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<snip>I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of the military will not stand for the election to be stolen by those who want to defund law and order, defund the military, and cozy up to China.

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Which election are you watching, goat boy? Or, more appropriate, what reality are you living in? I don't see any candidates or parties that have the platform you describe. Great use of straw man argument, though. You're a good little Rightie. Keep reading that playbook!

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Okay, I've read enough reports now, and these federal agents need to leave, they are occupying Portland. This is a ploy by the Trump administration to create a fight, and provoke protesters into confrontation in order to obtain footage of the conflict and write the narrative that suburban America isn't safe without him. They are the ones initiating the violence so they may get the scary images of a chaotic crowd playing around in suburban America's mind.

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This was despicable as the jack-booted thugs assaulted a veteran who served his country. Their actions laid bare for all Americans to see the overreach of federal agents and their dealings with peaceful protesters.

This is actually happening. My God. "You'll see something rolled out this week, as we start to go in and make sure that the communities whether it's Chicago or Portland or Milwaukee or someplace across the heartland we need to make sure their communities are safe," he added. All three cities named are run by Democrats. President Donald Trump also indicated that federal squads would likely target cities run by the party that opposes him. He said on "Fox News Sunday" that "violence" was on the increase in "Democrat-run cities."

Can you Trump apologists finally put aside the tribal loyalty and take a stand against this? You have looked the other way with each step further from our collective values, please recognize that authoritarianism is really here. This AG and administration are actually actively involved in a cover up and a way to stay in power regardless of our election. The "coup" you have accused is happening at the hands of Liberals or the Deep State is happening in a slow roll right before our eyes by those who have been spreading misinformation and propaganda for years. If this works there is no going back. Please don't trivialize this, or excuse it, but join the line that says no more.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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golden sloth said:

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Tedhead94 said:

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As an Oregon resident and with several friends and family that are Portland residents I find the skepticism and doubt both telling and disturbing. This is very much happening right now and is not limited to protecting the federal buildings.

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My skepticism stems from Reuters not having reported it yet, from the BBC not having reported it yet, and from vox (who is left leaning and would usually be all over something like this) not having reported it yet. These reports may still come, but I've never been the type to rush to judgment, and prefer to have multiple reports from news organizations I trust, and not use Twitter as a reliable source of information.

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I posted a video of acting chief of DHS acknowledging this is happening but if you need to hear it from Reuters, well here you go.

As for CB93's incredulity, it's time for him to come to terms with what has become of the conservative movement. Trump has been threatening/promising to send in federal law enforcement to "crack down" on protesters for weeks now. There has not been significant Republican opposition and he sees this as a win for him.

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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - Federal law enforcement officers are cracking down on protesters in Portland, Oregon, under the Trump administration's new executive order to protect U.S. monuments in what the state's Democratic governor has called "political theater."

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A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) spokeswoman said on Friday agents had been deployed to Portland to support a newly launched U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unit, tasked with enforcing last month's executive order from Republican President Donald Trump to protect federal monuments and buildings.

The spokeswoman did not provide details, saying it could jeopardize the safety of agents, but said they had been trained for operations "in chaotic environments."

In addition to Border Patrol agents, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are helping DHS's Federal Protective Service, which provides security for federal buildings, ICE said.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown called it "a blatant abuse of power by the federal government,"
"This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety," Brown wrote on Twitter.

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Well, I think you are wrong on the conservative movement. I think you are right about the feckless Republican leaders if this is true and they continue to stay silent. The day of reckoning will come when the thing they fear the most, losing their Senate majority and losing their seat, will become true when enough conservatives will be fed up with the bull**** and give moderate Democrats a shot. Because it they continue to worship on the altar of Trump and betray their conservative values, then no amount of conservative judges will convince me to vote for any of these cowards or anyone who comes close to being unprincipled ever again. The only way the Democrats can screw this up is to take this opportunity to go so far left that people who are ready to jump get gun shy again.

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CB93 have you seen enough or are you still waiting for more evidence before condemning Republican leaders?

Just checking back in a few days after stating this was real and very much happening. Many thought it couldn't possibly be.

Glad to see some are starting to come around to the truth of the matter, finally.

Get ready, America. The Portland scenario is coming to your hometown next.

https://twitter.com/MatthewKlug/status/1285081711865462784/photo/1

This event shows the ridiculousness of it all. A bunch of guys in body armor shooting rubber bullets at a naked lady.

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These videos are disturbing. I would have called 911 and reported a kidnapping. These guys are wearing outfits that say POLICE but I didn't see any police procedures being followed.

Unit2Sucks said:

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calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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golden sloth said:

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Tedhead94 said:

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As an Oregon resident and with several friends and family that are Portland residents I find the skepticism and doubt both telling and disturbing. This is very much happening right now and is not limited to protecting the federal buildings.

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My skepticism stems from Reuters not having reported it yet, from the BBC not having reported it yet, and from vox (who is left leaning and would usually be all over something like this) not having reported it yet. These reports may still come, but I've never been the type to rush to judgment, and prefer to have multiple reports from news organizations I trust, and not use Twitter as a reliable source of information.

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I posted a video of acting chief of DHS acknowledging this is happening but if you need to hear it from Reuters, well here you go.

As for CB93's incredulity, it's time for him to come to terms with what has become of the conservative movement. Trump has been threatening/promising to send in federal law enforcement to "crack down" on protesters for weeks now. There has not been significant Republican opposition and he sees this as a win for him.

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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - Federal law enforcement officers are cracking down on protesters in Portland, Oregon, under the Trump administration's new executive order to protect U.S. monuments in what the state's Democratic governor has called "political theater."

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A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) spokeswoman said on Friday agents had been deployed to Portland to support a newly launched U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unit, tasked with enforcing last month's executive order from Republican President Donald Trump to protect federal monuments and buildings.

The spokeswoman did not provide details, saying it could jeopardize the safety of agents, but said they had been trained for operations "in chaotic environments."

In addition to Border Patrol agents, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are helping DHS's Federal Protective Service, which provides security for federal buildings, ICE said.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown called it "a blatant abuse of power by the federal government,"
"This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety," Brown wrote on Twitter.

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Well, I think you are wrong on the conservative movement. I think you are right about the feckless Republican leaders if this is true and they continue to stay silent. The day of reckoning will come when the thing they fear the most, losing their Senate majority and losing their seat, will become true when enough conservatives will be fed up with the bull**** and give moderate Democrats a shot. Because it they continue to worship on the altar of Trump and betray their conservative values, then no amount of conservative judges will convince me to vote for any of these cowards or anyone who comes close to being unprincipled ever again. The only way the Democrats can screw this up is to take this opportunity to go so far left that people who are ready to jump get gun shy again.

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CB93 have you seen enough or are you still waiting for more evidence before condemning Republican leaders?

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I have seen enough. I have no love lost for "woke" white protesters defacing property and I do recognize that the federal police force have the right to protect federal building.

However, this is not it. And this is way over-reach by the federal government. I am a firm believer in strong state rights (including the protection that electoral college and senate provide), and this goes against my views on limited federal government.

I'm sure that there are many SMU Mustangs that are rejoicing that their very own Chad Dubya is dishing out so much Texas justice on Portlandia.

calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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golden sloth said:

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Tedhead94 said:

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As an Oregon resident and with several friends and family that are Portland residents I find the skepticism and doubt both telling and disturbing. This is very much happening right now and is not limited to protecting the federal buildings.

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My skepticism stems from Reuters not having reported it yet, from the BBC not having reported it yet, and from vox (who is left leaning and would usually be all over something like this) not having reported it yet. These reports may still come, but I've never been the type to rush to judgment, and prefer to have multiple reports from news organizations I trust, and not use Twitter as a reliable source of information.

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I posted a video of acting chief of DHS acknowledging this is happening but if you need to hear it from Reuters, well here you go.

As for CB93's incredulity, it's time for him to come to terms with what has become of the conservative movement. Trump has been threatening/promising to send in federal law enforcement to "crack down" on protesters for weeks now. There has not been significant Republican opposition and he sees this as a win for him.

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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - Federal law enforcement officers are cracking down on protesters in Portland, Oregon, under the Trump administration's new executive order to protect U.S. monuments in what the state's Democratic governor has called "political theater."

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A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) spokeswoman said on Friday agents had been deployed to Portland to support a newly launched U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unit, tasked with enforcing last month's executive order from Republican President Donald Trump to protect federal monuments and buildings.

The spokeswoman did not provide details, saying it could jeopardize the safety of agents, but said they had been trained for operations "in chaotic environments."

In addition to Border Patrol agents, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are helping DHS's Federal Protective Service, which provides security for federal buildings, ICE said.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown called it "a blatant abuse of power by the federal government,"
"This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety," Brown wrote on Twitter.

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Well, I think you are wrong on the conservative movement. I think you are right about the feckless Republican leaders if this is true and they continue to stay silent. The day of reckoning will come when the thing they fear the most, losing their Senate majority and losing their seat, will become true when enough conservatives will be fed up with the bull**** and give moderate Democrats a shot. Because it they continue to worship on the altar of Trump and betray their conservative values, then no amount of conservative judges will convince me to vote for any of these cowards or anyone who comes close to being unprincipled ever again. The only way the Democrats can screw this up is to take this opportunity to go so far left that people who are ready to jump get gun shy again.

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CB93 have you seen enough or are you still waiting for more evidence before condemning Republican leaders?

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I have seen enough. I have no love lost for "woke" white protesters defacing property and I do recognize that the federal police force have the right to protect federal building.

However, this is not it. And this is way over-reach by the federal government. I am a firm believer in strong state rights (including the protection that electoral college and senate provide), and this goes against my views on limited federal government.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I understand why people are defacing federal buildings or what they hope to accomplish with petty vandalism. A lot of it amounts to political theater.

But it shouldn't be an excuse for Republicans to justify creeping fascism.

Unit2Sucks said:

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calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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calbear93 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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golden sloth said:

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Tedhead94 said:

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As an Oregon resident and with several friends and family that are Portland residents I find the skepticism and doubt both telling and disturbing. This is very much happening right now and is not limited to protecting the federal buildings.

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My skepticism stems from Reuters not having reported it yet, from the BBC not having reported it yet, and from vox (who is left leaning and would usually be all over something like this) not having reported it yet. These reports may still come, but I've never been the type to rush to judgment, and prefer to have multiple reports from news organizations I trust, and not use Twitter as a reliable source of information.

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I posted a video of acting chief of DHS acknowledging this is happening but if you need to hear it from Reuters, well here you go.

As for CB93's incredulity, it's time for him to come to terms with what has become of the conservative movement. Trump has been threatening/promising to send in federal law enforcement to "crack down" on protesters for weeks now. There has not been significant Republican opposition and he sees this as a win for him.

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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - Federal law enforcement officers are cracking down on protesters in Portland, Oregon, under the Trump administration's new executive order to protect U.S. monuments in what the state's Democratic governor has called "political theater."

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A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) spokeswoman said on Friday agents had been deployed to Portland to support a newly launched U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unit, tasked with enforcing last month's executive order from Republican President Donald Trump to protect federal monuments and buildings.

The spokeswoman did not provide details, saying it could jeopardize the safety of agents, but said they had been trained for operations "in chaotic environments."

In addition to Border Patrol agents, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are helping DHS's Federal Protective Service, which provides security for federal buildings, ICE said.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown called it "a blatant abuse of power by the federal government,"
"This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety," Brown wrote on Twitter.

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Well, I think you are wrong on the conservative movement. I think you are right about the feckless Republican leaders if this is true and they continue to stay silent. The day of reckoning will come when the thing they fear the most, losing their Senate majority and losing their seat, will become true when enough conservatives will be fed up with the bull**** and give moderate Democrats a shot. Because it they continue to worship on the altar of Trump and betray their conservative values, then no amount of conservative judges will convince me to vote for any of these cowards or anyone who comes close to being unprincipled ever again. The only way the Democrats can screw this up is to take this opportunity to go so far left that people who are ready to jump get gun shy again.

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CB93 have you seen enough or are you still waiting for more evidence before condemning Republican leaders?

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I have seen enough. I have no love lost for "woke" white protesters defacing property and I do recognize that the federal police force have the right to protect federal building.

However, this is not it. And this is way over-reach by the federal government. I am a firm believer in strong state rights (including the protection that electoral college and senate provide), and this goes against my views on limited federal government.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I understand why people are defacing federal buildings or what they hope to accomplish with petty vandalism. A lot of it amounts to political theater.

But it shouldn't be an excuse for Republicans to justify creeping fascism.

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Maybe the real RINOs are not people like me but Republican senators who enable Trump.

These stormtrooper snatch and grabs are probably being filmed and edited for use in a tRump campaign ad pandering to his "the enemies are at the gate and only Dictator tRump can save us" supporters.

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https://twitter.com/MatthewKlug/status/1285081711865462784/photo/1

This event shows the ridiculousness of it all. A bunch of guys in body armor shooting rubber bullets at a naked lady.

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This looks like a bad photo shop job to me. She's so much smaller than the manhole cover and the crosswalk stripe she's sitting next to and the way she's backlit looks odd. While I'm very suspicious of the unmarked federal agents, this image doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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https://twitter.com/MatthewKlug/status/1285081711865462784/photo/1

This event shows the ridiculousness of it all. A bunch of guys in body armor shooting rubber bullets at a naked lady.

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This looks like a bad photo shop job to me. She's so much smaller than the manhole cover and the crosswalk stripe she's sitting next to and the way she's backlit looks odd. While I'm very suspicious of the unmarked federal agents, this image doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

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There are stories of this all over the Internet including actual video. It is not a fake photo.

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

"It hasn't been confirmed"

"It's fake"

"It's ok in this instance because. . ."

"It's not good but necessary right now because. . ."

"It's what they all do"

"It's what we've always done"

Probably Academi contractors. The same group that will comprise the Praetorian Guard when tRump doesn't leave.

This CANNOT be allowed to continue. If Trump thinks this will help him gain support, he is sadly mistaken.

I've never felt this way before. It's like the country is coming apart at the seams. Trump needs to be stopped. Now.

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

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This right here is the brilliance of someone who teaches at Cal Poly. Shocked it is not more prestigious with such high standards.

calbear93 said:

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

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This right here is the brilliance of someone who teaches at Cal Poly. Shocked it is not more prestigious with such high standards.

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Where do you teach?

Matthew Patel said:

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

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This right here is the brilliance of someone who teaches at Cal Poly. Shocked it is not more prestigious with such high standards.

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Where do you teach?

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Probably the same place you do. But what do you do? At least you know what I do, but I have no idea what you do other than post here.

calbear93 said:

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

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This right here is the brilliance of someone who teaches at Cal Poly. Shocked it is not more prestigious with such high standards.

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This comment is not very cool and you could have made your retort without making it so personal -- or dismissive of Cal Poly, which I understand to be a solid regional school (USWNR #4 regional university in the West).

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calbear93 said:

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Hmmm....sounds likely. It's on the internet so it must be true.

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Of course if tRump tweeted it you would believe it.

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This right here is the brilliance of someone who teaches at Cal Poly. Shocked it is not more prestigious with such high standards.

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This comment is not very cool and you could have made your retort without making it so personal -- or dismissive of Cal Poly, which I understand to be a solid regional school (USWNR #4 regional university in the West).

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OK, what about his original post was not personal or completely off base?

And this board mocks University of Arizona, University of Washington, USC, and even UCLA, but Cal Poly is somehow off limit? Why is that?

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This CANNOT be allowed to continue. If Trump thinks this will help him gain support, he is sadly mistaken.

I've never felt this way before. It's like the country is coming apart at the seams. Trump needs to be stopped. Now.

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Another Kent State is brewing. It's what Trump wants. He is taking another play out of Nixon's book.

calbear93 said:

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OK, what about his original post was not personal or completely off base?

And this board mocks University of Arizona, University of Washington, USC, and even UCLA, but Cal Poly is somehow off limit? Why is that?

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Don't forget Stanford!

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dimitrig said:

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https://twitter.com/MatthewKlug/status/1285081711865462784/photo/1

This event shows the ridiculousness of it all. A bunch of guys in body armor shooting rubber bullets at a naked lady.

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This looks like a bad photo shop job to me. She's so much smaller than the manhole cover and the crosswalk stripe she's sitting next to and the way she's backlit looks odd. While I'm very suspicious of the unmarked federal agents, this image doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

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There are stories of this all over the Internet including actual video. It is not a fake photo.

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OK, I found a video of the woman, so I agree it's not a fake. She has more courage than I do.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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There are stories of this all over the Internet including actual video. It is not a fake photo.

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OK, I found a video of the woman, so I agree it's not a fake. She has more courage than I do.

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sitting down? (another vid dint go there)