https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uc-berkeley-laments-toll-george-floyds-death-has-taken-on-students-after-murder-of-19-year-old-white-student

This is why you should always go to the source material for context, instead of Tweets. And why Minot posting in these forums is always ultimately a bad look for Minot.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/22/campus-mourns-tragic-death-of-third-year-berkeley-student/

Todd Ingram said:

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This is why you should always go to the source material for context, instead of Tweets. And why Minot posting in these forums is always ultimate a bad look for Minot.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/22/campus-mourns-tragic-death-of-third-year-berkeley-student/

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Sorry bud..in context it ain't any better.

What is inappropriate about the chancellor's announcement? Are you implying that the senseless murder of a white male is not as disgusting as the senseless murder of a black male?

MinotStateBeav said:

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uc-berkeley-laments-toll-george-floyds-death-has-taken-on-students-after-murder-of-19-year-old-white-student

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How do you guys put up with these right wing news sites? That was a mass of popup ads, popup videos and survey and daily briefing requests. I can't deal with all that nonsense. Other news web sites do it too but not to that degree.

If it helps, I doubt Cal has ever had a good look on the Washington Examiner.

Ahh so *** does the source have to do with what f'ing CAL put out? Nothing. Sit down.

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What is inappropriate about the chancellor's announcement? Are you implying that the senseless murder of a white male is not as disgusting as the senseless murder of a black male?

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It's very obvious that wasn't the implication. It's also very obvious that one event had nothing to do with the other which is why it was strange Chancellor Christ brought it up.

UPDATE: From Vice Chancellor Mogulof: 'Im sorry that our desire to acknowledge and empathize with what folks are feeling rubs you the wrong way and didnt realize that there is some sort of rule stating that only one tragedy should be acknowledged in a given campus message,'"

Eastern Oregon Bear, you may have found a match in Vice Chancellor Mogulof. lol

MinotStateBeav said:

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Ahh so *** does the source have to do with what f'ing CAL put out? Nothing. Sit down.

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To quote minostatebeav

"Sorry - f'ing - Bud - ain't - nothing...ahhhh."

George Floyd isn't really just about "George Floyd." The George Floyd killing has had a domino effect of shaking up the world we live in. I mean, if he hadn't died, Mississippi wouldn't be poised to remove the Confederate Flag from its state flag. There's been a worldwind of events that have resulted from his death that, quite frankly, could be seen as overwhelming. And it seems to me that was what the chancellor was referring to.


Of course, a Conservativepublication like the Washington Examiner is going to try to seize on anything liberal UC Berkeley does to generate outrage because they know their audience.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uc-berkeley-laments-toll-george-floyds-death-has-taken-on-students-after-murder-of-19-year-old-white-student

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How do you guys put up with these right wing news sites? That was a mass of popup ads, popup videos and survey and daily briefing requests. I can't deal with all that nonsense. Other news web sites do it too but not to that degree.

If it helps, I doubt Cal has ever had a good look on the Washington Examiner.

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It's always enlightening to hear from the dumbest poster on BI.

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I thought I was the stupidest poster on BI not the dumbest. Either way, it's very liberating. I can say any damb fool thing I want. If I'm called on it, I can just say "What did you expect? I'm the dumbest person on Bear Insider." It's like I'm playing Monopoly and have a get out of jail free card.

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George Floyd isn't really just about "George Floyd." The George Floyd killing has had a domino effect of shaking up the world we live in. I mean, if he hadn't died, Mississippi wouldn't be poised to remove the Confederate Flag from its state flag. There's been a worldwind of events that have resulted from his death that, quite frankly, could be seen as overwhelming. And it seems to me that was what the chancellor was referring to.


Of course, a Conservativepublication like the Washington Examiner is going to try to seize on anything liberal UC Berkeley does to generate outrage because they know their audience.

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I couldn't imagine inviting Chancellor Christ to speak at the kid's funeral.

We mourn his passing but... we also mourn George Floyd.

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okaydo said:

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George Floyd isn't really just about "George Floyd." The George Floyd killing has had a domino effect of shaking up the world we live in. I mean, if he hadn't died, Mississippi wouldn't be poised to remove the Confederate Flag from its state flag. There's been a worldwind of events that have resulted from his death that, quite frankly, could be seen as overwhelming. And it seems to me that was what the chancellor was referring to.


Of course, a Conservativepublication like the Washington Examiner is going to try to seize on anything liberal UC Berkeley does to generate outrage because they know their audience.

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I couldn't imagine inviting Chancellor Christ to speak at the kid's funeral.

We mourn his passing but... we also mourn George Floyd.

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He was killed during these stressful, unusual times in the campus community and the world (her sentence included the pandemic *and* George Floyd). And she's acknowledging that. I think his family is smart enough not to respond to right-wing trolling of her words. Any "normal" person would realize these aren't normal times.

Christ devoted her first 12 sentences to Seth Smith.

Her 13th sentence was devoted to putting his death in the context of our uneasy times.

When my fellow Cal classmate Ken Ishida, age 20, was forced at gunpoint into the trunk of his car at his Channing Way apartment garage and shot dead in a Vallejo alleyway, I don't even recall the chancellor's comments -- if he made any.

I'll agree that it was dumb to put the Floyd comment in an announcement about someone else's death. Like, if that weren't there would anyone have made a fuss about it? Doubtful. Not sure why they felt the need to.

I also don't think this is a big enough deal to argue about in a dedicated thread, though I'm sure it will happen anyway.

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okaydo said:

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George Floyd isn't really just about "George Floyd." The George Floyd killing has had a domino effect of shaking up the world we live in. I mean, if he hadn't died, Mississippi wouldn't be poised to remove the Confederate Flag from its state flag. There's been a worldwind of events that have resulted from his death that, quite frankly, could be seen as overwhelming. And it seems to me that was what the chancellor was referring to.


Of course, a Conservativepublication like the Washington Examiner is going to try to seize on anything liberal UC Berkeley does to generate outrage because they know their audience.

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I couldn't imagine inviting Chancellor Christ to speak at the kid's funeral.

We mourn his passing but... we also mourn George Floyd.

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He was killed during these stressful, unusual times in the campus community and the world (her sentence included the pandemic *and* George Floyd). And she's acknowledging that. I think his family is smart enough not to respond to right-wing trolling of her words. Any "normal" person would realize these aren't normal times.

Christ devoted her first 12 sentences to Seth Smith.

Her 13th sentence was devoted to putting his death in the context of our uneasy times.

When my fellow Cal classmate Ken Ishida, age 20, was forced at gunpoint into the trunk of his car at his Channing Way apartment garage and shot dead in a Vallejo alleyway, I don't even recall the chancellor's comments -- if he made any.

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Face it, every little thing has become a flash point in the culture wars. Even one sentence.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uc-berkeley-laments-toll-george-floyds-death-has-taken-on-students-after-murder-of-19-year-old-white-student

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How do you guys put up with these right wing news sites? That was a mass of popup ads, popup videos and survey and daily briefing requests. I can't deal with all that nonsense. Other news web sites do it too but not to that degree.

If it helps, I doubt Cal has ever had a good look on the Washington Examiner.

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It's always enlightening to hear from the dumbest poster on BI.

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I thought I was the stupidest poster on BI not the dumbest. Either way, it's very liberating. I can say any damb fool thing I want. If I'm called on it, I can just say "What did you expect? I'm the dumbest person on Bear Insider." It's like I'm playing Monopoly and have a get out of jail free card.

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You're both and more! Lol I'll unpack more adjectives for you later. At least you're a good sport about it and don't block me, like little princesses such as Unit2. Happy Sunday to you, EOB

Family of Slaying Suspect Offers Apology / Friends of dead Berkeley student weep


https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Family-of-Slaying-Suspect-Offers-Apology-3000194.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Family-of-Slaying-Suspect-Offers-Apology-3000194.php

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uc-berkeley-laments-toll-george-floyds-death-has-taken-on-students-after-murder-of-19-year-old-white-student

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How do you guys put up with these right wing news sites? That was a mass of popup ads, popup videos and survey and daily briefing requests. I can't deal with all that nonsense. Other news web sites do it too but not to that degree.

If it helps, I doubt Cal has ever had a good look on the Washington Examiner.

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It's always enlightening to hear from the dumbest poster on BI.

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I thought I was the stupidest poster on BI not the dumbest. Either way, it's very liberating. I can say any damb fool thing I want. If I'm called on it, I can just say "What did you expect? I'm the dumbest person on Bear Insider." It's like I'm playing Monopoly and have a get out of jail free card.

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You're both and more! Lol I'll unpack more adjectives for you later. At least you're a good sport about it and don't block me, like little princesses such as Unit2. Happy Sunday to you, EOB

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Thanks. I hope your Sunday is going well. I don't block anybody though some people don't get more than a brief scan before I move on.

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George Floyd isn't really just about "George Floyd." The George Floyd killing has had a domino effect of shaking up the world we live in. I mean, if he hadn't died, Mississippi wouldn't be poised to remove the Confederate Flag from its state flag. There's been a worldwind of events that have resulted from his death that, quite frankly, could be seen as overwhelming. And it seems to me that was what the chancellor was referring to.


Of course, a Conservativepublication like the Washington Examiner is going to try to seize on anything liberal UC Berkeley does to generate outrage because they know their audience.

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I couldn't imagine inviting Chancellor Christ to speak at the kid's funeral.

We mourn his passing but... we also mourn George Floyd.

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He was killed during these stressful, unusual times in the campus community and the world (her sentence included the pandemic *and* George Floyd). And she's acknowledging that. I think his family is smart enough not to respond to right-wing trolling of her words. Any "normal" person would realize these aren't normal times.

Christ devoted her first 12 sentences to Seth Smith.

Her 13th sentence was devoted to putting his death in the context of our uneasy times.

When my fellow Cal classmate Ken Ishida, age 20, was forced at gunpoint into the trunk of his car at his Channing Way apartment garage and shot dead in a Vallejo alleyway, I don't even recall the chancellor's comments -- if he made any.

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I remember that, very sad.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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How do you guys put up with these right wing news sites? That was a mass of popup ads, popup videos and survey and daily briefing requests. I can't deal with all that nonsense. Other news web sites do it too but not to that degree.

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When it comes to ideologically biased publications that pick stories to rile up their target audience emotionally or interpret information in a way to make the other side look bad (such as selective quoting or inflammatory commentary), I think about the "I see 6, but you see 9" problem.

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/21/berkeley-police-make-arrest-in-fatal-shooting-of-cal-student

Berkeley police make arrest in fatal shooting of Cal student, Seth Smith.

Berkeley police detectives have arrested a local man in connection with the fatal shooting of a Cal student who was walking on Dwight Way in West Berkeley in June.

That is a tragic story. It is also a statistical anomaly in that (if I read a chart correctly) 1.7 % of murders in the United States are committed by people the suspect's age (60 years).
Reviewing his criminal record certainly indicates the criminal justice system failed. To me, the mob style execution of a complete stranger (from what we know), tends to indicate the possibility that he may have murdered before. It will be interesting if any cold cases are revisited.

I wonder if they will look at the guy for this one. He could have followed this man home from choir practice:

El Cerrito police ask for help solving lawyer's murder


https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/12/police-renew-effort-to-solve-death-of-el-cerrito-lawyer/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/12/police-renew-effort-to-solve-death-of-el-cerrito-lawyer/amp/


*Emilie Raguso is an A+ journalist. I followed her coverage of a criminal trial and her reporting had the detail of a court reporter's transcript and did not contain any bias. She makes Berkeleyside a top local news website IMO.

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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Hate crime? Or does it only apply the other way around. He was shot in the back of the head for no apparent reason.

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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Hate crime? Or does it only apply the other way around. He was shot in the back of the head for no apparent reason.

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Before "Hate Crime" can be applied to this murder you need to know if this was a crime of opportunity. Was this young man killed in a robbery or was he killed because of the color of his skin? Once that is established then you can make a determination and apply the "Hate Crime" moniker if warranted. Does that meet with your approval? Maybe you should use that standard before you post the incendiary postings featuring people of color that you are so well known for.

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That is a tragic story. It is also a statistical anomaly in that (if I read a chart correctly) 1.7 % of murders in the United States are committed by people the suspect's age (60 years).
Reviewing his criminal record certainly indicates the criminal justice system failed. To me, the mob style execution of a complete stranger (from what we know), tends to indicate the possibility that he may have murdered before. It will be interesting if any cold cases are revisited.

I wonder if they will look at the guy for this one. He could have followed this man home from choir practice:

El Cerrito police ask for help solving lawyer's murder


https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/12/police-renew-effort-to-solve-death-of-el-cerrito-lawyer/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/12/police-renew-effort-to-solve-death-of-el-cerrito-lawyer/amp/


*Emilie Raguso is an A+ journalist. I followed her coverage of a criminal trial and her reporting had the detail of a court reporter's transcript and did not contain any bias. She makes Berkeleyside a top local news website IMO.

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I don't read Berkeleyside anymore since I don't live in the Bay Area, but when I did, she was obsessively on top of things as a reporter.

I'm confused, are hate crimes worthy of harsher prosecution or are they bulls*** laws cooked up by liberal SJWs to cater to identity politics? Or do they only matter when it looks like a white person was killed by a black person?

California "Hate Crime" Laws - Explained By Criminal Defense Lawyers


https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/federal/hate-crime-laws/

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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Hate crime? Or does it only apply the other way around. He was shot in the back of the head for no apparent reason.

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Before "Hate Crime" can be applied to this murder you need to know if this was a crime of opportunity. Was this young man killed in a robbery or was he killed because of the color of his skin? Once that is established then you can make a determination and apply the "Hate Crime" moniker if warranted. Does that meet with your approval? Maybe you should use that standard before you post the incendiary postings featuring people of color that you are so well known for.

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Hey Captain Catastrophe, there was no robbery, he was shot in the back of the head and that's it. Why don't you join the non-protest before you start posting incendiary comments featuring people of color that you claim to represent as their savior?

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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Hate crime? Or does it only apply the other way around. He was shot in the back of the head for no apparent reason.

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Before "Hate Crime" can be applied to this murder you need to know if this was a crime of opportunity. Was this young man killed in a robbery or was he killed because of the color of his skin? Once that is established then you can make a determination and apply the "Hate Crime" moniker if warranted. Does that meet with your approval? Maybe you should use that standard before you post the incendiary postings featuring people of color that you are so well known for.

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Hey Captain Catastrophe, there was no robbery, he was shot in the back of the head and that's it. Why don't you join the non-protest before you start posting incendiary comments featuring people of color that you claim to represent as their savior?

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Hey, Bear Fart unless you know why the crime was committed then you are tilting at windmills. Have you seen the DA's interview with the suspect? If not then why not let the investigators conduct their investigation but I guess that would stop you from hurling the racial bombs that you are so well known for. I am more than willing to try someone for murder if that is what the case calls for but until we know exactly what happened I need more information to make an informed decision. Since there are but a few people of color who post here, I am more than willing to add my comments when I see bull**** posted and if that is what you mean by "savior" then, you're welcome.

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https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/24/murder-charges-filed-after-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student

Murder charges filed after killing of UC Berkeley student.

The Alameda County district attorney's office filed felony charges Monday against 60-year-old Berkeley resident Tony Walker in the June killing of 19-year-old Cal student Seth Smith.

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From Seth's Mother:

Rode-Smith said she does not, however, want to see her son's killing used as fodder by those who want to fan the flames of racial divisiveness.

"Let's get rid of the hate, period," she said. "Nobody should feel anger and hatred toward another human because of what they look like."

"I don't hate anyone," Rode-Smith continued, trying to hold back tears. "But I certainly am frustrated and I wish I had my son back."

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Hate crime? Or does it only apply the other way around. He was shot in the back of the head for no apparent reason.

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If there is proof that his motivation was based on race, than yes it is a hate crime and should be prosecuted as such. It probably won't be because there is nothing demonstrating it was racially motivated at the crime scene. If the guy has any other things that would provide that evidence (anything in his home, internet postings, etc.) I hope they find it. However, failure to charge a hate crime is not indication that it only applies one way (it doesn't) There is a very likely possibility the guy is just crazy. There is also the possibility that he was racially motivated but gave no outward indication of that motivation. Motivation is hard to prove when you aren't caught yelling racial slurs while you commit your crime or you don't post on the internet what you are about to do and why.

In any case, I hope the guy never sees the light of day again. If he gets shanked while awaiting trial, no problem for me.