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The Benson Blog: Real Talk With Rod

June 16, 2023
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I want to thank everyone who contributed to my AMA in the Haas Pavilion message board. I’m glad I did it, because frankly, I didn’t realize how many people have the exact same set of questions. Nearly everyone mentioned that it was nice to see a former player get involved. Less people asked why I’m essentially the only player from my days who is involved in the program at all, even if it’s via Bear Insider. I had a moment of clarity on this last night, and decided to share today. We’re gonna get vulnerable (and long) for blog #2. 

A few days ago, I got an email from Cal Athletics. It was seeking donations for the new Excellence Initiative. Before I clicked on the email, I could see the subject line and preview and concluded it was like hundreds of emails I’ve gotten from Cal throughout the years asking for money. Sometimes I felt like I had it to give, other times (probably more times), I not only didn’t have anything to give, but I asked myself why the hell would I give in the first place? At this moment, I know I’m not in a “giving” position, so I was prepared to open and kindly reject the usual ask.

When I opened the email, I spit out my metaphorical coffee. I had never seen this level of ask before. The lowest ask was shocking, the highest ask felt unreal. My first thought was if the program gets that kind of money, they can’t lose! That level of investment is what the best programs around the country have, and that’s what it’s going to take. Not only the money but the energy commitment as well. If someone is giving that much, better believe they’re going to be invested (pun intended). 

I then thought about how that money might be spent. Not questioning it, because I assume the program knows where that money is most needed. It was more speculation based on what I know about the program. It could go directly to NIL, boosting our status with recruits across the country. It could go towards upgrading stuff. Lockers. Gear. The arena. Maybe that money could be used to hire specialists, throw events for alumni, or do big media buys. Man, it would be cool to see some of the same locker room stuff you see at schools like Texas. People used to fight for that tiny seat at the top of the south side of Haas. I was told that during my recruiting trip, and it turned out to be true. This is the type of money that achieves that. I’m in. 

I’m going to do this from time to time so that it’s clear: I LOVE THAT FOR US. The dollars. The numbers. All of it. That is not in question. Keep it rolling.

Then I stopped and asked myself a question: We spend so much time trying to buy players, what are we trying to sell them, really? Are we also selling them on what was sold to me? Are we selling them a job at a local place? An experience like nowhere else? A robust alumni network in the 10th largest media market in the country? 

Last summer, I did a reality dating show. For real. It was called “After Happily Ever After.” It was not good. The promise of beautiful ladies and an island was met with the reality of some very unsavory people and summer in Lexington, Kentucky. While we weren’t filming, we could take grocery runs. I’d be in the local Walmart shopping, and there would be a dozen or so other seven footers shopping. These weren’t kids, mind you. They had families and grey hair. It was clear to me that they must be former players who were incentivized to stay. Someone or something made it worth their while to never leave that place. I'm sure they aren’t even creative about it, but something is keeping black men from all over the country in Lexington for years. Lexington is ass. 

I then thought about giving relatively small amounts of money to former guys for them to contribute their work back to the program. I wondered, what if we brought in Joe Shipp as a shooting consultant? What if we paid Ayinde to run his training facility nearby? We then did the same for Devon Hardin, who now runs a post camp called “Debo On The Block.” I don’t even know what David Paris is working on, but I'm sure he could at least use advice. 

What if we then gave some money to Patrick Christoper to come in and be the team stylist? Yeah, a team stylist. Working with brands like NBA stylists do to give our guys access to the hottest gear for free, forever. Guys have money now, sure everyone is going to tell them how to save it, who’s going to tell them how to spend it well? How to spend it fun? This is an actual job NBA teams keep in-house. Would that not show how different we are? Would that not incentivize those guys to stay nearby? 

What if someone paid ME to bring a creative studio to the area? A spot that would be equal parts sports as it is art, and it is a cultural hub. In this space, I’d invite my artist, comedy, and celebrity friends to come and create stuff, along with the players from time to time. The space would be quickly known as the only one of its kind, and likely a major part of any recruiting trip. If Red Bull can have a team of people just doing things for hype, why can’t Cal? There are people literally trying to pay me to do this right now; to have a fantasy factory where everything that comes out of it is artistically disruptive and viral and brand-building in a meaningful way. TikTok followers sell things. Artistic disruption builds. 

I then thought about how Francisco Elson came to open gym exactly one time and it was like Jesus was instructing us. He didn’t teach us shit. He just played an NBA-style game and it worked so effortlessly against us. I was genuinely shocked and went home to study how the hell he did that to us. Francisco Elson. I’m not taking anything away from him, but would you expect that? Lamond Murray played with us a couple times and was telling Marquis Kately that in the NBA, you gotta get the ball up higher on the glass, because in the league, every big man had his elbow above the rim on blocks. That did two things: it informed Marquis of how high he had to get the ball and it informed me that I had to jump higher. True story. If those two days cost the program some money, I would consider that fucking worth it, because just having alumni show up in suits and polos for a steak dinner raised money, sure. But I never spoke to any of those alumni in a meaningful way. I got nothing from it. I hardly saw those people again. Alumni who show up because they want to and keep it real are the lifeblood of a program and are never forgotten.  

What’s wild is that you don’t even need to set up some sort of fund for former players. If any of you invested in them the way people on my recruiting trip promised, they would be around anyway. I want to say this twice. This isn’t even about money as much as it’s about connecting with us. How many of you knew about Ayinde’s training center? Have you taken your kids there? Has anyone reached out to Pat to see what they could do to help him get his business off the ground? Who’s going to have Theo work out their kids? He has NBA experience. I’ve been to mastermind retreats, I know how these things are done. Devin Hardin just asked me for advice about how to find equipment for his post game school. 

“You might not get cash, but someone is going to give you resources,” I told him.

“That’s actually all I need,” he replied. 

“But Rod! I’ve been in some meetings with important people who say we need to do it a certain way! It’s all about NIL cash. We can do all that and it won’t move the needle. Guys need a dollar amount and that’s it.”

That’s probably true. If we do it like everyone else then cash will be the bottom line. But I know that those people only know what they know. They are right, insofar that they are repeating strategies that work for others. It’s the same playbook. Basketball players are not thinking outside the box, ever. Sports are binary. The fans appreciate that about it. But that also means that I played on or against 47 teams that ran the triangle, and none of them were good at it. They just did what they thought worked. 

It also means that every time I was forward-thinking, someone older than me said it was rubbish. The NBA booted me for blogging and then held Social Media Awards three years later. Nobody knows anything about what they can’t see. But that’s what I actually do as an artist. I look at the room and ask “What isn’t here” instead of “How do I use what is?”

I just got off the phone with Sheldon Bailey. Sheldon and I have played together in the past. He’s actually widely known for two things: he’s Lebron James’ body double, and his son, Solo, is a highly-rated recruit in the class of 2024.

“Cal? I mean. It’s not about NIL I can tell you that. I mean, we would consider that, sure, but we care about other things,” he started.

“Well then what’s it about?” I asked. 

“Y’all don’t have any pub!” He started laughing before he continued.  

“For real! Like Stanford is right there and we know them. Nobody knows Cal. Also their alumni network. I want Solo to stay connected and what even is Cal’s network? It’s fucked up because it’s Cal! Y’all have a dope logo. But there’s just no connection there. Man, in fact tell Cal we would consider them! They ain't even reached out!”

Solomon Bailey is a 4 star recruit. Sheldon kept going for fifteen minutes. 

“I’m sure maybe you know, but I don’t know what they doing up there at Cal.”

Mind you, there’s a new staff. So Sheldon could be referring to past strategies. But still, he hit the exact beats I was thinking. Community, alumni engagement, and experience still matter. A lot. He, and a lot of other basketball dads (I know many) see the alumni connection as a huge indicator of a program's health and the future well-being of their sons. Further, Solo is an artist (like a lot of hoopers these days) and the appeal of a creative space sounded different to Sheldon. He admitted they would consider a place that offered creative endeavors above a school just offering money. Before our call was finished, I asked Sheldon if some of my ideas were foolish.

“Hell NO! I don’t care what kind of NIL money they have, if a place was offering any of that I don’t think I could stop Solo from choosing right now.”

Once again: I LOVE THAT WE HAVE THAT NIL POT. I LOVE FOR US. That is not in question. Keep it rolling.

Continuing…. Do you guys love having, AT BEST, a decent program year after year? Do you love it when former players stay away no matter what you do? Do you love arguing among one another about all the problems we have? Do you love hearing that our recruits (including probably when you heard my name) are less than you expected? Is this just part of your collective fan process? Is it actually enjoyable?

I’m actually curious. I’ve been around long enough to see some people literally make the same complaints from decades ago. After 20 years in and around the program, why does doing the same thing as everyone else the same way seem to be the prevailing wisdom in perpetuity? 

The former players have a lot of the answers. Don’t just invite guys like me back, ask us! I’m saying with so much certainty that there are meaningful ways to rebuild the Cal family, community, and most importantly its story. This would take minimal, if any, money, time, and energy. But we need you. We always have. Every single guy I called before writing this agrees. 

This isn’t about the program. This is about you. This is about me. We are the program. We are GROOT. I am also willing to invest what I have into you, and into this. That’s why I’m writing one of the longest pieces I’ve ever written publicly because I care. I’ve always cared. I show up to LA games all the time. I gave the Student-Athlete Commencement speech. I cried for a full hour after my last game when NC State knocked us out in the first round. When I got back home, I had hundreds of Facebook messages from Cal fans. The one I remember most read:

“I learned how to not jump at a fucking pump fake in fourth grade. Good job loser.”

That’s not us, but that’s what it feels like to play for a school and then walk away, never hearing from them again in a meaningful way. And no I don’t mean some aimless them. I also mean YOU. The people who said we were in this for life. Maybe there was a stipulation that we needed to make it to the NBA to continue the relationship.

We can change that with ease. I can help. Or, we can raise more money, compete in that market, and never look back. I’m actually fine with either. I have other things to do. But AJ aint showing his face. Dennis Gates ain’t coming. We’ll have to beg Jaylen Brown and Jason Kidd to come back every time they do. Forever. I’ll probably fade in and out when I have time, eventually showing up less and less like everyone else. But I ask, do we want that? Again?

Related:

The Benson Blog: Kicking Things Off

Bear Insider Podcast: Cal Hoops Recruiting Talk With Rod Benson

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The Benson Blog: Real Talk With Rod

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MoragaBear
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Lots of interesting food for thought from big Rod. What do you all think?
parentswerebears
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Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.
BlakeJ22
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Successful programs have a strong alumni presence year round, seems like this is in Madesn's wheelhouse. Great article, Thanks to Rod.
BeachedBear
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Sandy Barbour was a minor exception, but the last few ADs and Chancellors would generally blink at this idea of engagement and wonder how to get money out of it.

There are soooo many ways to engage that don't cost money. Rod is spot on. Its about relationships and energy and desire.
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> The Benson Blog: Real Talk With Rod

fiine post, thanks for sharing.

muting more than 300 handles, turnaround is fair play
ducky23
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parentswerebears said:

Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.


It's not just sports. We are notoriously awful when it comes to alumni networking in general. Never understood why
parentswerebears
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Huh. That is weird.
MoragaBear
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Probably just an extension of the sink or swim ethos we all had to deal with as students at Cal.
eAlchemist
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I've gotta say that this really disappoints me, that our Athlete Alumni feel this way. And, I agree with MoragaBear's assessment.
I'm a pretty big Cal fan. I have been since before I was a student. But, while we all wear some badge of honor for how we're not coddled like the Furd are, I think the general spirit of the staff on campus doesn't create the kind of long-term loyalty and allegiance that keeps people coming back to campus just for the love of their experience. That leaves the school dependent on sport success to bring people back more regularly. And… how's that working out for us?
It would be interesting to see if the Christ departure might usher in someone who understands how to change this.
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eAlchemist said:

I've gotta say that this really disappoints me, that our Athlete Alumni feel this way. And, I agree with MoragaBear's assessment.
I'm a pretty big Cal fan. I have been since before I was a student. But, while we all wear some badge of honor for how we're not coddled like the Furd are, I think the general spirit of the staff on campus doesn't create the kind of long-term loyalty and allegiance that keeps people coming back to campus just for the love of their experience. That leaves the school dependent on sport success to bring people back more regularly. And… how's that working out for us?
It would be interesting to see if the Christ departure might usher in someone who understands how to change this.


Cal hires non-alum hacks for positions in the AD who know nothing of our traditions when we should be hiring brilliant, creative alums like Rod Bensen. His ideas are great. Before NIL, alumni support for former players was legal, and we did nothing, but we can start now. We have lots of smart, creative alums in professional sports management who would be great as AD. We should have a sports management program as part of the Haas business school, with preference given to athletes.

We really missed out on Gates. He would have really brought back all the former players. However, I think Madsen gets it, even though he is a Furd. Make Marshawn the ambassador in football.

I've stated this in other threads, but I really think the key is that the athletic department needs to be controlled by the alums. It is different than the academic side, the chancellor is usually not very qualified to deal with it. Turn it over to a governing board made up of alums. Or better, outsource it (and the Learfield contract) to an alumni run non-profit. I think the later would be the most innovative: Cal fans would get votes and shares based on donations. It would really up the engagement level. If we did that, I wouldn't even worry about not getting into the B1G, we could go independent and new media savvy alums would come up with great ideas. We will be the East Bay's sports teams: football, basketball, baseball, soccer….
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Perfect ideas : leverage things that are authentic and are "intimate" seemingly small , but make a huge impact. on recruits, current players, players hosting recruits presenting the hoop team's "own specialt world".Having the former players deeply involved., Pat C Life Style!. $ managers that work with current and former CAL Pros!
Make a Brand that begins organically.
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This Alumni thing has always been a mystery, and it is at UCLA as well- the schools are too big and it requires a concentrated effort by the staff to bring tie ins like $ mgmt and post playing days connections.

Shouldn't there be billboards of local biz paying CAL players throughout the Bay Area, get the 10th guy in the rotation on a car dealership billboard NIL deal! Flood the area, Madsen has stated, the promo is that we are the team left to attend games, to attach to, & they will be a winner..

Please , the great Mr.Benson, keep your thoughts in front of MM. Thanks a ton!!
concordtom
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How much does Cal take in from ticket sales vs TV contract?

Make tickets cheap, fill Haas, recruits like that.
Right, Rod?
The_Ark
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I have been a longtime reader / mainly lurker since the days of Cyberbears.org but Rod Benson's blog entry was so spot on I find myself compelled to write this post.

I am an architect and have worked for many university clients over the years. While I am a hugely proud graduate of Cal and a fan of the institution / sports teams, I agree that there is way too little outreach to alumni done by the university. Yes, I get the fundraising emails and have contributed as best I could in the past, but I totally believe that the other way that we alums can give back (perhaps just as, if not more valuably, than donating our money) is our time / expertise / experience and our willingness to promote and better the school. I see other universities actively engaging their alumni in so many other ways.

As an example, one of my colleagues is a Cal Poly SLO architecture graduate and they have engaged him to sit on their Dean's Leadership Council, participate on campus design review boards and invite him to the school's annual Green & Gold fundraising / donor appreciation banquet. I've attended many of these events with him over the years because I've been working on the campus and I feel much more connected to Cal Poly in many ways than to my alma mater.

A big reason why is that at these events I have been able to engage with current students, faculty and administrators and see firsthand the exciting projects and activities happening on the SLO campus. We have several other Cal Poly grads in our office and they have had similar opportunities to participate in various campus committees, events and/or serve on student design juries.

I believe the most that I or any of the several Cal alums in my office have done in terms of engaging with the university is go to occasional Career Fair days to recruit new employees-- that's it. I have little to no idea of the state of the Architecture department at Cal that I love and that is concerning. It sounds like Rod feels similarly and we need to figure out how to change this in general at our beloved alma mater.

Thanks for the wake-up call, Rod Benson.
Go Bears!

BearGoggles
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ducky23 said:

parentswerebears said:

Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.


It's not just sports. We are notoriously awful when it comes to alumni networking in general. Never understood why

I've wondered the same as well as why alumni giving (i.e., percentage of alums who give) is so low (comparatively speaking). My theory is that a large part of the Cal culture is criticizing Cal and then there's an inherent bias that Cal doesn't need money because its a public school.

But my experience is that even in the business world there's very little networking.
HoopDreams
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agree, I've engaged with the Cal Athletic dept at the Associate AD level via email several times, but beyond the exchange of a short email dialogue its never gone beyond that despite my offer to help as a volunteer

I had lunch with an associate AD to suggest low hanging fruit improvements to game day experience and simple marketing/promotion, and besides one simple thing, I don't think they implemented anything

I've had a better experience on the academic and career side, where I've been invited to a classroom to speak and to participate as one of the leaders of some career events. The only other place Cal seeks the involvement of their alumni is the Cameron Institute

The point is I agree that Cal under utilizes their alumni. Instead they want donations to fund their internal efforts/programs

why they don't mine their own alumni was have expertise and experience, and would have a $200-$1000/hour billing rate in the business world is beyond me

The_Ark said:

I have been a longtime reader / mainly lurker since the days of Cyberbears.org but Rod Benson's blog entry was so spot on I find myself compelled to write this post.

I am an architect and have worked for many university clients over the years. While I am a hugely proud graduate of Cal and a fan of the institution / sports teams, I agree that there is way too little outreach to alumni done by the university. Yes, I get the fundraising emails and have contributed as best I could in the past, but I totally believe that the other way that we alums can give back (perhaps just as, if not more valuably, than donating our money) is our time / expertise / experience and our willingness to promote and better the school. I see other universities actively engaging their alumni in so many other ways.

As an example, one of my colleagues is a Cal Poly SLO architecture graduate and they have engaged him to sit on their Dean's Leadership Council, participate on campus design review boards and invite him to the school's annual Green & Gold fundraising / donor appreciation banquet. I've attended many of these events with him over the years because I've been working on the campus and I feel much more connected to Cal Poly in many ways than to my alma mater.

A big reason why is that at these events I have been able to engage with current students, faculty and administrators and see firsthand the exciting projects and activities happening on the SLO campus. We have several other Cal Poly grads in our office and others have had similar opportunities to participate in various campus committees, events and/or serve on student design juries.

I believe the most that I or any of the several Cal alums in my office have done in terms of engaging with the university is go to occasional Career Fair days to recruit new employees-- that's it. I have little to no idea of the state of the Architecture department at Cal that I love and that is concerning. It sounds like Rod feels similarly and we need to figure out how to change this in general at our beloved alma mater.

Thanks for the wake-up call, Rod Benson.
Go Bears!


MoragaBear
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The_Ark said:

I have been a longtime reader / mainly lurker since the days of Cyberbears.org but Rod Benson's blog entry was so spot on I find myself compelled to write this post.

I am an architect and have worked for many university clients over the years. While I am a hugely proud graduate of Cal and a fan of the institution / sports teams, I agree that there is way too little outreach to alumni done by the university. Yes, I get the fundraising emails and have contributed as best I could in the past, but I totally believe that the other way that we alums can give back (perhaps just as, if not more valuably, than donating our money) is our time / expertise / experience and our willingness to promote and better the school. I see other universities actively engaging their alumni in so many other ways.

As an example, one of my colleagues is a Cal Poly SLO architecture graduate and they have engaged him to sit on their Dean's Leadership Council, participate on campus design review boards and invite him to the school's annual Green & Gold fundraising / donor appreciation banquet. I've attended many of these events with him over the years because I've been working on the campus and I feel much more connected to Cal Poly in many ways than to my alma mater.

A big reason why is that at these events I have been able to engage with current students, faculty and administrators and see firsthand the exciting projects and activities happening on the SLO campus. We have several other Cal Poly grads in our office and others have had similar opportunities to participate in various campus committees, events and/or serve on student design juries.

I believe the most that I or any of the several Cal alums in my office have done in terms of engaging with the university is go to occasional Career Fair days to recruit new employees-- that's it. I have little to no idea of the state of the Architecture department at Cal that I love and that is concerning. It sounds like Rod feels similarly and we need to figure out how to change this in general at our beloved alma mater.

Thanks for the wake-up call, Rod Benson.
Go Bears!
Post more often, Ark! Speaking of Cal Poly, my daughter committed there without a visit and couldn't understand for the life of her why a school with a great architecture program and scenic location could have such a utilitarian and borderline ugly campus when she got there for school. She was depressed the whole first semester. She's about to get her masters in speech pathology at SF State and was marveling how much nicer a campus it was when she did a walk-through with my wife this week.

Have there been any discussions about slowly rethinking and rebuilding campus at SLO?
stu
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MoragaBear said:

... Speaking of Cal Poly, my daughter committed there without a visit and couldn't understand for the life of her why a school with a great architecture program and scenic location could have such a utilitarian and borderline ugly campus when she got there for school. She was depressed the whole first semester. She's about to get her masters in speech pathology at SF State and was marveling how much nicer a campus it was when she did a walk-through with my wife this week.

Have there been any discussions about slowly rethinking and rebuilding campus at SLO?
Hard to predict what might be a turn-on or turn-off for kids. And all kids are different. Good thing transfers aren't difficult.
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stu said:

MoragaBear said:

... Speaking of Cal Poly, my daughter committed there without a visit and couldn't understand for the life of her why a school with a great architecture program and scenic location could have such a utilitarian and borderline ugly campus when she got there for school. She was depressed the whole first semester. She's about to get her masters in speech pathology at SF State and was marveling how much nicer a campus it was when she did a walk-through with my wife this week.

Have there been any discussions about slowly rethinking and rebuilding campus at SLO?
Hard to predict what might be a turn-on or turn-off for kids. And all kids are different. Good thing transfers aren't difficult.
The turn-on for me at Cal Poly was the high quality of the co-eds
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BearGoggles said:

ducky23 said:

parentswerebears said:

Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.


It's not just sports. We are notoriously awful when it comes to alumni networking in general. Never understood why

I've wondered the same as well as why alumni giving (i.e., percentage of alums who give) is so low (comparatively speaking). My theory is that a large part of the Cal culture is criticizing Cal and then there's an inherent bias that Cal doesn't need money because its a public school.

But my experience is that even in the business world there's very little networking.
An admittedly dated example that reinforces your experience:
  • I graduated with a BS from Cal in 1976. I received no alumni communication for years until moving back into California in 1992. At that point things started to arrive as if by magic - no doubt due to the university suddenly needing to ramp up alumni donations due to decreased state funding?
  • I graduated from U of Michigan with an MBA in 1980. I probably received the first alumni newsletter or whatever within three months and have been bombarded ever since: from the university, from the B-School, etc. I've never sent them a change of address form but the stuff follows me relentlessly. I was an (admittedly small) annual donor, but eventually switched my (again, small $) focus back to Cal's engineering school.
So, we have Michigan continually nurturing that alumni relationship from the minute I walked out the door compared to Cal, who tried to kick-start it after ignoring me for 16 years. I'm sure Cal's alumni outreach is better now than it was, but they largely pissed away their connection to the entire boomer cohort of alumni only to try and rebuild it years later.

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MoragaBear said:

The_Ark said:

I have been a longtime reader / mainly lurker since the days of Cyberbears.org but Rod Benson's blog entry was so spot on I find myself compelled to write this post.

I am an architect and have worked for many university clients over the years. While I am a hugely proud graduate of Cal and a fan of the institution / sports teams, I agree that there is way too little outreach to alumni done by the university. Yes, I get the fundraising emails and have contributed as best I could in the past, but I totally believe that the other way that we alums can give back (perhaps just as, if not more valuably, than donating our money) is our time / expertise / experience and our willingness to promote and better the school. I see other universities actively engaging their alumni in so many other ways.

As an example, one of my colleagues is a Cal Poly SLO architecture graduate and they have engaged him to sit on their Dean's Leadership Council, participate on campus design review boards and invite him to the school's annual Green & Gold fundraising / donor appreciation banquet. I've attended many of these events with him over the years because I've been working on the campus and I feel much more connected to Cal Poly in many ways than to my alma mater.

A big reason why is that at these events I have been able to engage with current students, faculty and administrators and see firsthand the exciting projects and activities happening on the SLO campus. We have several other Cal Poly grads in our office and others have had similar opportunities to participate in various campus committees, events and/or serve on student design juries.

I believe the most that I or any of the several Cal alums in my office have done in terms of engaging with the university is go to occasional Career Fair days to recruit new employees-- that's it. I have little to no idea of the state of the Architecture department at Cal that I love and that is concerning. It sounds like Rod feels similarly and we need to figure out how to change this in general at our beloved alma mater.

Thanks for the wake-up call, Rod Benson.
Go Bears!
Post more often, Ark! Speaking of Cal Poly, my daughter committed there without a visit and couldn't understand for the life of her why a school with a great architecture program and scenic location could have such a utilitarian and borderline ugly campus when she got there for school. She was depressed the whole first semester. She's about to get her masters in speech pathology at SF State and was marveling how much nicer a campus it was when she did a walk-through with my wife this week.
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Have there been any discussions about slowly rethinking and rebuilding campus at SLO?6
Both my sons went to Cal Poly and enjoyed it. They were in business and engineering, respectively, which benefitted from more new construction than some other parts of the campus. As you probably saw, a lot of the beauty is in the area, not the campus. A hike up Bishop's Peak is something every parent should do with their kids. When we went on a pre-enrollment tour of the place with a student guide, one of the other parents expressed the concern that some Cal Poly courses were impacted and students had difficulty graduating in four years. The guide's reply was priceless, "We like to say that graduating Cal Poly in four years is like leaving the party at 9PM!"
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True and don't try and change majors, either. That was a rough experience for my daughter who came in as an Environment Science major and switched to English/Spanish to prep her to get her masters in Speech Pathology to be a bilingual speech therapist. It took over a year to get approved and some tricky schedule maneuvering. The AP credits she brought in from Campolindo helped bridge that situation so she could graduate in 4. But we've digressed here I'm afraid.

Back to Rod's blog!
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HearstMining said:

BearGoggles said:

ducky23 said:

parentswerebears said:

Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.


It's not just sports. We are notoriously awful when it comes to alumni networking in general. Never understood why

I've wondered the same as well as why alumni giving (i.e., percentage of alums who give) is so low (comparatively speaking). My theory is that a large part of the Cal culture is criticizing Cal and then there's an inherent bias that Cal doesn't need money because its a public school.

But my experience is that even in the business world there's very little networking.
An admittedly dated example that reinforces your experience:
  • I graduated with a BS from Cal in 1976. I received no alumni communication for years until moving back into California in 1992. At that point things started to arrive as if by magic - no doubt due to the university suddenly needing to ramp up alumni donations due to decreased state funding?
  • I graduated from U of Michigan with an MBA in 1980. I probably received the first alumni newsletter or whatever within three months and have been bombarded ever since: from the university, from the B-School, etc. I've never sent them a change of address form but the stuff follows me relentlessly. I was an (admittedly small) annual donor, but eventually switched my (again, small $) focus back to Cal's engineering school.
So, we have Michigan continually nurturing that alumni relationship from the minute I walked out the door compared to Cal, who tried to kick-start it after ignoring me for 16 years. I'm sure Cal's alumni outreach is better now than it was, but they largely pissed away their connection to the entire boomer cohort of alumni only to try and rebuild it years later.




It's not just a lack of outreach from the university.

It's how we treat each other once we're out in the real world. For all its faults, usc does an incredible job of taking care of its own. Of creating mentorship and networking opportunities. We dominate the Bay Area and Silicon Valley. It shouldn't be as hard as it is for recent grads to get started. But it is.
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ducky23 said:

HearstMining said:

BearGoggles said:

ducky23 said:

parentswerebears said:

Those are a ton of good suggestions. My instant reaction is, but Cal…. If the AD could be a little bit creative…. It is the weirdest thing that somewhere with such brilliance and with so many ties to people who have broken molds in so many ways can't see past their noses when it comes to sports. Completely blows my mind.


It's not just sports. We are notoriously awful when it comes to alumni networking in general. Never understood why

I've wondered the same as well as why alumni giving (i.e., percentage of alums who give) is so low (comparatively speaking). My theory is that a large part of the Cal culture is criticizing Cal and then there's an inherent bias that Cal doesn't need money because its a public school.

But my experience is that even in the business world there's very little networking.
An admittedly dated example that reinforces your experience:
  • I graduated with a BS from Cal in 1976. I received no alumni communication for years until moving back into California in 1992. At that point things started to arrive as if by magic - no doubt due to the university suddenly needing to ramp up alumni donations due to decreased state funding?
  • I graduated from U of Michigan with an MBA in 1980. I probably received the first alumni newsletter or whatever within three months and have been bombarded ever since: from the university, from the B-School, etc. I've never sent them a change of address form but the stuff follows me relentlessly. I was an (admittedly small) annual donor, but eventually switched my (again, small $) focus back to Cal's engineering school.
So, we have Michigan continually nurturing that alumni relationship from the minute I walked out the door compared to Cal, who tried to kick-start it after ignoring me for 16 years. I'm sure Cal's alumni outreach is better now than it was, but they largely pissed away their connection to the entire boomer cohort of alumni only to try and rebuild it years later.




It's not just a lack of outreach from the university.

It's how we treat each other once we're out in the real world. For all its faults, usc does an incredible job of taking care of its own. Of creating mentorship and networking opportunities. We dominate the Bay Area and Silicon Valley. It shouldn't be as hard as it is for recent grads to get started. But it is.
I agree - I just didn't want to make my previous post any longer. I worked for HP for >25 years in technical groups (and subsequently for a couple of other companies) and the networking I observed wasn't based on school affiliation. Maybe it's different with the newer generation of tech companies, although my kids haven't seen it and they've been in the field for 10-12 years. Lots of networking is based on working together at previous employers. In tech, once you've worked a couple of years, nobody seems to pay attention to where you got your degree.
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Its even worse than no outreach. It's actual push back AGAINST passionate volunteers who ask to help. Mostly the Athletic Department, but also some of the academic departments.

I was very involved in the music departments and groups as a student and alumni - that was a wonderful exception. Seemed like a lot of alumni support and outreach there.
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MoragaBear said:

True and don't try and change majors, either. That was a rough experience for my daughter who came in as an Environment Science major and switched to English/Spanish to prep her to get her masters in Speech Pathology to be a bilingual speech therapist. It took over a year to get approved and some tricky schedule maneuvering. The AP credits she brought in from Campolindo helped bridge that situation so she could graduate in 4. But we've digressed here I'm afraid.

Back to Rod's blog!
My understanding is that nowadays the student entering Cal Poly SLO must declare a major before admission, and can not change majors thereafter. If a student wants to change majors, he must transfer out to another school. Can Cal students readily change majors? I notice that most of the younger players on the Cal team have not declared a major.

One thing that used to be in the Cal student's favor was that the undecided student could change majors more than once. Some of us were not as certain of our career path as others. I was perhaps the least mature of all, because I was interested in many subjects equally. I started in physics, changed to history, and then changed to engineering, graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering. The advantage (if it is one) I had over the students nowadays, is that it that the cost of education was so much lower in my day, that I could work my way through school, supporting myself with various jobs. It took me 5-1/2 years. Not every student knows at age 17 what they want to do in life. My father decided at age 12, he would become an Architect. I did not actually figure out that I wanted to be an engineer until long after graduating from Cal. I envy people who are called early in life to some career, but I sympathize with your daughter in pursuing her path. I wish her much success.
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Goldener Bar said:

stu said:

MoragaBear said:

... Speaking of Cal Poly, my daughter committed there without a visit and couldn't understand for the life of her why a school with a great architecture program and scenic location could have such a utilitarian and borderline ugly campus when she got there for school. She was depressed the whole first semester. She's about to get her masters in speech pathology at SF State and was marveling how much nicer a campus it was when she did a walk-through with my wife this week.

Have there been any discussions about slowly rethinking and rebuilding campus at SLO?
Hard to predict what might be a turn-on or turn-off for kids. And all kids are different. Good thing transfers aren't difficult.
The turn-on for me at Cal Poly was the high quality of the co-eds
When my best friend and I graduated from high school, we were both accepted at Cal and to Cal Tech. I was also accepted to MIT. We were discussing where to go, and he asked me, "What kind of girls do you think we will find at Cal Tech?" It was a no-brainer, and so we both decided to attend Cal.

The girls at Cal were our downfall. My girlfriend left me for her old boyfriend, and I was so broken-hearted, I nearly flunked out. I left school for a year to work in a factory in San Diego. In San Diego, the ratio of single men to single women was about 100 to one, so girls were unavailable, and I prospered. Returned to Berkeley with blinders on, I studied hard, got my best grades ever, and graduated.

My friend was dumped at Cal by his girlfriend as well. He had this habit of always wearing a clean shirt and clean pair of pants. His underwear was different. After he wore underwear once, he placed in the one day pile. After he wore it a second time, he put it into the 2-day pile. After he wore it a 3rd time, it went into the 3-day pile. Near the end of the semester, I found him on campus, sitting on a bench, with his head down, looking despondent. I asked him what was wrong, and he said his girlfriend had left him. I asked him what happened. "Well, I needed to get dressed, and so I went into the 7-day pile to get some underwear, and she just couldn't take it anymore." He too nearly flunked out. He transferred to Davis, which apparently had few desirable women. He too had an epiphany, buried himself in his books, and got out of there with a PhD in Genetics, which led to a long career as a well-known professor at the Technion in Israel.
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SFCityBear said:

MoragaBear said:

True and don't try and change majors, either. That was a rough experience for my daughter who came in as an Environment Science major and switched to English/Spanish to prep her to get her masters in Speech Pathology to be a bilingual speech therapist. It took over a year to get approved and some tricky schedule maneuvering. The AP credits she brought in from Campolindo helped bridge that situation so she could graduate in 4. But we've digressed here I'm afraid.

Back to Rod's blog!
My understanding is that nowadays the student entering Cal Poly SLO must declare a major before admission, and can not change majors thereafter. If a student wants to change majors, he must transfer out to another school. Can Cal students readily change majors? I notice that most of the younger players on the Cal team have not declared a major.

One thing that used to be in the Cal student's favor was that the undecided student could change majors more than once. Some of us were not as certain of our career path as others. I was perhaps the least mature of all, because I was interested in many subjects equally. I started in physics, changed to history, and then changed to engineering, graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering. The advantage (if it is one) I had over the students nowadays, is that it that the cost of education was so much lower in my day, that I could work my way through school, supporting myself with various jobs. It took me 5-1/2 years. Not every student knows at age 17 what they want to do in life. My father decided at age 12, he would become an Architect. I did not actually figure out that I wanted to be an engineer until long after graduating from Cal. I envy people who are called early in life to some career, but I sympathize with your daughter in pursuing her path. I wish her much success.
SFCityBear, cool stories and also to answer your question about Cal students changing majors: It is definitely possible and many do, but highly dependent on the college. L&S is fairly easy, and many students double major. CoE on the other hand is fairly difficult & there are generally associated thresholds to hit, such as GPA, certain amounts of classes in the new major that must be taken before applying to change, etc.
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The biggest reason around poor alumni research is salary pay+workload. Get beyond leadership positions and UC admin/entry level salary pay is around $45-60k. That puts you just around the poverty line in the Bay Area. And because of the low salaries, they're ultimately understaffed, leading to one person doing the job of many.

Our lack of investment in sports for decades has also made it hard to create a pipeline of alum cheerleaders who will be willing to sacrifice wages to pump for the schools. They'd rather work in tech, or pursue more traditional careers to put their money in the bank. I know plenty of talented young alum who spent 2-3 years at Berkeley in relatively important non-senior positions who eventually went elsewhere to get better wages.

And the impact is cyclical. Low sales --> low investment --> low justification for increasing staffing support --> low sales.

So you end up with those using Berkeley as a stepping stone in charge.
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so how does that explain not accepting volunteer help?

LessMilesMoreTedford said:

The biggest reason around poor alumni research is salary pay+workload. Get beyond leadership positions and UC admin/entry level salary pay is around $45-60k. That puts you just around the poverty line in the Bay Area. And because of the low salaries, they're ultimately understaffed, leading to one person doing the job of many.

Our lack of investment in sports for decades has also made it hard to create a pipeline of alum cheerleaders who will be willing to sacrifice wages to pump for the schools. They'd rather work in tech, or pursue more traditional careers to put their money in the bank. I know plenty of talented young alum who spent 2-3 years at Berkeley in relatively important non-senior positions who eventually went elsewhere to get better wages.

And the impact is cyclical. Low sales --> low investment --> low justification for increasing staffing support --> low sales.

So you end up with those using Berkeley as a stepping stone in charge.
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