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The Rodcast: NCAA Rule Changes

May 24, 2024
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In today's podcast, former Cal and professional center and Bear Insider commentator Rod Benson talks about the implications of the new NCAA rules change allowing players to be paid by the university.

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The Rodcast: NCAA Rule Changes

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75bear
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The college basketball landscape and rule changes are coming at lightning speed these days. I love your enthusiasm Rod, I hope this all becomes a positive for Cal (fingers crossed).
bearsandgiants
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IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
graguna
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bearsandgiants said:

IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
In the past, the problem was, schools were spending $1 or $2 milll under the table on players and CAL: $0.
Add 20 Mill to reach number and kentucky is now spending $21 mill and CAL $20 mill
a 5% diference
i think Madsen can show players that the bay area is a 5% better place to be than kentucky therefor worth the 5% less in pay
Couldn't you?
Have faith



RedlessWardrobe
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graguna said:

bearsandgiants said:

IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
In the past, the problem was, schools were spending $1 or $2 milll under the table on players and CAL: $0.
Add 20 Mill to reach number and kentucky is now opening $21 mill and CAL $20 mill
a 5% diference
i think Madsen can show players that the bay area is a 5% better place to be than kentucky therefor worth the 5% less in pay
Couldn't you?
Have faith




Just clarifying. Sounds like you're saying on a percentage basis, the new pay the player era might actually benefit Cal recruiting? Just curious.
Bobodeluxe
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And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
graguna
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Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,
graguna
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RedlessWardrobe said:

graguna said:

bearsandgiants said:

IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
In the past, the problem was, schools were spending $1 or $2 milll under the table on players and CAL: $0.
Add 20 Mill to reach number and kentucky is now opening $21 mill and CAL $20 mill
a 5% diference
i think Madsen can show players that the bay area is a 5% better place to be than kentucky therefor worth the 5% less in pay
Couldn't you?
Have faith




Just clarifying. Sounds like you're saying on a percentage basis, the new pay the player era might actually benefit Cal recruiting? Just curious.
yes. CAL and every other school will be on a much more even playing field. So, if a school has a recruiter like Madsen on a even playing field, I like our chances.
HearstMining
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graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,
No doubt Knowlton will spend that $20 million to make Cal the preeminent ice hockey power in the NCAA.
oski003
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HearstMining said:

graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,
No doubt Knowlton will spend that $20 million to make Cal the preeminent ice hockey power in the NCAA.


More likely we distribute it amongst lots of sports and the Alabamas give it mostly to men's football and basketball...
HearstMining
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oski003 said:

HearstMining said:

graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,
No doubt Knowlton will spend that $20 million to make Cal the preeminent ice hockey power in the NCAA.


More likely we distribute it amongst lots of sports and the Alabamas give it mostly to men's football and basketball...
Well, I agree with you. But sometimes, particularly if you're a Cal fan, it's better to draw the absurd conclusion rather than the most likely one. That way, you're not (as) disappointed.
calumnus
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graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,


I think the situation is P4 schools will be allowed/required to pay the players but with a $20 million salary cap. The NCAA is not giving us money to do that. Cal will need to come up with it from our revenues.

First problem is we don't have the money. Cal is likely in the worst financial situation of any school in the P4.

Second problem is the salary cap will not be enforceable.
01Bear
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calumnus said:

graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,


I think the situation is P4 schools will be allowed/required to pay the players but with a $20 million salary cap. The NCAA is not giving us money to do that. Cal will need to come up with it from our revenues.

First problem is we don't have the money. Cal is likely in the worst financial situation of any school in the P4.

Second problem is the salary cap will not be enforceable.

Serious question, did the recent Cal fundraising program raise money for general funds or were they for specific departments, chairs, professorships, projects, and/or scholarships? If they were for the general fund, what's to prevent the Athletic Department from receiving any funds to help make up the $20 million?

That said, I'd agree that the salary cap seems unlikely to survive legal scrutiny (absent Congressional action).*


*Even if Congress does pass a bill allowing a salary cap, I can't see the Roberts Court upholding it. The Roberts Court is made up if six Federalists, which group is opposed to what they see as Congressional overreach and abuse of the Commerce Clause. The Federalists want a return to Lochner as the law of the land. Salary caps imposed by federal fiat would very much antithetical to that and would allow the Federalists to restore Lochner.
wifeisafurd
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RedlessWardrobe said:

graguna said:

bearsandgiants said:

IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
In the past, the problem was, schools were spending $1 or $2 milll under the table on players and CAL: $0.
Add 20 Mill to reach number and kentucky is now opening $21 mill and CAL $20 mill
a 5% diference
i think Madsen can show players that the bay area is a 5% better place to be than kentucky therefor worth the 5% less in pay
Couldn't you?
Have faith




Just clarifying. Sounds like you're saying on a percentage basis, the new pay the player era might actually benefit Cal recruiting? Just curious.
Cal can also pay players though a NIL collective, and donors may chose to do so if the don't like the way Cal allocates the $20 million.
6956bear
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wifeisafurd said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

graguna said:

bearsandgiants said:

IMO, this recent change just feels like inflation and more of the same, with Cal still lagging behind. Throwing cash at everyone gives everyone a bump, and allows the shenanigans to give the shenanigan schools an even bigger bump. All that changes is that prices go up for fans and alumni.
In the past, the problem was, schools were spending $1 or $2 milll under the table on players and CAL: $0.
Add 20 Mill to reach number and kentucky is now opening $21 mill and CAL $20 mill
a 5% diference
i think Madsen can show players that the bay area is a 5% better place to be than kentucky therefor worth the 5% less in pay
Couldn't you?
Have faith




Just clarifying. Sounds like you're saying on a percentage basis, the new pay the player era might actually benefit Cal recruiting? Just curious.
Cal can also pay players though a NIL collective, and donors may chose to do so if the don't like the way Cal allocates the $20 million.
They can. But in reading Sebastabear I am getting the feeling that he believes many of the collectives will go away. Cal's included. Unless somebody other than he wants to run it. Too soon to know how this will exactly play out, but I do expect the hoops bluebloods (Kenticky, Kansas, UNC etc) to find a work around. Either a collective or back to bags under the table.

No way will they stay on equal terms with those that choose to do this legitimately. The only cap will be what is mandated by the settlement.
6956bear
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oski003 said:

HearstMining said:

graguna said:

Bobodeluxe said:

And where does this $22,000,000.00 come from?
Beginning in 2025 each University will get $20 mill to pay player their share of NCAA revenues.
Go listen to Rod Benson's podcast.
He says this will level the playing field and be a huge advantage to CAL.
He know more abut basketball than I do. I'll go wit that,
No doubt Knowlton will spend that $20 million to make Cal the preeminent ice hockey power in the NCAA.


More likely we distribute it amongst lots of sports and the Alabamas give it mostly to men's football and basketball...
First off Alabama has a lot less sports to spread the money among so the money will go farther. And yes Cal is virtually 100% going to give it out equally. Which will of course boost the non revenue sports and hurt the revenue sports. Despite needing the revenue sports to flourish so they have a shot at gaining entry to the almost certain next realignment.

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