Earlier this week, we did a little Q&A for the boys at warblogle.com and today, they returned the favor, answering their questions in reverse.
Here’s the Auburn take for your reading pleasure.
What’s the first thing an Auburn fan thinks of when Cal football comes to mind?
I think of Marshawn Lynch, Aaron Rodgers, and the yellow and blue color scheme. I picture a smaller Rose Bowl that's probably not full, but a pretty campus. I think of okay football.
What’s the vibe like in Auburn after the lopsided win over UMass?
Fans are happy but cautious. They know what Auburn beat, but we also didn't really know what to expect in Game 1, but everything was pretty much as positive as it could be.
Name two Auburn Tigers that Cal fans should look out for and why?
Eugene Asante is a junior LB that transferred from UNC this past season. He wasn't a name you heard a lot in Fall camp, but had tons of tackles and a really smart block on a punt return against UMass. Is he a gamechanger? Maybe, but he's definitely not a name many people were looking at.
This is obvious, but he's new so it still counts. Payton Thorne wasn't asked to do a ton last week, but he obviously has the arm talent and was able to scramble out of trouble the few times he got in it.
Which two Cal Bears worry you the most?
The running back that ran his mouth is the only player I know.
Where does Cal have an advantage in this game?
Home field advantage. The very late start time. The travel Auburn is doing right now. That's it.
Where will Auburn excel most against the Cal?
Size and speed. Pretty much the most important parts of the game.
Who are your two favorite Cal Bears of all time and why?
The only two names I know: Marshawn Lynch and Aaron Rodgers. Oh, and the guy who hit the trombone player because that's just funny.
What is your score prediction/analysis for this game?
The Cal fans will be excited for the first quarter and it will be close, but eventually the difference in talent will show up. Auburn wins 34-14.
Where will Auburn and Cal end up this year?
Auburn will be in the Capital One Bowl at minimum, with at least 9 wins. Cal will go 8-4 and play in the Sun Bowl.
What do you think about Hugh Freeze?
He has brought excitement to the football program quickly. He is basically doing what Bruce Pearl has done. He knows he's gotten a 2nd chance at a big school and he won't take it for granted. People are rallying around him and believe in his coaching and recruiting ability.
Earlier in the week, we answered their questions for us. Here was our response:
What’s the first thing a Cal fan thinks of when Auburn football comes to mind?
SEC football with a pretty strong winning tradition. Cal fans have been looking forward to this home and home series for years and will travel well to Auburn.
What’s the vibe like in Berkeley after the monumental win over North Texas?
Many Cal people like myself saw the ingredients for a pretty solid football team this season, particularly with all the key portal additions, but spring ball and fall camp can only tell you so much. Sometimes you just need to see the team play against someone else instead of your own team to know what you’ve got. The big win was a relief. Cal often plays down to their underdog opponents in recent years so to win by 37 made a lot of people breathe a sigh of relief.
Name two Golden Bears that Auburn fans should look out for and why?
I’ll go with one on O and one on D. On offense, Jeremiah Hunter is a future NFL receiver. Smooth, great hands, consistent and tough to cover. On D, many would go with 1st team all-Pac 12 MLB Jackson Sirmon but in this case, I’ll go with CB Nohl Williams. He’s another future NFL guy who’s tough to beat in coverage and brings some swag to the field as well.
Which two Auburn Tigers worry you the most?
I’ll go with Hunter on offense if he plays. I think he may have the most upside of the Tiger backs. And on defense, I’ll go with Keionte Scott. Cal really liked him coming out of JC and he’s a versatile weapon at CB or nickel and on returns.
Where does Cal have an advantage in this game?
I’ll go with Cal’s run game against the front 6. They didn’t play the run very well against an inferior UMass team and Cal has a lot of weapons in the backfield, particularly RB Jaydn Ott, another future NFL guy.
Where will Auburn excel most against the Cal?
To me, it’s a tossup between Auburn’s rushing game against Cal’s front 7 or Auburn’s backfield against Cal’s passing game. Auburn may well come out on top in one or both of those categories.
Who are your two favorite Auburn Tigers of all time and why?
Gotta go with Kevin Greene to start. He was an animal. And of course, Bo Jackson for both football and baseball. One of the best pure athletes of all time.
What is your score prediction/analysis for this game?
After getting a better look at both teams last weekend and due to the late night game at home for Cal, I’ll go with Cal 31 Auburn 27. If you asked me last week, I’d have probably reversed the score.
Where will Auburn and Cal end up this year?
I’ll go with 7-5 regular season for both with both in middling bowl games.
What do you think about Hugh Freeze?
Great coach with a questionable past he’ll have to shake off by running a clean ship for at least a few years IMO and a great staff. Very strong recruiter, too, particularly in the portal this year. Probably didn’t make the best decision in referring to Cal’s defense as essentially basic, where Auburn knows what they’ll be seeing.
As a bonus, earlier this week, we did a podcast with Auburn’s Up Tempo Live Podcast. Our segment starts at the 4 minute mark:
Where did you get any of that from what I said? I asked a question and gave all the information I had about the situation. In what world is saying "I don't know the story of what happened" the equivalent of saying "I agree unequivocally with any action they took"?
They've kept a lid on everything, they haven't released the names of all the suspended students and Freeze refuses to announce why Hunter and the other players haven't being allowed to play or when they will return to action. I didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not by asking "why does that deserve a suspension?" Obviously, it takes a lot for a star player to get suspended by Hugh Freeze, who personally has a long record of NCAA violations and personal sexual misconduct starting when he was a high school coach. He was accused of inapprpriate sexualized conduct with three high school girls. He resigned at UMiss and the school was forced to forfeit 30 games. At Liberty, there was widespread sexual misconduct by members of his football team. Now he is at Auburn and the sex tape 5 are probably about to grace Memorial statdium.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
Native Californian here and a few years after our home-and-home with the Vols I bought a place outside Knoxville, at the base of the Smoky Mountains. It's astonishingly beautiful, so green and scenic. My wife, who is not from the US, remains amazed at how warm and caring people are, neighbors most notably, but just in general...
We still live in the Bay Area because my parents are here, in their 80s, and our two little ones are in sports teams, in school and clubs, have friends, et al. Leaving for a hoops tournament in one hour actually. I showed them Faragut HS in Knoxville, which is quite highly regarded academically as well as for athletics, but nope. I'd need to buy another house in the Faragut area of Knoxville too... Not ideal for us. We prefer the more rural setting of the current place. Knoxville's airport is near and we have nothing but great experiences there. With direct flights to desirable locations, including Boston, it's an ideal spot as I'm now looking to get a place on the Azores (direct from Logan). Being up nearly 1,000', the weather is darn nice year around. Tornadoes are not an issue and the GSMs take the brunt of any hurricanes going in that direction. There are no chronic drought concerns and at least in that area on TN, electrical outages are super minimal. The neighbors, some quite old, said fires have not been an issue there. Having lived under the fear of fires, evacuated twice, most recently in 2020 during the pandemic, that was so nice to hear... And given the topography, flooding is not a concern also. It's a darn sweet location and we look forward to living there someday. Cost of living too, wow!
Sounds like you got something really special in Alabama too; and you're actually there already. I'm envious.
With the ACC deal, having a house out "there" is pretty cool for that reason too. Enjoy.
My SO's family is from Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee. Her cousin went to Auburn instead of Bama which pissed off her uncle. Her cousin (who is now an engineer for the electric company) said: "Dad, it's just a better school." I haven't spoken to those folks in years for various reasons. I wonder if they will watch the game. They used to confuse Cal and UCLA all the time. Maybe this will help.
I owned a house in Alabama about an hour from Birmingham that we bought from a relative. We used it for a rental for a while before finally selling. I don't care for Alabama at all. There are some good people there but a lot of them are judgmental bigots who are only nice to your face. This is a place where "Bless your heart" sounds nice but is actually an insult. I will leave it at that. It is slowly changing, though. Too slow for my taste.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Lifelong California South Bay resident here since the 60s (my folks - born in the 1920s - were/are Bay Area born & raised, too). We visited Huntsville this past April to attend our son's competition, and were delighted with the whole experience. Beautiful, safe town with fabulous facilities and super friendly folks. We spent most of our time around their performance center - huge, modern complex that houses a symphony & iirc opera company, but that weekend was hosting some kind of comicon event. I suffered a lot of eye-rolling from my son for my inability to identify any of the dressed-up attendees wandering the streets. We also made it out to the rocket center, which was an entertaining and informative experience.
I'm hoping our son has another event out there, as I would gladly spend more time in Huntsville, and I'm sorry we didn't have time to sneak up into Tennessee for a look-around or farther south to check out more of Alabama.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
To any Auburn fans: the posters Boot and falseintellect are not actual Cal fans. They are staging a false flag maneuver to make Cal fans seem bigoted, intolerant and unwelcoming. We are not.
Boot and falseintellect are actually noms de plume for someone we call AMY. It's a long story. AMY lives in his parent's basement. He applied to Cal and didn't get in. He apparently attended UC Davis which is a respectable university in northern California but not quite as selective as Cal (UC Berkeley). AMY pretends to be a Cal fan but actually harbors long simmering hatred and resentment. He insults other fan bases to try to harm Cal's reputation. Please do not feed the flamer. I'm sure you have some idiots on your message boards as well.
99% of Cal fans welcome all of the Auburn fans to our alma mater. Have a great time this weekend. We hope it's an exciting and well-played game with no serious injuries to the players on either team.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Lifelong California South Bay resident here since the 60s (my folks - born in the 1920s - were/are Bay Area born & raised, too). We visited Huntsville this past April to attend our son's competition, and were delighted with the whole experience. Beautiful, safe town with fabulous facilities and super friendly folks. We spent most of our time around their performance center - huge, modern complex that houses a symphony & iirc opera company, but that weekend was hosting some kind of comicon event. I suffered a lot of eye-rolling from my son for my inability to identify any of the dressed-up attendees wandering the streets. We also made it out to the rocket center, which was an entertaining and informative experience.
I'm hoping our son has another event out there, as I would gladly spend more time in Huntsville, and I'm sorry we didn't have time to sneak up into Tennessee for a look-around or farther south to check out more of Alabama.
My wife and I moved to Huntsville from California 8 years ago. I have zero regrets. Our house is a five minute drive to a large state park with 23 miles of well groomed trails. This morning we walked the dogs in the woods then came home for breakfast. We sold a studio condo in the city and bought a 3 bedroom house in a nice neighborhood with 50K left over. My pay is about the same as in California but with a 4% state income tax instead of 10% and property taxes of only $2000/year, we are much better off. Huntsville has a clean, modern airport with non-stop flights to Chicago, Denver, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Charlotte and Washington DC. Big name entertainment comes to us. When we attend a concert we leave our house 15 minutes before the show, park for free and walk to the venue. Our car has never been broken into. Almost everyone in town is a football fan, probably 50% Auburn fans, 40% Bama fans and 10% other. Because of the concentration of defense, aerospace (NASA, the Arsenal) in Huntsville, a large percentage of the city population is very well educated and many of us moved to Alabama from other states. There are false flag operations being waged by some posters (eg.,Boot, falseintellect) to antagonize visitors and generally play to the stereotype that Cal grads are intolerant, conceited, and narrow minded. Ignore them.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Lifelong California South Bay resident here since the 60s (my folks - born in the 1920s - were/are Bay Area born & raised, too). We visited Huntsville this past April to attend our son's competition, and were delighted with the whole experience. Beautiful, safe town with fabulous facilities and super friendly folks. We spent most of our time around their performance center - huge, modern complex that houses a symphony & iirc opera company, but that weekend was hosting some kind of comicon event. I suffered a lot of eye-rolling from my son for my inability to identify any of the dressed-up attendees wandering the streets. We also made it out to the rocket center, which was an entertaining and informative experience.
I'm hoping our son has another event out there, as I would gladly spend more time in Huntsville, and I'm sorry we didn't have time to sneak up into Tennessee for a look-around or farther south to check out more of Alabama.
My wife and I moved to Huntsville from California 8 years ago. I have zero regrets. Our house is a five minute drive to a large state park with 23 miles of well groomed trails. This morning we walked the dogs in the woods then came home for breakfast. We sold a studio condo in the city and bought a 3 bedroom house in a nice neighborhood with 50K left over. My pay is about the same as in California but with a 4% state income tax instead of 10% and property taxes of only $2000/year, we are much better off. Huntsville has a clean, modern airport with non-stop flights to Chicago, Denver, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Charlotte and Washington DC. Big name entertainment comes to us. When we attend a concert we leave our house 15 minutes before the show, park for free and walk to the venue. Our car has never been broken into. Almost everyone in town is a football fan, probably 50% Auburn fans, 40% Bama fans and 10% other. Because of the concentration of defense, aerospace (NASA, the Arsenal) in Huntsville, a large percentage of the city population is very well educated and many of us moved to Alabama from other states. There are false flag operations being waged by some posters (eg.,Boot, falseintellect) to antagonize visitors and generally play to the stereotype that Cal grads are intolerant, conceited, and narrow minded. Ignore them.
Have never been to Alabama, but know two people who moved there, one to Huntsville and he loves it!!! I'm happy when people find their Utopia, wherever that might be... It's great to have choices. It's one the reasons I pursued official recognition of Italian citizenship for myself and two children. Being an EU citizen creates additional opportunities...
As to THAT poster commenting how bad Alabama is, relative to California, I'd like to comment a bit. Again, I've never been there...
Per the CDC, Californian's don't live on average a decade longer than residents of Alabama. It's less than 6 years (73.2 vs 79.0 years). That being his first point of distinction, it's clearly wrong. Further, demographics matter; especially when Black Americans comprised over 1/4 of Alabama's population. Sadly, and over much time in the US, Black Americans have the lowest life expectancy of any group. If California's Black population were to increase more than 2 fold, to match Alabama's percentage, it would not be unreasonable to expect that to negatively impact the state's life expectancy.
As far as crime goes, it's always best to examine such on a local level, especially when considering a move. Having worked closely with the FBI before I retired, I'm well aware of the metrics they collect and publish. And it's true, on a per capita basis, that Alabama generally has more reported crime than California. I just looked and the FBI still tabulates nine categories or types of crime. For a few, California and Alabama are pretty similar and for a couple, robbery and vehicle theft, California is worse than Alabama. Locations within a state, anywhere, not just in California or Alabama, can make a huge difference. Same is true with education of course. Yup, by most accounts, California's educational system is deemed better than Alabama's, but when I see that California is like 37 or 44 (two that I just checked), the state level difference is not exactly resounding. Of the many I know who left California over the past decade plus, education was probably one of the top three reasons...
With Spectrum here, I need to find a way to get the game... Go Bears!
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
My former colleague is a Mississippi Choctaw with black skin. She is well-educated with a graduate degree in engineering from Stanford. Her husband is a freelance artist, writer, comedian, and stay-at-home dad.
She decided to move to Huntsville for the lower cost of living when she had kids, which is important because her husband doesn't have a steady income. He also happens to be much lighter skinned.
I asked her how it was going and since she is from Louisiana she sort of knew what she was getting into. Huntsville (which I have been to) is a much better educated and higher income part of Alabama but it is still Alabama.
Even well-meaning people say offensive things, ask offensive questions, and make offensive assumptions with respect to her race and her career (being the breadwinner). They often want to speak to "the man of the house." She said working with the real estate agents to buy a house while her husband was home with the kids was a demeaning experience for her.
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
To be fair, that's a city, not the entire state of "Alabammy," and a city with a four-term mayor where they keep voting for the guy as crime has gotten progressively worse...
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
Exactly. Whenever I read one of these "oh I decided to move to X and its so lovely" the only thing I'm thinking the whole time is "it sure must be nice being white."
As a POC, it's not really an option living in the large majority of the US
You all are really getting a poor sampling from some of the "expert" sites and especially Warblogle. As I stated before, most serious Auburn sites are up to speed on both teams. I am so much so that I am really worried about this game. Cal has improved dramatically, but so has Auburn even just season removed from the Harsin debacle where poor coaching and his extremely trashy family caused negative growth in the program. But I digress.
Auburn needs Jarquez Hunter, but he's still facing University related disciplinary issues related to his sextape debacle. If he plays, he gives Auburn the edge, if he doesn't then Freeze's offense will play into Sirmon's defensive schemes. Auburn doesn't have the game breaking speed to burn the defensive secondary. Too much portal transfer talent that hasn't had enough time to gel with Thorne, yet. if Thorne and the portal WR's, like Hooks can hit mid-season form...then the game could be a different story. Auburn's linemen are big, but slow so Freeze will be rotating them a lot. Cal 34, Auburn 27
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
Exactly. Whenever I read one of these "oh I decided to move to X and its so lovely" the only thing I'm thinking the whole time is "it sure must be nice being white."
As a POC, it's not really an option living in the large majority of the US
its always weird seeing all these privileged white folks talking about how great these other states are. its so cringe. they're completely clueless about what life is like for the majority of folks. its clear they don't know any poc from the South. we know about the sundown towns, the police harassment.
for a school that is supposed to have such smart folks, we have a lot of willfully ignorant people. It doesn't even register in their minds how the openly practiced bigotry toward poc makes traveling for football games a completely different experience for us as poc.
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
Exactly. Whenever I read one of these "oh I decided to move to X and its so lovely" the only thing I'm thinking the whole time is "it sure must be nice being white."
As a POC, it's not really an option living in the large majority of the US
I forgot if it was the NY Times or WaPo, but one of them, about a year ago had an article about the migration of Black Americans into the South, an inordinate number, not just recently, but for the past few decades.
Quite a few years back on this forum I commented about people leaving this state in ways I had not seen before. Several here said it wasn't true or not in any meaningful numbers. My colleagues, friends, neighbors were leaving the state like I had never seen before. A former colleague has or at least had a U-Haul business and the data, the trends witnessed, were very telling. Now, no one contests this reality. The South, a multitude of states, have been the recipients, including POC. I just found the article. It was WaPO - 14 JAN 2022...
Ignorance and insensitivity exists everywhere. My Asian wife has her share of stores right here in California the past 20 years. When my mom re-married an African American man when I was 10 years old, I saw and experienced hate I never imagined. Her husband was shocked at how I was treated for having a Black stepdad and brother. It was a side of racism he had not seen before. He was from Baltimore and figured that "this" would not exist here in CA, the Bay Area in particular; at least not to this extent. Just adding some perspective...
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
congrats on your raging rightwing paranoia of the West Coast.
"illegal aliens"? You should go speak to people that work with the drug addiction and the homeless population on the West Coast. Your argument is morally and intellectually repugnant.
Try educating yourself before spewing your white supremacist hatred.
Here is a link of actual demographic research delineating how galactically ignorant and racist you are, Amy.
barcabear, i.e. Oxford AMY when you are losing an argument you play the race card ducky also, what a bunch of ignorant race-baiting BS you are both bigots these few loudmouths do not represent most of our fanbase
barcabear, i.e. Oxford AMY when you are losing an argument you play the race card ducky also, what a bunch of ignorant race-baiting BS you are both bigots these few loudmouths do not represent most of our fanbase
poor lil raging maga muppet crying again over your poor grades at Cal. That a Native American graduated with a high GPA and got into Oxford grad school sends you to your psychiatrist everytime.
white supremacist arguments won't be tolerated. if you like white supremacy, move to Alabama.
standing against bigots like you isn't "racism", it's the exact opposite. how hard did you flunk out of Cal, Amy? No way you graduated from this school while being that ignorant.
it's funny how your klan buddies keep liking your racism. you should swim back across the Atlantic.
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
Exactly. Whenever I read one of these "oh I decided to move to X and its so lovely" the only thing I'm thinking the whole time is "it sure must be nice being white."
As a POC, it's not really an option living in the large majority of the US
If you were not a POC, where would you like to move to?
That can happen anywhere, but she definitely noticed the difference. That said, she is going to try to stick it out but I wonder if all the people who move to the South and talk about how great it is are white, male, heterosexual, Christian conservatives.
Exactly. Whenever I read one of these "oh I decided to move to X and its so lovely" the only thing I'm thinking the whole time is "it sure must be nice being white."
As a POC, it's not really an option living in the large majority of the US
If you were not a POC, where would you like to move to?
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
To be fair, that's a city, not the entire state of "Alabammy," and a city with a four-term mayor where they keep voting for the guy as crime has gotten progressively worse...
It's 2 of the top 10 dangerous cities in the country!
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
To be fair, that's a city, not the entire state of "Alabammy," and a city with a four-term mayor where they keep voting for the guy as crime has gotten progressively worse...
It's 2 of the top 10 dangerous cities in the country!
Bessemer county is 72% African American. Birmingham, 68%.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
We're both speaking from our experiences.
My experience up in the Delta is different. Friends and families of different races mix, often are multi-racial and don't interact in a plantation way. Schools are similar . The old guard of course remains but changes. Urban areas- Jackson - are black majority, black ruled and blue voting; there is an internal migration of African Americans to cities
With regard to health care, it is a poor state and public health is terrible for both poor white and poor black and the power structure resists change, not unlike most places.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
We're both speaking from our experiences.
My experience up in the Delta is different. Friends and families of different races mix, often are multi-racial and don't interact in a plantation way. Schools are similar . The old guard of course remains but changes. Urban areas- Jackson - are black majority, black ruled and blue voting; there is an internal migration of African Americans to cities
With regard to health care, it is a poor state and public health is terrible for both poor white and poor black and the power structure resists change, not unlike most places.
things are worse for poor Black folks in Mississippi. yes, they have a lot of poor white folks in that state. a lot. opioid epidemic is increasingly impacting white communities and increasing the size of poor white communities. that state is one of the most impoverished in the US. 15% of white folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line. 38% of Black folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line.
yes, poor folks have a lot in common. and, yet there is a distinct experience that Black folks in the South can speak to that poor white folks can't, although I am sure they have witnessed it. 10% of white children in Mississippi live in concentrated poverty, whereas 47% of Black children in that state live in concentrated poverty. That goes to the issue of urban vs rural. what it means is that Black families that don't live below the poverty line are still living surrounded by poverty, which negatively impacts their opportunities in education, work, etc. and so you begin to understand that the experience of poor Black folks is not the same as poor white folks.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
We're both speaking from our experiences.
My experience up in the Delta is different. Friends and families of different races mix, often are multi-racial and don't interact in a plantation way. Schools are similar . The old guard of course remains but changes. Urban areas- Jackson - are black majority, black ruled and blue voting; there is an internal migration of African Americans to cities
With regard to health care, it is a poor state and public health is terrible for both poor white and poor black and the power structure resists change, not unlike most places.
things are worse for poor Black folks in Mississippi. yes, they have a lot of poor white folks in that state. a lot. opioid epidemic is increasingly impacting white communities and increasing the size of poor white communities. that state is one of the most impoverished in the US. 15% of white folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line. 38% of Black folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line.
yes, poor folks have a lot in common. and, yet there is a distinct experience that Black folks in the South can speak to that poor white folks can't, although I am sure they have witnessed it. 10% of white children in Mississippi live in concentrated poverty, whereas 47% of Black children in that state live in concentrated poverty. That goes to the issue of urban vs rural. what it means is that Black families that don't live below the poverty line are still living surrounded by poverty, which negatively impacts their opportunities in education, work, etc. and so you begin to understand that the experience of poor Black folks is not the same as poor white folks.
Also, like I said, it is important to note that the people who can make changes to help the poor realize that while not all poor folks are black the vast majority of them are. That knowledge drives decision making. It hurts some white people, too, but those people are collateral damage. What is important is that the black people are kept in their place to perpetuate stereotypes and that as little money should be spent on them as possible because that would be throwing good money after bad.
I have relayed this anecdote here before but at my SO's school in Mississippi they had an honors program. It was filled with blonde cheerleaders and white football players. There wasn't a single person of color.
They had a turnover and a new principal came in from New York. Suspicious, he had everyone at the school tested for placement. The new honors class was filled with the children of the Vietnamese shrimp fisherman as well as a few black and Hispanic kids. Those kids had been in the LOWEST level. One of them (a Mexican kid) later went on to become a well-regarded plastic surgeon.
This wasn't in the 1930s. This was in the early 1980s!
One time around 2010 I was in Mississippi and I was talking to a salesclerk. We were making small talk and somehow the topic turned to the economy. I am a blonde white guy so people sometimes assume I am a cracker like they are.
She said: "You know what the problem is?"
Uh oh. Here it comes.
"No," I replied quietly.
"Black people! They just refuse to get a job and they cost us all this money!"
At least she didn't use the N-word. I have heard that used in Mississippi and Alabama, too, and in such a casual way. To say that to a stranger in public was… well, you can see why they like Trump. He says the quiet part out loud, too.
If I was a person of color I would get the hell out of there and stay out.
I should add that not everyone is like that. There are some very kind and tolerant folks. However; just a few people like that and the culture that breeds that is enough for this California guy to never want to be there no matter how pretty it is or how cheap it costs. We have people like that here, too, but they know they better keep it to themselves.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
We're both speaking from our experiences.
My experience up in the Delta is different. Friends and families of different races mix, often are multi-racial and don't interact in a plantation way. Schools are similar . The old guard of course remains but changes. Urban areas- Jackson - are black majority, black ruled and blue voting; there is an internal migration of African Americans to cities
With regard to health care, it is a poor state and public health is terrible for both poor white and poor black and the power structure resists change, not unlike most places.
things are worse for poor Black folks in Mississippi. yes, they have a lot of poor white folks in that state. a lot. opioid epidemic is increasingly impacting white communities and increasing the size of poor white communities. that state is one of the most impoverished in the US. 15% of white folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line. 38% of Black folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line.
yes, poor folks have a lot in common. and, yet there is a distinct experience that Black folks in the South can speak to that poor white folks can't, although I am sure they have witnessed it. 10% of white children in Mississippi live in concentrated poverty, whereas 47% of Black children in that state live in concentrated poverty. That goes to the issue of urban vs rural. what it means is that Black families that don't live below the poverty line are still living surrounded by poverty, which negatively impacts their opportunities in education, work, etc. and so you begin to understand that the experience of poor Black folks is not the same as poor white folks.
Also, like I said, it is important to note that the people who can make changes to help the poor realize that while not all poor folks are black the vast majority of them are. That knowledge drives decision making. It hurts some white people, too, but those people are collateral damage. What is important is that the black people are kept in their place to perpetuate stereotypes and that as little money should be spent on them as possible because that would be throwing good money after bad.
I have relayed this anecdote here before but at my SO's school in Mississippi they had an honors program. It was filled with blonde cheerleaders and white football players. There wasn't a single person of color.
They had a turnover and a new principal came in from New York. Suspicious, he had everyone at the school tested for placement. The new honors class was filled with the children of the Vietnamese shrimp fisherman as well as a few black and Hispanic kids. Those kids had been in the LOWEST level. One of them (a Mexican kid) later went on to become a well-regarded plastic surgeon.
This wasn't in the 1930s. This was in the early 1980s!
One time around 2010 I was in Mississippi and I was talking to a salesclerk. We were making small talk and somehow the topic turned to the economy. I am a blonde white guy so people sometimes assume I am a cracker like they are.
She said: "You know what the problem is?"
Uh oh. Here it comes.
"No," I replied quietly.
"Black people! They just refuse to get a job and they cost us all this money!"
At least she didn't use the N-word. I have heard that used in Mississippi and Alabama, too, and in such a casual way. To say that to a stranger in public was… well, you can see why they like Trump. He says the quiet part out loud, too.
If I was a person of color I would get the hell out of there and stay out.
I should add that not everyone is like that. There are some very kind and tolerant folks. However; just a few people like that and the culture that breeds that is enough for this California guy to never want to be there no matter how pretty it is or how cheap it costs. We have people like that here, too, but they know they better keep it to themselves.
sadly, they don't keep it to themselves here in Cali. Before Cal I had an art company for a while, my Black sales staff taught me quite a bit about race relations in California. Two were from South Central, one was from Missouri, and one guy was a Brit from Turks and Caicos. We learned where not to send them. The #1 most hated place: Orange County. Latino staff didn't like San Diego County or parts of Orange County for the same reason. The cops would be on them in minutes. guaranteed.
I think folks are more likely to control themselves and not say things that are outta pocket in the Bay Area. Bay Area is a bubble within the bubble that is California.
I lived in California for 30 years and now live in Alabama. It is a great place to live with lots to do. You more than live up to your moniker, though inferior intellect would be more apt.
The life expectancy is literally a decade less then California.
Every statistic Alabama is near the bottom. Crime, healthcare, environment, poverty, education, womans rights, income. Insanely high infant mortality, insane child poverty rate. But they are doing a great job banning that evil CRT in schools, so they got that going for em!
You couldn't pay me to enter that ****hole.
Good Thing you don't. We don't need or want you.
In the mean time you literally take your young life in your hands just moving around the streets of San Francisco, and navigating through the sea of ILLEGAL 3rd world aliens pi**ing and sh**ing on your streets. Not to mention all the used drug needles that are collected daily off your streets.
See how easy it is to throw the SOS back in your face?
Our country's problems are too big to condone this type of attitude about other parts of the country. WE both have our challenges and opportunities and with less vitriol perhaps we can help each other solve our problems.
You have to realize when people here take this moral superiority posture towards the plight of African Americans in the South it's because to them African Americans are lawn signs and a slogan
African American communities have declined rapidly in the Bay Area- 48- 20% in Oakland since 1980; San Francisco, 13-5% and due to real estate gerrymander- unlike the South- most people here have little contact with them unless they are Ivy League lawyers who live in Orinda. ( The term people of color is more virtue signaling referring mostly to educated people who work in tech not cleaning ladies or gardeners)
So this moral bloviating comes quite easily to someone who neither lives nor whose children attend schools with the underclass. Also the denigration of the South's health care, crime and well being also ignores the fact that large percentages of who we are talking about are African Americans
I spend a third to half a year in Mississippi where my wife's people are from. It is a state with a lot of problems including racism but also one rich in culture, particularly but not only African American. Blacks and whites share and enjoy that culture and mix- sometimes with unspoken rules- but in a familiar way my wife never experiences in the Bay Area
I think you should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about the experiences of others with minorities and "the underclass."
I have experience on the Mississippi Gulf Coast where my SO was raised and her mom lived after retirement until about 10 years ago when she moved here. Blacks and whites there do interact in a familiar way. It's like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy and it's a very uncomfortable kind of familiarity to anyone who has been exposed to life elsewhere like everyone knows what their role is supposed to be.
My SO's mom worked public health in Mississippi and you haven't seen poor until you have done public home health care in Mississippi. The way the state treats its poor, knowing they are mostly black, is despicable.
We're both speaking from our experiences.
My experience up in the Delta is different. Friends and families of different races mix, often are multi-racial and don't interact in a plantation way. Schools are similar . The old guard of course remains but changes. Urban areas- Jackson - are black majority, black ruled and blue voting; there is an internal migration of African Americans to cities
With regard to health care, it is a poor state and public health is terrible for both poor white and poor black and the power structure resists change, not unlike most places.
things are worse for poor Black folks in Mississippi. yes, they have a lot of poor white folks in that state. a lot. opioid epidemic is increasingly impacting white communities and increasing the size of poor white communities. that state is one of the most impoverished in the US. 15% of white folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line. 38% of Black folks in Mississippi live below the poverty line.
yes, poor folks have a lot in common. and, yet there is a distinct experience that Black folks in the South can speak to that poor white folks can't, although I am sure they have witnessed it. 10% of white children in Mississippi live in concentrated poverty, whereas 47% of Black children in that state live in concentrated poverty. That goes to the issue of urban vs rural. what it means is that Black families that don't live below the poverty line are still living surrounded by poverty, which negatively impacts their opportunities in education, work, etc. and so you begin to understand that the experience of poor Black folks is not the same as poor white folks.
Also, like I said, it is important to note that the people who can make changes to help the poor realize that while not all poor folks are black the vast majority of them are. That knowledge drives decision making. It hurts some white people, too, but those people are collateral damage. What is important is that the black people are kept in their place to perpetuate stereotypes and that as little money should be spent on them as possible because that would be throwing good money after bad.
I have relayed this anecdote here before but at my SO's school in Mississippi they had an honors program. It was filled with blonde cheerleaders and white football players. There wasn't a single person of color.
They had a turnover and a new principal came in from New York. Suspicious, he had everyone at the school tested for placement. The new honors class was filled with the children of the Vietnamese shrimp fisherman as well as a few black and Hispanic kids. Those kids had been in the LOWEST level. One of them (a Mexican kid) later went on to become a well-regarded plastic surgeon.
This wasn't in the 1930s. This was in the early 1980s!
One time around 2010 I was in Mississippi and I was talking to a salesclerk. We were making small talk and somehow the topic turned to the economy. I am a blonde white guy so people sometimes assume I am a cracker like they are.
She said: "You know what the problem is?"
Uh oh. Here it comes.
"No," I replied quietly.
"Black people! They just refuse to get a job and they cost us all this money!"
At least she didn't use the N-word. I have heard that used in Mississippi and Alabama, too, and in such a casual way. To say that to a stranger in public was… well, you can see why they like Trump. He says the quiet part out loud, too.
If I was a person of color I would get the hell out of there and stay out.
I should add that not everyone is like that. There are some very kind and tolerant folks. However; just a few people like that and the culture that breeds that is enough for this California guy to never want to be there no matter how pretty it is or how cheap it costs. We have people like that here, too, but they know they better keep it to themselves.
sadly, they don't keep it to themselves here in Cali. Before Cal I had an art company for a while, my Black sales staff taught me quite a bit about race relations in California. Two were from South Central, one was from Missouri, and one guy was a Brit from Turks and Caicos. We learned where not to send them. The #1 most hated place: Orange County. Latino staff didn't like San Diego County or parts of Orange County for the same reason. The cops would be on them in minutes. guaranteed.
I think folks are more likely to control themselves and not say things that are outta pocket in the Bay Area. Bay Area is a bubble within the bubble that is California.
Orange County is not LA. North County is not City of San Diego.
The overwhelming majority of the nation's Black population lives in the South. They've been moving back there from the Northeast, Midwest and West for decades now.
