ur ... what about the players? pretty porous defense if they have to stand 6 feet apart.Cal Strong! said:
If the NCAA season is cancelled, Cal and furd should still suit up and play the Big Game. Students only can attend, to keep distancing.
SoCalie said:
Totally agree, SB. If the general student body is enrolled in - and attending - classes virtually and in-person (even if on a limited basis), it would seem that should be enough to constitute "students on campus." In this regard, school will be continuing. Even if many of the students elect to stay home (and not return to Berkeley) and take their classes solely online, that shouldn't matter. The athletes (and anyone else that wants to) can remain on campus and attend their classes however they want (virtually and/or in person), and follow what ever regulations are set forth for social distancing. I'm hoping the Athletic Department can come up with rules that the coaches and athletes feel comfortable with - and that the UC Regents approve - that will enable the fall sports to safely take place. That's not hoping for too much, is it?
Your last sentence is a succinct summary of the current situation.wifeisafurd said:
This is far more complicated. For example, Newsom wants to move up the fall semester to summer since the virus will be diminished in warmer weather. The view is because we isolated, we are more susceptible to a repeat bad COVID season later in the fall. (I'm not going to get into the whole herd immunity the Swiss have it right thing - we did what we did and now have to deal with it). I'm not sure schools will be ready, and certainly don't know that summer football is even close to a reality for a lot of reasons. I don't even know if Newsom (and other governors?) will get his wish on an open campus in June/July. But if COVID does come back badly in the fall, that changes the equation even if the decision was made to have football as regularly scheduled. Long way of saying, what is decided in June, may not hold. This is a very fluid. Sorry to be the bearer of uncertainty. But anyone that tells you they know what is happening, doesn't know what is happening.
You can't play a spring season and then expect everybody to start it up again in less than 3 months to return to the fall schedule, it happens in fall or it doesn't. Other than practices and games, there are logistical mechanics for bowls, TV networks, etc., how would college football work during March Madness and the NBA playoffs?6956bear said:
Can a Spring season be possible? I doubt it. Unless they want to permanently move football to the Spring. Football is a tough sport and there needs to be sufficient offseason to recover from a season of playing. A season ending say in May and then starting back up in late August seems to be too quick.
I agree. We are learning as we go, so what we discover in July will supersede anything decided in June. Lots of "experts" are expecting another wave sooner than expected as a result of the current re-opening strategies being pursued by some states. We shall find out soon who is correct.wifeisafurd said:
This is far more complicated. For example, Newsom wants to move up the fall semester to summer since the virus will be diminished in warmer weather. The view is because we isolated, we are more susceptible to a repeat bad COVID season later in the fall. (I'm not going to get into the whole herd immunity the Swiss have it right thing - we did what we did and now have to deal with it). I'm not sure schools will be ready, and certainly don't know that summer football is even close to a reality for a lot of reasons. I don't even know if Newsom (and other governors?) will get his wish on an open campus in June/July. But if COVID does come back badly in the fall, that changes the equation even if the decision was made to have football as regularly scheduled. Long way of saying, what is decided in June, may not hold. This is a very fluid. Sorry to be the bearer of uncertainty. But anyone that tells you they know what is happening, doesn't know what is happening.
This is at a time when the university itself is having a tremendous loss of funding. Loss of student housing revenue is a real killer, costs to shift to on-line learning have been excessive, and with the State of California's own financial losses (we only get 40% of our education support from the state anyway) will prevent us from getting any help from Sacramento.Chabbear said:
The big elephant in the room is that without football revenues, other D-1 athletic programs die unless one of a few things happen:
1. Sport is fully endowed
2. College picks up the tab
3. Donations increase to support the sports kept.
4. Other revenues found.
5.???
Wild cards:
1. Title 9.
2. NCAA rules about the number of sports to remain eligible for D-1
3. Conference rules about sports that must be included to be in the conference (Pac 12: Football, Men and Women Basketball, Women Volleyball)
4. Tax support from Congress
5. ??
HungryCalBear said:ur ... what about the players? pretty porous defense if they have to stand 6 feet apart.Cal Strong! said:
If the NCAA season is cancelled, Cal and furd should still suit up and play the Big Game. Students only can attend, to keep distancing.
I feel really bumped since this could be our year!!! :-(
Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
It is seen by some as a good chance to radically transform our way of life (and I'm not quoting Obama - he got it from someone else). I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
They hadn't counted on Sweden not having wiped itself out by now.
How sick of this "shelter in place" are you? Have you obeyed orders explicitly? We went along in the short term because we wanted to gain time for the scientists to come up with tests, treatments and vaccines. That's now well underway. How much longer are you willing to sacrifice when nearly half the states and their populations are determined to open up and cope with the results? Don't forget that the steps taken so far are voluntary and would not survive even the merest of Constitutional challenges. Orange County has already figured that out. They, at least, will not take any more.
Rushinbear said:
I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
I wonder who the "they" he is talking about are? I have never heard this position expressed by anyone until now. Especially as football is the ultimate TEAM sport, not an individual sport in any sense.golden sloth said:Rushinbear said:
I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
Do you care to elaborate on this because I dont see this as happening at all, and I don't understand the logic behind the 'kill the football, change the world' sentiment?
Nonsense. Fox News has reported that there are actually over 120,000 new lifes over the period of this communist hoax administered by Ben Ghazi.ducky23 said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
Cmon man. That's been debunked for awhile
I'm on the board of an over 55 homeowners assn. We put in shelter in place two months ago and have enforced it almost rigidly. We've had no cases or deaths and only one owner has reported any family/friends as having come down with it (Colorado). I've been getting calls, stopped on the sidewalks by a lot of our owners and they are about to revolt. We're opening up next week on a gradual basis.Big C said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
It is seen by some as a good chance to radically transform our way of life (and I'm not quoting Obama - he got it from someone else). I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
They hadn't counted on Sweden not having wiped itself out by now.
How sick of this "shelter in place" are you? Have you obeyed orders explicitly? We went along in the short term because we wanted to gain time for the scientists to come up with tests, treatments and vaccines. That's now well underway. How much longer are you willing to sacrifice when nearly half the states and their populations are determined to open up and cope with the results? Don't forget that the steps taken so far are voluntary and would not survive even the merest of Constitutional challenges. Orange County has already figured that out. They, at least, will not take any more.
Wow. A lot of "interesting" ideas and statistics there. Let me guess, you are at least as sick of shelter-in-place as I am?
I linked the image of the CDC form, with footnotes about a week ago. The 37,000 number has been made public much more recently. "Awhile" hasn't had time to transpire.ducky23 said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
Cmon man. That's been debunked for awhile
Are you new here? It's been debated off and on over the last two years, at least.IssyBear said:I wonder who the "they" he is talking about are? I have never heard this position expressed by anyone until now. Especially as football is the ultimate TEAM sport, not an individual sport in any sense.golden sloth said:Rushinbear said:
I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
Do you care to elaborate on this because I dont see this as happening at all, and I don't understand the logic behind the 'kill the football, change the world' sentiment?
That's how you avoid debate? Weak.Bobodeluxe said:Nonsense. Fox News has reported that there are actually over 120,000 new lifes over the period of this communist hoax administered by Ben Ghazi.ducky23 said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
Cmon man. That's been debunked for awhile
Hard to believe that many of the posters here ever graduated high school.
Ok first off, you do understand that your 37k stat is not accurate, correct?Rushinbear said:I linked the image of the CDC form, with footnotes about a week ago. The 37,000 number has been made public much more recently. "Awhile" hasn't had time to transpire.ducky23 said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
Cmon man. That's been debunked for awhile
What I always wonder is why intelligent people continue to trust sources that continually intentionally mislead them. Yes the 37K number did appear on the CDC web site as a PROVISIONAL number. Regular consumers of the sites data would understand that the data lag by as much as two weeks or more. In this instance, that would account for the difference between 67K & 37K - but Fox reports the shocking new number (37K) and the echo chamber amplifies. People who trust Fox news repeat it - and look like idiots. Fool me twice, shame on me...Bobodeluxe said:Nonsense. Fox News has reported that there are actually over 120,000 new lifes over the period of this communist hoax administered by Ben Ghazi.ducky23 said:Rushinbear said:
No football would be a huge mistake. We see how this situation is being managed, globally, nationally and on a state level. The recent admission by the CDC that the number of deaths is 37,000, not 60,000, is the latest evidence.
Cmon man. That's been debunked for awhile
Hard to believe that many of the posters here ever graduated high school.
Colleges have shown absolutely zero indication to their students of any plan to open early. They are already under brutal timelines to figure out what to do about Fall under the current timelines.wifeisafurd said:
This is far more complicated. For example, Newsom wants to move up the fall semester to summer since the virus will be diminished in warmer weather. The view is because we isolated, we are more susceptible to a repeat bad COVID season later in the fall. (I'm not going to get into the whole herd immunity the Swiss have it right thing - we did what we did and now have to deal with it). I'm not sure schools will be ready, and certainly don't know that summer football is even close to a reality for a lot of reasons. I don't even know if Newsom (and other governors?) will get his wish on an open campus in June/July. But if COVID does come back badly in the fall, that changes the equation even if the decision was made to have football as regularly scheduled. Long way of saying, what is decided in June, may not hold. This is a very fluid. Sorry to be the bearer of uncertainty. But anyone that tells you they know what is happening, doesn't know what is happening.
Thanks for the tip to check out the debate that has been held for the past two years on this issue. To save time I Googled the following: "football is reflection of an individual, competitive way of life". Surprisingly, all I got was your above post. You were #1! I could find no #2 on this topic.Rushinbear said:Are you new here? It's been debated off and on over the last two years, at least.IssyBear said:I wonder who the "they" he is talking about are? I have never heard this position expressed by anyone until now. Especially as football is the ultimate TEAM sport, not an individual sport in any sense.golden sloth said:Rushinbear said:
I'm talking about the crowd that has been slowly, incrementally undermining football, not because it can be characterized as dangerous, but because it is the number one reflection of an individual, competitive way of life. If they can kill football or radically undermine it, they are on their way faster to changing all that we hold dear.
Do you care to elaborate on this because I dont see this as happening at all, and I don't understand the logic behind the 'kill the football, change the world' sentiment?
In football, each individual has their position to play and their role in the team, unlike BB or soccer where one player can dominate to a much greater degree. And, because of the physical demands, each individual must maximize his readiness to perform. And, overcoming fatigue and injury during play is much more important.
