Well, we all know that tRump is a super genius and his genius Uncle went to MIT. Doctors kept asking him how he knew so much about all of that virus stuff. And that he could have been a research scientist if he hadn't become president. So you can't blame some of the stupid ****s fine posters on here for believing what he has to say. Cut them a little slack, will you?

If the death and symptomatic rates are that of a common flu (if such statistics are ever even knowable), and thus the only difference in COVID is among a small but considerable minority, its severity in select people put stress on healthcare resources (ICU visits) in ways the common flu does not, is SIP worth it? Is shutting down the economy worth it?

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If the death and symptomatic rates are that of a common flu (if such statistics are ever even knowable), and thus the only difference in COVID is among a small but considerable minority, its severity in select people put stress on healthcare resources (ICU visits) in ways the common flu does not, is SIP worth it? Is shutting down the economy worth it?

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Your first few premises are wrong, so your later questions are moot.

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If the death and symptomatic rates are that of a common flu (if such statistics are ever even knowable), and thus the only difference in COVID is among a small but considerable minority, its severity in select people put stress on healthcare resources (ICU visits) in ways the common flu does not, is SIP worth it? Is shutting down the economy worth it?

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Your first few premises are wrong, so your later questions are moot.

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We don't know what the actual rates are because we cannot know who has had it that doesn't walk into a hospital or get tested.

I can see that you're heavily invested in the narrative and thus unprecedented social and economic upheaval

Here's an alternate look at COVID treatment: according to a whistleblower, the Trump administration politicized BARDA in order to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections, rather than following science.

Conservative BIs, please help me understand why this is good for America and our public health.

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"Yesterday, I was removed from my positions as the Director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) and HHS Deputy Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response by the Administration and involuntarily transferred to a more limited and less impactful position at the National Institutes of Health. I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the COVID-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit. I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science -- not politics or cronyism -- has to lead the way.
"I have spent my entire career in vaccine development, in the government with CDC and BARDA and also in the biotechnology industry. My professional background has prepared me for a moment like this -- to confront and defeat a deadly virus that threatens Americans and people around the globe. To this point, I have led the government's efforts to invest in the best science available to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, this resulted in clashes with HHS political leadership, including criticism for my proactive efforts to invest early in vaccines and supplies critical to saving American lives. I also resisted efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections.

"Specifically, and contrary to misguided directives, I limited the broad use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, promoted by the Administration as a panacea, but which clearly lack scientific merit. While I am prepared to look at all options and to think "outside the box" for effective treatments, I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug on demand to the American public. I insisted that these drugs be provided only to hospitalized patients with confirmed COVID-19 while under the supervision of a physician. These drugs have potentially serious risks associated with them, including increased mortality observed in some recent studies in patients with COVID-19.

"Sidelining me in the middle of this pandemic and placing politics and cronyism ahead of science puts lives at risk and stunts national efforts to safely and effectively address this urgent public health crisis.

"I will request that the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services investigate the manner in which this Administration has politicized the work of BARDA and has pressured me and other conscientious scientists to fund companies with political connections as well as efforts that lack scientific merit. Rushing blindly towards unproven drugs can be disastrous and result in countless more deaths. Science, in service to the health and safety of the American people, must always trump politics.

"I am very grateful for the bipartisan support from Congress and their confidence in my leadership of BARDA as reflected in the generous appropriation to BARDA in the CARES 3 Act. It is my sincere hope that the dedicated professionals at BARDA and throughout HHS will be allowed to use the best scientific acumen and integrity to continue their efforts to stop the pandemic without political pressure or distractions. Americans deserve no less."

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If the death and symptomatic rates are that of a common flu (if such statistics are ever even knowable), and thus the only difference in COVID is among a small but considerable minority, its severity in select people put stress on healthcare resources (ICU visits) in ways the common flu does not, is SIP worth it? Is shutting down the economy worth it?

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Your first few premises are wrong, so your later questions are moot.

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We don't know what the actual rates are because we cannot know who has had it that doesn't walk into a hospital or get tested.

I can see that you're heavily invested in the narrative and thus unprecedented social and economic upheaval

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How about if you and all the people who think in these terms go out and "reopen" the economy after signing releases that you will seek no medical treatment and therefore not cause additional taxing of the medical facilities or economy if you contract COVID?

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If the death and symptomatic rates are that of a common flu (if such statistics are ever even knowable), and thus the only difference in COVID is among a small but considerable minority, its severity in select people put stress on healthcare resources (ICU visits) in ways the common flu does not, is SIP worth it? Is shutting down the economy worth it?

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Your first few premises are wrong, so your later questions are moot.

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We don't know what the actual rates are because we cannot know who has had it that doesn't walk into a hospital or get tested.

I can see that you're heavily invested in the narrative and thus unprecedented social and economic upheaval

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How about if you and all the people who think in these terms go out and "reopen" the economy after signing releases that you will seek no medical treatment and therefore not cause additional taxing of the medical facilities or economy if you contract COVID?

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Ideologues, you need not be triggered. You are so defensive about your own misguided certainties that you conflate inquiry with antagonism

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Here's an alternate look at COVID treatment: according to a whistleblower, the Trump administration politicized BARDA in order to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections, rather than following science.

Conservative BIs, please help me understand why this is good for America and our public health.

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Most of what drives Republican health policy is how they can turn it into a profit center for themselves or their benefactors.

Dr tRump Recommends a sure cure to his followers

[url=https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-showcases-idea-heat-humidity-could-help-15222615.php][/url]

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How about if you and all the people who think in these terms go out and "reopen" the economy after signing releases that you will seek no medical treatment and therefore not cause additional taxing of the medical facilities or economy if you contract COVID?

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Ideologues, you need not be triggered. You are so defensive about your own misguided certainties that you conflate inquiry with antagonism

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Thanks for explaining myself to me and with such good insight. I'll start working on my triggers and conflations.

Oh, and you're a D I C K.

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How about if you and all the people who think in these terms go out and "reopen" the economy after signing releases that you will seek no medical treatment and therefore not cause additional taxing of the medical facilities or economy if you contract COVID?

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Ideologues, you need not be triggered. You are so defensive about your own misguided certainties that you conflate inquiry with antagonism

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Thanks for explaining myself to me and with such good insight. I'll start working on my triggers and conflations.

Oh, and you're a D I C K.

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There are a number of promising therapies including Remdesivir, HCQ and more. When Trump first started talking about HCQ, it was already being studied (in approximately 10% of all COVID related studies in the US) and that has jumped to approximately 35% of studies now. Resources that could have been used to explore other therapies are being redirected to HCQ. We also have the problem of people not wanting to participate in HCQ trials (where they could end up in the control group) because people are prescribing HCQ so frequently off label that patients are choosing that route.

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So it's now been a few weeks and more information has come out since my initial response to this thread. It appears bearlyamazing has abandoned this thread for reasons that we could only speculate on.

As shown above, I initially mentioned that one of the issues with Trump pushing HCQ is that it was having a negative impact on drug trials. What we've learned since is that not only were many patients unwilling to sign up for HCQ trials, but many were unwilling to sign up for other trials, which has made it harder to determine whether therapeutics like Remdesivir could be helpful to COVID patients.

Would be curious as to what others are seeing out there.

This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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Well, we all know that tRump is a super genius and his genius Uncle went to MIT. Doctors kept asking him how he knew so much about all of that virus stuff. And that he could have been a research scientist if he hadn't become president. So you can't blame some of the stupid ****s fine posters on here for believing what he has to say. Cut them a little slack, will you?

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finally noticed, more than a week late, GoOskie's candid scribbling above won BearInsider's official Post Of The Day, congrats GO. highlit by a undersized blue boxed POTD icon, sort of hidden away / out of sight in handle profiles?

https://bearinsider.com/account/profile/4928

can't remember hearing about the category before, wondering who else might already be a winner.

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Well, we all know that tRump is a super genius and his genius Uncle went to MIT. Doctors kept asking him how he knew so much about all of that virus stuff. And that he could have been a research scientist if he hadn't become president. So you can't blame some of the stupid ****s fine posters on here for believing what he has to say. Cut them a little slack, will you?

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finally noticed, more than a week late, GoOskie's candid scribbling above won BearInsider's official Post Of The Day, congrats GO. highlit by a undersized blue boxed POTD icon, sort of hidden away / out of sight in handle profiles?

https://bearinsider.com/account/profile/4928

can't remember hearing about the category before, wondering who else might already be a winner.

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I haven't paid too much attention to the POTD icon, but I remembered seeing one in my profile. I went through my old posts and was shocked to see that I'd won it 5 times going back to March 2018. That's nice but I thought only a couple were at all memorable. The last one in February got a bunch of stars but I had to partially apologize about what I said a few weeks later.

I see I have an All Star icon on my profile. I wonder what that means. It sounds good though.

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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You're a real funny guy. And you can keep on waiting for me to jump through your little hoops.

It's in the political interests of a lot of people for this pandemic and the economic devastation that's occurring to not go away till after the election and you know it. And you also know that no one's advocating the types of doses of HQL that induces vision issues. Lower doses are extremely safe and have been considered so for well over 50 years.

Regardless, I started this thread because I found it interesting that ventilators are actually showing to be more harmful than good in a lot of cases and that getting the lungs oxygen in a way that doesn't compromise and traumatize them is preferable in all but the most dire circumstances where using a ventilator can't be avoided.

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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You're a real funny guy. And you can keep on waiting for me to jump through your little hoops.

It's in the political interests of a lot of people for this pandemic and the economic devastation that's occurring to not go away till after the election and you know it. And you also know that no one's advocating the types of doses of HQL that induces vision issues. Lower doses are extremely safe and have been considered so for well over 50 years.

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Very funny. It's not the HCQ that is impairing my vision, it's more likely the bleach I ingested on the basis of the recommendation of the president.

It's not in anyone's political interest for the pandemic to cause economic devastation. That's why democrats wanted Trump to do something about it early on in order to prevent said devastation. Perhaps if you were on the other side you would argue Trump's decision to ignore a pandemic was based on his desire to cause devastation but I think the answer is more clearly that he is an idiot and that republicans are complicit.

The economic devastation is a direct result of the spread of the pandemic, not the lockdowns which are an attempt to reduce the spread. This is becoming obvious in Sweden and will become more apparent as states early exit from lockdown and continue to see dramatically reduced economic activity because people don't want to expose themselves to COVID.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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You're a real funny guy. And you can keep on waiting for me to jump through your little hoops.

It's in the political interests of a lot of people for this pandemic and the economic devastation that's occurring to not go away till after the election and you know it. And you also know that no one's advocating the types of doses of HQL that induces vision issues. Lower doses are extremely safe and have been considered so for well over 50 years.

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Very funny. It's not the HCQ that is impairing my vision, it's more likely the bleach I ingested on the basis of the recommendation of the president.

It's not in anyone's political interest for the pandemic to cause economic devastation. That's why democrats wanted Trump to do something about it early on in order to prevent said devastation. Perhaps if you were on the other side you would argue Trump's decision to ignore a pandemic was based on his desire to cause devastation but I think the answer is more clearly that he is an idiot and that republicans are complicit.

The economic devastation is a direct result of the spread of the pandemic, not the lockdowns which are an attempt to reduce the spread. This is becoming obvious in Sweden and will become more apparent as states early exit from lockdown and continue to see dramatically reduced economic activity because people don't want to expose themselves to COVID.

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That's bull**** and you know it. If the dems cared about the threat of covid, they wouldn't have been spending all their time on a phony impeachment trial while ignoring what was going on in the world or screaming racist, xenophobe nonsense accusations when the Trump admin started tightening up restrictions. There are lots of damning media clips showing their denial of the covid threat to the US until they found it to their advantage to pivot and try and rewrite history, like they always do. Bill Maher and many others openly rooted for a recession to derail Trump's reelection but the economic devastation resulting from the virus and the subsequent lockdown will do just fine. It's why the left will argue against lifting it any time before the election, even if it's deemed medically acceptable.

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bearlyamazing said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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bearlyamazing said:

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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You're a real funny guy. And you can keep on waiting for me to jump through your little hoops.

It's in the political interests of a lot of people for this pandemic and the economic devastation that's occurring to not go away till after the election and you know it. And you also know that no one's advocating the types of doses of HQL that induces vision issues. Lower doses are extremely safe and have been considered so for well over 50 years.

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Very funny. It's not the HCQ that is impairing my vision, it's more likely the bleach I ingested on the basis of the recommendation of the president.

It's not in anyone's political interest for the pandemic to cause economic devastation. That's why democrats wanted Trump to do something about it early on in order to prevent said devastation. Perhaps if you were on the other side you would argue Trump's decision to ignore a pandemic was based on his desire to cause devastation but I think the answer is more clearly that he is an idiot and that republicans are complicit.

The economic devastation is a direct result of the spread of the pandemic, not the lockdowns which are an attempt to reduce the spread. This is becoming obvious in Sweden and will become more apparent as states early exit from lockdown and continue to see dramatically reduced economic activity because people don't want to expose themselves to COVID.

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That's bull**** and you know it. If the dems cared about the threat of covid, they wouldn't have been spending all their time on a phony impeachment trial while ignoring what was going on in the world or screamisg racist, xenophobe nonsense accusations when the Trump admin started tightening up restrictions. There are lots of damning media clips showing their denial of the threat to the US until they found it to their advantage to pivot and try and rewrite history, like they always do. Bill Maher and many others openly rooted for a recession to derail Trump but the economic devastation resulting from the virus and the subsequent lockdown will do just fine. It's why the left will argue against lifting it any time before the election, even if it's deemed medically acceptable.

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LOL you are full of it.

This tweet has since been deleted:

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The economic devastation is a direct result of the spread of the pandemic, not the lockdowns which are an attempt to reduce the spread.

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This is just...so wrong.

I recall Fauci and Obama downplayed it as late as late February.

At the time of Trump's travel ban in late February, I don't recall anybody in the media or on the Left defending that move then or now.

I think that America should have banned all international travel by early February, and that nobody recommended that makes everybody in politics wrong and complicit. But it would have been absolutely ridiculed politically by the establishment.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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bearlyamazing said:

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bearlyamazing said:

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This is a pretty damning indictment of what's going in in NYC hospitals. She's far from the only one saying so, too.

Watch it before the boobs at youtube take it down again.

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I had trouble viewing this video because my vision has been blurry since I started dosing HCQ and bleach a few days ago. Could you enlighten us as to what conspiracy theory it is espousing?

Still eagerly awaiting your response to my prior questions. I would say more but I have to go take another spritz of disinfectant to stave off the COVID.

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You're a real funny guy. And you can keep on waiting for me to jump through your little hoops.

It's in the political interests of a lot of people for this pandemic and the economic devastation that's occurring to not go away till after the election and you know it. And you also know that no one's advocating the types of doses of HQL that induces vision issues. Lower doses are extremely safe and have been considered so for well over 50 years.

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Very funny. It's not the HCQ that is impairing my vision, it's more likely the bleach I ingested on the basis of the recommendation of the president.

It's not in anyone's political interest for the pandemic to cause economic devastation. That's why democrats wanted Trump to do something about it early on in order to prevent said devastation. Perhaps if you were on the other side you would argue Trump's decision to ignore a pandemic was based on his desire to cause devastation but I think the answer is more clearly that he is an idiot and that republicans are complicit.

The economic devastation is a direct result of the spread of the pandemic, not the lockdowns which are an attempt to reduce the spread. This is becoming obvious in Sweden and will become more apparent as states early exit from lockdown and continue to see dramatically reduced economic activity because people don't want to expose themselves to COVID.

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That's bull**** and you know it. If the dems cared about the threat of covid, they wouldn't have been spending all their time on a phony impeachment trial while ignoring what was going on in the world or screamisg racist, xenophobe nonsense accusations when the Trump admin started tightening up restrictions. There are lots of damning media clips showing their denial of the threat to the US until they found it to their advantage to pivot and try and rewrite history, like they always do. Bill Maher and many others openly rooted for a recession to derail Trump but the economic devastation resulting from the virus and the subsequent lockdown will do just fine. It's why the left will argue against lifting it any time before the election, even if it's deemed medically acceptable.

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LOL you are full of it.

This tweet has since been deleted:

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We could play the look for damning tweets game back and forth all day and you know it

That's where we disagree. You, along with the Republican senators (and vast majority of the party, it seems), see it as acceptable for a president to strongarm an ally to investigate a politial rival. You want to stay in power at any cost. This is why you have to bend over backwards in a failing attenpt to justify most actions taken by your chosen leaders. We see upholding the United States' democratic standards as something worth fighting for.

EDIT: It's telling that you don't think your president can deal with an impending pandemic while he is being investigated. If that doesn't speak to his inability to govern, I don't know what does.

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That's where we disagree. You, along with the Republican senators (and vast majority of the party, it seems), see it as acceptable for a president to strongarm an ally to investigate a politial rival. You want to stay in power at any cost. This is why you have to bend over backwards in a failing attenpt to justify most actions taken by your chosen leaders. We see upholding the United States' democratic standards as something worth fighting for.

EDIT: It's telling that you don't think your president can deal with an impending pandemic while he is being investigated. If that doesn't speak to his inability to govern, I don't know what does.

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Oh please. You want to stack your strongarming accusations up against the mountains of misdoings trying their damnest at all costs to get Trump out of office? Not even remotely close.

And what's telling is I was responding to the nonsense talking point of Dems leading the charge early on dealing with the growing pandemic, not saying Trump's response was comprehensive enough itself.

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That's where we disagree. You, along with the Republican senators (and vast majority of the party, it seems), see it as acceptable for a president to strongarm an ally to investigate a politial rival. You want to stay in power at any cost. This is why you have to bend over backwards in a failing attenpt to justify most actions taken by your chosen leaders. We see upholding the United States' democratic standards as something worth fighting for.

EDIT: It's telling that you don't think your president can deal with an impending pandemic while he is being investigated. If that doesn't speak to his inability to govern, I don't know what does.

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Oh please. You want to stack your strongarming accusations up against the mountains of misdoings trying their damnest at all costs to get Trump out of office? Not even remotely close.

And what's telling is I was responding to the nonsense talking point of Dems leading the charge early on dealing with the growing pandemic, not saying Trump's response was comprehensive enough itself.

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How does a person not notice that they are wrong about almost every opinion they express, and not start to question their sources and analysis ability, let alone show any sense of self-awareness and embarrassment on their perfect record of stupidity?

Are you just really old or something?

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You're a joke. Outside of this pathetic echo chamber, your rhetoric would get you laughed out of any room with a modicum of people with functioning mental capacities, living in the real world and not your pathetically constructed fantasy world.

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You're a joke. Outside of this pathetic echo chamber, your rhetoric would get you laughed out of any room with a modicum of people with functioning mental capacities, living in the real world and not your pathetically constructed fantasy world.

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What a dumb rip job.

Yeah, most of my friends are Cal and Ivy league grads. I have owned and run successful companies and sit on the board of directors of others. But yeah, I don't live in the real world.

You are actually the dumbest and scariest crazy person I have ever seen on the internet. Get help.

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If they're friends with someone so pathetically invested in the left's lies and can't tolerate anyone challenging their ridiculous worldview that all these sh*tbirds getting nowhere but fired with their pathetic keystone cops attempts to get Trump out office are just "doing their job," they're either VERY tolerant, leftist whack jobs like yourself or you somehow manage to clean up and function as an actual adult and not spew your leftist nonsense politics when you're around them. There's really no other alternative explanation besides you just lying.

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You're a joke. Outside of this pathetic echo chamber, your rhetoric would get you laughed out of any room with a modicum of people with functioning mental capacities, living in the real world and not your pathetically constructed fantasy world.

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What a dumb rip job.

Yeah, most of my friends are Cal and Ivy league grads. I have owned and run successful companies and sit on the board of directors of others. But yeah, I don't live in the real world.

You are actually the dumbest and scariest crazy person I have ever seen on the internet. Get help.

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Somebody's insecure. You don't function in the real world. You speciously moralize in your lengthy diatribes because that's all you can do. The echo chamber you live in is a PC culture promoting soft bigotry and warm prejudice masquerading as moral righteousness.

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You're a joke. Outside of this pathetic echo chamber, your rhetoric would get you laughed out of any room with a modicum of people with functioning mental capacities, living in the real world and not your pathetically constructed fantasy world.

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What a dumb rip job.

Yeah, most of my friends are Cal and Ivy league grads. I have owned and run successful companies and sit on the board of directors of others. But yeah, I don't live in the real world.

You are actually the dumbest and scariest crazy person I have ever seen on the internet. Get help.

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Somebody's insecure. You don't function in the real world. You speciously moralize in your lengthy diatribes because that's all you can do. The echo chamber you live in is a PC culture promoting soft bigotry and warm prejudice masquerading as moral righteousness.

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I listed a few of the things "I do" above, so it's quite a lot more than what you describe as "all I can do." But you go ahead and believe that the people who are smarter and more accomplished than you are the ones in an echo chamber if it helps you sleep at night.

I've made the analogy before, but trying to communicate to about 4 of the posters (who might just be the same person) on this board who each obstinately cling to their fringe opinions; who can rarely substantiate these opinions with any facts or credible sources, and who are shown to be wrong with their predictions and conspiracies over and over again but who still act like they are experts who are onto the "real truth" (see Dunning Kruger); is like talking to a teenager. You seem to have no idea what you don't know; you make ridiculous claims and will never back down and admit that you have no idea what you are talking about; your arguments are uneven and irrational; your vocabulary is limited and consists of a preponderance of lingo that substitutes for thinking; you never have anything inspirational, affirmative, unique, empathetic, or interesting to say; and you never listen or learn. It's regurgitated tripe. It's tiresome and drags down the entire board which actually used to be stimulating and a place to come for some heady thinking and knowledge that I DIDN'T already have--and no it wasn't all "liberal PC culture." You offer me nothing.

If there's a seriously bad take on a subject, I can expect one of you to posit it, and the others to defend it. In short, the group of you are every bit as boorish and unapologetically mentally underachieving as your beloved role model in the WH. You had three years to take some accountability for what you created and defended, and you never showed the strength of character or the intellectual honesty to own up to it. So you are officially in the group of people who are harmful to this society and who should be ignored. You lost all credibility and any chance at redemption. You are what history has to gloss over decade after decade to progress if we ever will as a species. In the movie of this country, you are the villains. There is no simpler way to put it than that. I hope you can change, for your own sakes, but I doubt it.

Gee, what a coincidence! Deaths from heart disease, flu, cancer, stroke, Altheimers, accidents and homicide plunge from 13,000 to 4,400 in NY in the same 1 month timeframe last year vs this year. Of course there are less accidents and homicides with SIP but not even remotely close enough to bridge this giant chasm.



Does't reflect well on the doom and gloom narrative here about covid. Deadly disease but not nearly as rampant and deadly as many here would have you believe, with any death from anyone who has the virus being labeled a covid death, even if they die due to any number of other principal reasons and underlying medical conditions.

bearlyamazing said:

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Gee, what a coincidence! Deaths from heart disease, flu, cancer, stroke, Altheimers, accidents and homicide plunge from 13,000 to 4,400 in NY in the same 1 month timeframe last year vs this year. Of course there are less accidents and homicides with SIP but not even remotely close enough to bridge this giant chasm.



Does't reflect well on the doom and gloom narrative here about covid. Deadly disease but not nearly as rampant and deadly as many here would have you believe, with any death from anyone who has the virus being labeled a covid death, even if they die due to any number of other principal reasons and underlying medical conditions.

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This chart isn't even remotely accurate. What conspiracy theory will you cling to in order to explain away the real numbers? Or will you just continue to pretend that fake numbers are real like you do with all of your other disinformation? Is there a centralized place where low information people can go for fake charts or do you just fall for Russian Trolls on Facebook? Are you really this gullible?

New York City alone had more than 8k non COVID deaths during that timeframe compared to under 5200 the prior year.

You should be ashamed of yourself but again that would be giving you too much credit and assuming you were capable of it.

Did you read the source of the chart at the bottom?

If the CDC and NY Times are actually incorrect, you're going to blame me for that? And what proof do you have they were wrong?