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Michelle & Barack---an arranged marriage--Barack was very single at the time ( I will allow you to google thew videos & pictures if they haven't been taken down) Bachelors simply can't be allowed to run for President. so---Barack was "cleaned up" for the unsuspecting masses in more ways than one. I will allow you to figure out the "other ways." Muslim??Probably--,Socialist or Communist???probably---( Please read his history) Antipathy toward whites???You bet--please see and hear his 8 years in office--egotistical???Every bit as Trump--directed federal agencies to spy on the Trump administration - as well as Trump and his family???You bet---Please see and read all the de-classified documents as well as the terrific IG report. Please see the repeated lies to the FISA court to spy on Trump, his family and Carter page who was a CIA asset who was being used by the CIA to spy on Russia---not for Russia..if Obama were a white conservative, he;'d be wearing black and white pinstripes in Sing Sing today instead of playing golf --with his rich friends on Marthas vineyard. Honest historians will not be so kind as the Whoopie Goldsbergs who make up the MSM.

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Holy ****. Or maybe holy shinola.

Michelle: "Oh---I'm so oppressed ' as she speaks from her mansion in marthas Vineyard--

So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

Dear Sy: Look at every major city in the US. Then look at what political party controls that city. Then look at the black communities in those cities. The standards for becoming responsible citizens are the same for all people regardless of race, creed or color.
1) Stay in school until you have a degree which renders you capable of getting decent work. If necessary, have at least two jobs until you are on your feet financially.
2) When you are solvent, consider marriage.
3) Thenhave children if that is your desire

4) Do the above in that exact order.


Today, roughly 75-90% of black kids are born intro one-parent families. Quite often, the black male is absent and the black mother is left to tend to an ever-increasing family. The "welfare" system, although conceived in good faith, only gives financial assistance to the family if the father its absent. This dependency cycle repeats itself for generations. Black males need Fathers in the home just as White males need their Fathers. Often in black families, even the Mother is absent and grandmothers and aunts are left to attend to larger and larger families.

It also wouldn't hurt to instill a reverence for all human life. Talk to anyone in the Medical community, and, they will tell you that, although black females comprise roughly 6% of our population, roughly 26% of abortioins occur in black families.
Mayors of cities with large black populations have very little incentive to introduce policies which would improve the lives of their Black constituents because they know, at election time, blacks automatically pull the lever for the Democrat. Consequently, money is spent on other constituencies in order to in fluence their votes come election time.

it also wouldn't hurt to allow all Black parents to send their kids to private charter schools in order to escape the one-size fits all public education system which rarely insists on discipline and rigorous academic standards.

Want proof??Listen to black athletes in the NBA and the NFL who are college graduates, and, if you are not embarrassed by their sentence structures, then I submit that you are perpetuating the bigotry of low expectations . If you demand high expectations, you usually get highj expectations as well as respect. No on e really respects systems off dependency

So---mr. sycasey--you asked--I hope this helps.

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Dear Sy: Look at every major city in the US. Then look at what political party controls that city. Then look at the black communities in those cities. The standards for becoming responsible citizens are the same for all people regardless of race, creed or color.
1) Stay in school until you have a degree which renders you capable of getting decent work. If necessary, have at least two jobs until you are on your feet financially.
2) When you are solvent, consider marriage.
3) Thenhave children if that is your desire

4) Do the above in that exact order.


Today, roughly 75-90% of black kids are born intro one-parent families. Quite often, the black male is absent and the black mother is left to tend to an ever-increasing family. The "welfare" system, although conceived in good faith, only gives financial assistance to the family if the father its absent. This dependency cycle repeats itself for generations. Black males need Fathers in the home just as White males need their Fathers. Often in black families, even the Mother is absent and grandmothers and aunts are left to attend to larger and larger families.

It also wouldn't hurt to instill a reverence for all human life. Talk to anyone in the Medical community, and, they will tell you that, although black females comprise roughly 6% of our population, roughly 26% of abortioins occur in black families.
Mayors of cities with large black populations have very little incentive to introduce policies which would improve the lives of their Black constituents because they know, at election time, blacks automatically pull the lever for the Democrat. Consequently, money is spent on other constituencies in order to in fluence their votes come election time.

it also wouldn't hurt to allow all Black parents to send their kids to private charter schools in order to escape the one-size fits all public education system which rarely insists on discipline and rigorous academic standards.

Want proof??Listen to black athletes in the NBA and the NFL who are college graduates, and, if you are not embarrassed by their sentence structures, then I submit that you are perpetuating the bigotry of low expectations . If you demand high expectations, you usually get highj expectations as well as respect. No on e really respects systems off dependency

So---mr. sycasey--you asked--I hope this helps.

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You seem to have missed the other part of my point, which is that the Obamas did almost exactly what you asked and now you criticize them for enjoying the fruit of their labors (golfing with rich friends, etc.) and claim their marriage is a sham. So apparently it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Dear Sy: Look at every major city in the US. Then look at what political party controls that city.

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Mayor of San Diego = Republican
Mayor of Miami = Republican
Mayor of Jacksonville = Republican
Mayor of El Paso = Republican
Mayor of Anaheim = Republican
Mayor of San Bernardino = Republican
Mayor of Fort Worth = Republican
Mayor of Tulsa = Republican

I am not sure where you are going with that...

Except for arguably San Diego none of these cities is particularly lovely and most have high crime rates - some significantly worse than average.

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Dear Sy: Look at every major city in the US. Then look at what political party controls that city. Then look at the black communities in those cities. The standards for becoming responsible citizens are the same for all people regardless of race, creed or color.
1) Stay in school until you have a degree which renders you capable of getting decent work. If necessary, have at least two jobs until you are on your feet financially.
2) When you are solvent, consider marriage.
3) Thenhave children if that is your desire

4) Do the above in that exact order.


Today, roughly 75-90% of black kids are born intro one-parent families. Quite often, the black male is absent and the black mother is left to tend to an ever-increasing family. The "welfare" system, although conceived in good faith, only gives financial assistance to the family if the father its absent. This dependency cycle repeats itself for generations. Black males need Fathers in the home just as White males need their Fathers. Often in black families, even the Mother is absent and grandmothers and aunts are left to attend to larger and larger families.

It also wouldn't hurt to instill a reverence for all human life. Talk to anyone in the Medical community, and, they will tell you that, although black females comprise roughly 6% of our population, roughly 26% of abortioins occur in black families.
Mayors of cities with large black populations have very little incentive to introduce policies which would improve the lives of their Black constituents because they know, at election time, blacks automatically pull the lever for the Democrat. Consequently, money is spent on other constituencies in order to in fluence their votes come election time.

it also wouldn't hurt to allow all Black parents to send their kids to private charter schools in order to escape the one-size fits all public education system which rarely insists on discipline and rigorous academic standards.

Want proof??Listen to black athletes in the NBA and the NFL who are college graduates, and, if you are not embarrassed by their sentence structures, then I submit that you are perpetuating the bigotry of low expectations . If you demand high expectations, you usually get highj expectations as well as respect. No on e really respects systems off dependency

So---mr. sycasey--you asked--I hope this helps.

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I'm embarrassed by your sentence structures. I don't want to doom you with low expectations. Try harder to be coherent. You can do it!

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Dear Sy: Look at every major city in the US. Then look at what political party controls that city. Then look at the black communities in those cities. The standards for becoming responsible citizens are the same for all people regardless of race, creed or color.
1) Stay in school until you have a degree which renders you capable of getting decent work. If necessary, have at least two jobs until you are on your feet financially.
2) When you are solvent, consider marriage.
3) Thenhave children if that is your desire

4) Do the above in that exact order.


Today, roughly 75-90% of black kids are born intro one-parent families. Quite often, the black male is absent and the black mother is left to tend to an ever-increasing family. The "welfare" system, although conceived in good faith, only gives financial assistance to the family if the father its absent. This dependency cycle repeats itself for generations. Black males need Fathers in the home just as White males need their Fathers. Often in black families, even the Mother is absent and grandmothers and aunts are left to attend to larger and larger families.

It also wouldn't hurt to instill a reverence for all human life. Talk to anyone in the Medical community, and, they will tell you that, although black females comprise roughly 6% of our population, roughly 26% of abortioins occur in black families.
Mayors of cities with large black populations have very little incentive to introduce policies which would improve the lives of their Black constituents because they know, at election time, blacks automatically pull the lever for the Democrat. Consequently, money is spent on other constituencies in order to in fluence their votes come election time.

it also wouldn't hurt to allow all Black parents to send their kids to private charter schools in order to escape the one-size fits all public education system which rarely insists on discipline and rigorous academic standards.

Want proof??Listen to black athletes in the NBA and the NFL who are college graduates, and, if you are not embarrassed by their sentence structures, then I submit that you are perpetuating the bigotry of low expectations . If you demand high expectations, you usually get highj expectations as well as respect. No on e really respects systems off dependency

So---mr. sycasey--you asked--I hope this helps.

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I'm embarrassed by your sentence structures. I don't want to doom you with low expectations. Try harder to be coherent. You can do it!

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I know, right? How could dumb NBA stars like LeBron James and Steph Curry possibly compete rhetorically?

Dear Casey: There are always exceptions to every rule. And, you are right about Curry and James. Although, James is a jerk for lionizing Communist China. so is Kerr---Trump is terrible, but, communist China is wonderful---tell that to the folks living in Communist china...Any bets on what they would say???

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So, you get to pick and choose which examples count?

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So, you get to pick and choose which examples count?

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Sycasey's statement isn't true, Obama also happens to be white.

Dear bearister: So now you want to cancel me??pretty rich coming from someone who used hitler, Trump and assassinations in the same sentence/paragraph. Pretty clever. Didn't fool me for one second. And, now, you are now discussing cancellations rather than engage in free-spirited debate??man!!You are clearly not aware of the first amendment. Perhaps you are confusing first base with the first amendment. I originally thought that someone in your family graded your bar exam..I think I flattered you. I'm beginning to think you took an on-line course when on vacation in Uganda.

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So, you get to pick and choose which examples count?

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I don't even understand why the above is supposed to make Obama "not count."

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Dear Casey: There are always exceptions to every rule. And, you are right about Curry and James. Although, James is a jerk for lionizing Communist China. so is Kerr---Trump is terrible, but, communist China is wonderful---tell that to the folks living in Communist china...Any bets on what they would say???

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I know, right? Who the f*** could possibly be so inconsistent about China?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53086042

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So, you get to pick and choose which examples count?

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I don't even understand why the above is supposed to make Obama "not count."

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"Success met with suspicion" applies to many politicians. What other examples do you have of "accomplished black people" that conservatives are suspicious of?

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So I'm trying to figure this out. When the African-American community talks about inequality keeping them poor, the conservative response is that all the opportunities are there and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But when highly accomplished black people like the Obamas actually do so, their success is met with suspicion and they are criticized for how much money they make. So is it bad or good when black folks do well in America? Is there actually a standard that would satisfy the Right?

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Pick someone else besides a politician who didn't have much before becoming President of the United States as your example and ask again.

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So, you get to pick and choose which examples count?

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I don't even understand why the above is supposed to make Obama "not count."

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"Success met with suspicion" applies to many politicians. What other examples do you have of "accomplished black people" that conservatives are suspicious of?

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Well, we had basically the entirety of the NFL and NBA player base mentioned in this very thread.

Moreover, I am not talking about disliking Obama's politics. I'm talking about nonsense like saying he shouldn't have rich friends or live in a wealthy area or that his marriage is fake. Isn't that supposed to be your reward for a life of hard work and success? Even before he entered politics, both Barack and Michelle Obama were accomplished professionals.

Dear Casey". Tr ump has been tougher on China than any other President in recent history. You are not entitled to your set of facts. Trump has been tougher on 'our allies" also--he has demanded that they meet their financial obligations regarding NATO. No other American President has made such demands. . If you are afraid of the Bear" invading your country, then you have the moral and contractual obligation of paying your fair share. why should American men and women fight in disproportionate numbers because our Western allies shirk their responsibilities. No thank you!!!We bailed you out of two world wars and now you are going to fight your own battles in numbers which reflect your numbers. Trump has also been much tougher on Iran and ISIS than Obama ever dreamed. Trump has also been more friendly toward Israel than any other presidents since 1948. Trump is mostly a hero in Israel. At one point, the approval rate for Obama in Israel was 4%!!!!!That's 4%!!! We also now know that Obama tried in vain to topple the Bibi government in Israel. how many Americans kn ow that????israelites know it!!!Again--you are entitled to your opinions--you are not entitled to your facts.

Dear Drizzly: preferring Diamond & Silk over Joe & Kamala simply means that I believe that Diamond & Silk have more integrity and more ideological consistency than someone who has severe dementia and someone who brazenly slept her way to the top. 98% of successful women did not sleep their way to the top. Kamala belongs to the 2% who did. Kamala is an affront to every successful women who rose to success the hard & fair way. I would be deeply disappointed in any woman who voted for Kamala. You do not reward this type of behavior. in a ethical society which still has some self-respect.

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Dear Drizzly: preferring Diamond & Silk over Joe & Kamala simply means that I believe that Diamond & Silk have more integrity and more ideological consistency than someone who has severe dementia and someone who brazenly slept her way to the top. 98% of successful women did not sleep their way to the top. Kamala belongs to the 2% who did. Kamala is an affront to every successful women who rose to success the hard & fair way. I would be deeply disappointed in any woman who voted for Kamala. You do not reward this type of behavior. in a ethical society which still has some self-respect.

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If I believed your statements were true, I'd have to be impressed that Kamala slept with millions of voters on her way to the top. That takes amazing stamina.

" At a campaign stop in Wisconsin last week, he warned baldly: "The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged."

He has also targeted the postal service. With the pandemic making physical distancing imperative, a record number of mail-in ballots is expected, meaning that the outcome is unlikely to be known on election night. Trump recently admitted that he was blocking money sought by Democrats for the postal service so he could stop people voting by mail....

... This week a bipartisan Senate intelligence report revealed the extent of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. It found that Paul Manafort, the former campaign chairman, worked closely with "Russian intelligence officer" Konstantin Kilimnik. US intelligence has warned that Russia is already interfering in the 2020 election with the aim of getting Trump re-elected.

But such threats currently appear less fundamental than that posed by a president gone rogue a man who this week welcomed the support of believers in a baseless righting conspiracy theory that holds the world is run by a shadowy cabal of Satan-worshipping paedophiles."


Trump v American democracy: the real battle on the ballot this November


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/23/donald-trump-v-democracy-us-election?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Dear Drizzly: preferring Diamond & Silk over Joe & Kamala simply means that I believe that Diamond & Silk have more integrity and more ideological consistency than someone who has severe dementia and someone who brazenly slept her way to the top. 98% of successful women did not sleep their way to the top. Kamala belongs to the 2% who did. Kamala is an affront to every successful women who rose to success the hard & fair way. I would be deeply disappointed in any woman who voted for Kamala. You do not reward this type of behavior. in a ethical society which still has some self-respect.

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If I believed your statements were true, I'd have to be impressed that Kamala slept with millions of voters on her way to the top. That takes amazing stamina.

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She's an entrepreneur- that's why Silicon Valley loves her.

Not 'millions"----just the right people. As in Willie Brown. And, this is the same woman who was badgering mr. Kavanaugh about his sexual history at the confirmation hearing. And, she had the audacity to do it with a straight face. This is what you get with Identity politics.

That post is as racist as it gets. Holy shinola

Dear Hanky: Blacks can be ridiculed as long as they are conservative. Please see Clarence Thomas. Also, women can be ridiculed as long as they are conservative Women. Please see any conservative women in the US. When the left drones on endlessly about "diversity and inclusion", what they really mean is you can be any race, color, creed or sexual orientation as long as you are not conservative/republican. God---what a scam..

Dear Golden: Your argument is very sloth-like. I noticed your post was very short on specifics. You don't persuade people they are wrong by calling them names. Please see Hillary. You persuade people by gently explaining to them why your policies are superior to theirs. And, be specific..This advice was free. I'll charge next time.

This narrative that Willie Brown somehow wields enough power to get someone positions as California Attorney General, United States Senator, and nominee for Vice President, is highly amusing.

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Michelle: "Oh---I'm so oppressed ' as she speaks from her mansion in marthas Vineyard--

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As opposed to Donald the Idiot: They're being mean to me, in Chief. Can he whine more because we just haven't heard his whine enough? We need a rational adult to lead the country, not a narcissistic two-year-old who doesn't seem to know the difference between right and wrong or fact versus fiction, because people's lives depend on a leader knowing the differences.

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Michelle: "Oh---I'm so oppressed ' as she speaks from her mansion in marthas Vineyard--

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As opposed to Donald the Idiot: They're being mean to me, in Chief. Can he whine more because we just haven't heard his whine enough? We need a rational adult to lead the country, not a narcissistic two-year-old who doesn't seem to know the difference between right and wrong or fact versus fiction, because people's lives depend on a leader knowing the differences.

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You aren't being fair ... to 2 year olds. Toddlers are inquisitive and constantly learning about the world around them. Two year olds can make emotional connections with other humans and are beginning to learn about the benefits of sharing and reciprocity. You can't say the same for Trump. His own family despises him and he's incapable of putting anyone's interests before his own even for a moment. When asked about his deceased brother, all he could say is how much the brother looked up to and supported DJT. Regardless of policy, anyone with half a brain can see how malignant Trump is and why he's dangerous at POTUS. Some Republicans look past it because the benefit from his grift (like Bannon, Manafort and others) or because he can easily be manipulated (donors, business leaders and Putin). There's a reason that virtually no one who has left the administration has anything good to say about him - only the small number of players still looking to cash in like Nikki Haley.

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And here at home, as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and a never-ending list of innocent people of color continue to be murdered...

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No mention of Patrick Underwood or David Dorn? Does Michelle even know?

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You aren't being fair ... to 2 year olds. Toddlers are inquisitive and constantly learning about the world around them. Two year olds can make emotional connections with other humans and are beginning to learn about the benefits of sharing and reciprocity.

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Democrats are the party that want to allow kids to vote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16

Pelosi says she backs lowering voting age to 16.

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You aren't being fair ... to 2 year olds. Toddlers are inquisitive and constantly learning about the world around them. Two year olds can make emotional connections with other humans and are beginning to learn about the benefits of sharing and reciprocity.

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Democrats are the party that want to allow kids to vote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/434115-pelosi-says-she-backs-lowering-voting-age-to-16

Pelosi says she backs lowering voting age to 16.

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Sounds good to me. Also bar people older than 75 from voting or holding office.