just as much low quality and fattening food around as we have today, but without today's education on healthy eating. Even so, we are an obese nation now and much trimmer back then. It's a side-affect of our wealthier society.

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I wonder if people were more active day-to-day than now, given there wasn't any technology and screens to keep you inactive.

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Technology certainly has a part to play, especially for kids. Europeans tend to walk more and may explain why they seem to be more trim than Americans, but certainly people didn't engage in as much rigorous exercise when I was a kid. You didn't see many people jogging or biking, and there was no such thing as a health club or even a treadmill. I think it all comes down to the recreational eating--and the lack of stigma attached to it--that we do today.

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Right, there's more intensely fit people today as a % of total population, but the obesity has increased, which I presume is in part due to just daily lifestyle -- more walking, less eating

I think a lot of it has to do with portions at restaurants and the tendency to eat out more often.

When eating out in this day and age the portions are enormous. Either you eat it all or feel guilty about wasting food. At most chain-style restaurants I would be perfectly fine having a half portion compared to what they serve as an entree.

I am going to use Chili's as an example. I rarely eat there, but looking at their menu I see they have lunch specials like a chipotle chicken fresh mex bowl. That sound pretty healthy, right: a chicken bowl? I don't know what is in it but it is 1030 calories, 51 grams of fat, and 2550 mg of sodium. The bacon avocado chicken sandwich sounds like a decent choice. I mean, it has bacon but a slice of bacon won't kill you once in a while. It has 1170 calories, 61 g of fat, and 2390 mg of sodium.

We can blame ourselves for making bad choices for eating at Chili's for lunch instead of bringing a tuna sandwich to work but I think the restaurants are partially to blame, too. They are offering more healthy choices than they used to, but reducing the portions would help a lot. As was stated, people have a tendency to try to not waste food. I think casual dining restaurants serve giant portions because they want you to feel you got your money's worth but this is not the 70s anymore. In the 70s we went out to Sizzler, Bob's Big Boy, Marie Callendar's and restaurants like that MAYBE once per month so it didn't really matter that much that we splurged while we were there.

Our busy lives make it more difficult to cook at home. I know some people who almost NEVER eat at home unless it is something that comes out of a microwave. Witness the explosion of companies like DoorDash and GrubHub. You can't eat fast casual food all the time and not get fat unless you have a terrific metabolism or work out like a fiend.

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Not sure what the point or implication of the OP is

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Either they're saying the Coronavirus is racist or as I heard on NPR yesterday morning, Blacks do not have access to healthcare in the same way whites do due to "systematic racism".

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GBear4Life said:

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Not sure what the point or implication of the OP is

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Either they're saying the Coronavirus is racist or as I heard on NPR yesterday morning, Blacks do not have access to healthcare in the same way whites do due to "systematic racism".

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Maybe just playing a violin but only for a certain group?