Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
Or maybe it indicates that the newer recruits are better.UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
Expected. More to do with one back-up really separating from the others, and a highly regarded frosh QB on the way. Just not enough reps to go around.UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
It seems that Johnson has been knocking it out of the park this spring--earning reps. and wracking up stats. If that is true and translates next fall, we should be okay at QB, especially with the apparent improvement of Rowell and the arrival of Millner in June. But it does make me a little nervous. It's not just QB. Our top WR target last season, Polk, left also.wifeisafurd said:Expected. More to do with one back-up really separating from the others, and a highly regarded frosh QB on the way. Just not enough reps to go around.UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
Brasch has a high ceiling with his big arm. Notwithstanding they myriad of players in the portal, someone will want him.
UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
That didn't take long...UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
I do wonder if this is going to make teams more susceptible to a large drop off in quality of play due to injuries during the season. For example:71Bear said:
This is the world of modern college football. If you fall behind, you move on. No big deal. Cal is in fine shape with two solid QB's and a couple more (Milner and Martin) on the way.
I totally disagree with the notion that "it just ain't good". In fact, it frees up a scholie for Cal and it gives Brasch a chance to find a school where he will receive an opportunity to play. It is a classic "win-win".
If fans can't adjust to the idea of "free agency", they will find college athletics quite frustrating......
I think it all depends on how much eligibility a player has left and how close he is to graduating. A player who has two years of eligibility remaining and is one semester from graduating might stick it out and leave later as grad transfer. On the other hand, a player like Brasch or Casey with a number of years of eligibility remaining would be more inclined to move on once they realize their chances of seeing the field on a regular basis are diminished.golden sloth said:I do wonder if this is going to make teams more susceptible to a large drop off in quality of play due to injuries during the season. For example:71Bear said:
This is the world of modern college football. If you fall behind, you move on. No big deal. Cal is in fine shape with two solid QB's and a couple more (Milner and Martin) on the way.
I totally disagree with the notion that "it just ain't good". In fact, it frees up a scholie for Cal and it gives Brasch a chance to find a school where he will receive an opportunity to play. It is a classic "win-win".
If fans can't adjust to the idea of "free agency", they will find college athletics quite frustrating......
A talented sophomore wins the starting job, the senior and junior at that position transfer out, so when that star sophomore gets injured, the freshman or transfer portal backup becomes the starter. This player is either younger and smaller, or they don't have the same experience and practice reps in the system leading to a larger drop off in play than would have been there with the Senior or Junior.
Though this may be more confined to the QB position, where the backups get limited playing time compared to other positions where you get plenty of plays if you're in the 2-deep.
71Bear said:That didn't take long...UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
Once Johnson passed Brasch on the two deep, it was fait accompli.
This is the world of modern college football. If you fall behind, you move on. No big deal. Cal is in fine shape with two solid QB's and a couple more (Milner and Martin) on the way.
I totally disagree with the notion that "it just ain't good". In fact, it frees up a scholie for Cal and it gives Brasch a chance to find a school where he will receive an opportunity to play. It is a classic "win-win".
If fans can't adjust to the idea of "free agency", they will find college athletics quite frustrating......
Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
While you can never have too many OLers, you can have too many QB's. No transfers needed. Three plus one arriving in the fall followed by one each year thereafter is plenty. In fact, that is probably too many. I like the idea of creating a competitive environment in which transfers will continue to occur on a regular basis (as long as it isn't the #1 guy).heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.
Whoa - you say you're happy with two solid QBs (Garbers and Johnson) yet it was just back in 2019 when Cal had to start their 3rd-string QB (somewhat ironically, Brasch) when both Garbers and Modster were injured. It didn't go well, and either Garbers or Modster (I don't recall which) was rushed back for the next game. Cal isn't Alabama or even U$C so can't have stack of 5* QBs available, yet we now have a starter who has never completed a full season uninjured, and the third stringer is a walk-on. So, yeah, while Brasch has every right to transfer, I don't think it's a win for Cal.71Bear said:That didn't take long...UrsineMaximus said:
Has decided to transfer. Heck one day prior to the final scrimmage. So, 2 QBs now gone this Spring. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that just ain't good.
Once Johnson passed Brasch on the two deep, it was fait accompli.
This is the world of modern college football. If you fall behind, you move on. No big deal. Cal is in fine shape with two solid QB's and a couple more (Milner and Martin) on the way.
I totally disagree with the notion that "it just ain't good". In fact, it frees up a scholie for Cal and it gives Brasch a chance to find a school where he will receive an opportunity to play. It is a classic "win-win".
If fans can't adjust to the idea of "free agency", they will find college athletics quite frustrating......
It's not just Milner and Martin in 2023. Johnson will be a rs junior then.heartofthebear said:On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.
I remember when Johnson signed late and was the second and less heralded recruit you kept telling everyone that he was a gamer and to not dismiss him. That you thought he had potential. Boy did he! Is he another late blooming Pawlawski type?MoragaBear said:
It's not just Milner and Martin in 2023. Johnson will be a rs junior then.
The offers from USC, Oregon, Nebraska, Michigan State, etc weren't enough for Martin? HE's just waiting on that extra special one to dump Cal?UrsineMaximus said:
Perhaps we should wait until ZJ has a few PAC 12 games under his belt until we declare "he's arrived". Sure he is showing "promise" and has "flashed" this Spring but that is not like facing Udub in Seattle or $C in LA.
The QB position is the least experienced and has the shallowest depth of any position group on the team. Millner's arrival this summer doesn't change that.
Consensus here is that we are fine (some suggest we are better off) with the departure of Casey and Brasch, so be it.
Go Bears!!
Side Note: wouldn't surprise me if Martin gets more attention and offers once his season kicks off in Southern California. He may be "enticed" to consider going elsewhere ~ nothing is set until they actually sign their LOI. That could mean that Cal would be in desperate need to sign Fifita (BI wouldn't agree). Doubtful that Duffy considers Cal. And those are the only 3 QBs offered at this point.
Add to that list the guy they sign in December 22.....MoragaBear said:It's not just Milner and Martin in 2023. Johnson will be a rs junior then.heartofthebear said:On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.
SEC - definitely; other P12 - nah....UrsineMaximus said:
I think if UCLA came knocking and some select SEC teams that he would at least consider them. Either way until he actually signs he isn't a Bear. Plenty of kids and a lot of QBs flip, fwiw.
I hope he doesn't but sure it's a possibility.
As noted elsewhere, Millner, Martin, Johnson and the guy Cal signs in Dec 22 will be the quartet (unless, of course, someone transfers or if Johnson goes pro early).heartofthebear said:On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.
I don't understand the difference between getting a recruit that signs on Dec. 22 and getting a transfer to sign whenever. Either way, it is a 4th QB on scholie. Either way it is likely to be a 3 star. Either way the QB will have to learn the system.71Bear said:As noted elsewhere, Millner, Martin, Johnson and the guy Cal signs in Dec 22 will be the quartet (unless, of course, someone transfers or if Johnson goes pro early).heartofthebear said:On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.
Since when has Cal gone into a season with only 3 QBs on the roster? Who is going to be the back when #3 has to be the starter like happened in 2018 and 2019? I think you are trying to defend Rowell so much that you can't see the forest for the trees. Like I said, I am not attacking Rowell, but Rowell has 2 seasons of eligibility left and the 2 guys who transferred out had 4 each. What I am concerned about is overall depth for 2023.MoragaBear said:It's not just Milner and Martin in 2023. Johnson will be a rs junior then.heartofthebear said:On one hand you're saying nobody is going to come in to be a 3rd stringer but yet it takes a year or two to learn the system. Which is it? What I am saying is that 2 young guys left. We need more young guys to replace them precisely because it takes a while to learn the system. A transfer could come in now and would be ready to compete in 2023 after Garbers and Rowell are gone. Otherwise it is just Milner and Martin. Who would be our 3rd stringer at that point. As I have said, you need depth because we were down to a 3rd stringer in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 doesn't count. Who is going to be the third stringer in 2023 under your scenario, unless it takes less than 2 years to learn the system. In that case, you are contradicting yourself.71Bear said:Your comment included the statement, "I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?". That implied finding a transfer who would supplant Rowell as the third unit guy.heartofthebear said:I'm not saying we get a third stringer, just someone that adds competition and can compete for the job down the line or fill in effectively when injuries occur. Does anybody want to be a third stringer? All these guys come to Cal to compete for playing time. None of them think they are 3rd stringers, except maybe walk-ons. Johnson is having a good spring but he is 6'1". Even Garbers gets too many of his passes tipped. So, yes we can do better.71Bear said:I would suggest the odds of finding a QB in the transfer market who wants to be a third stringer is non-existent. In fact, I would not want a guy who was willing to be a 3rd teamer. Of course, if D.J. U. wants to transfer from Clemson, I would find space for him. But he is a not a third string kinda guy.heartofthebear said:I didn't necessarily mean at QB. But, if the 4 can all substitute effectively for each other than yeah, no more QBs needed. Otherwise a transfer QB that might be an upgrade on say...Rowell, for example, would be a good idea. In 2019, our last full season, we were down to our #3 QB at one point. How did that go? Right now we have good depth (maybe 3 deep) at WR, TE, OL and RB. I would not say that is true at QB necessarily. I'm not picking on Robbie, but if we can get a transfer that is better than him, why not?MoragaBear said:heartofthebear said:Hopefully we pick up a transfer or 2.MoragaBear said:
The QBs who transferred were 4th and 5th on the depth chart heading into this spring with a talented frosh coming in.
Transfers are rarely a one-way street, at least at Cal.
They don't want a transfer or two. The staff is happy with 3 back and a talented freshman coming in this summer. Too many reps to divide otherwise.
I think the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is the ramp-up time required to be an effective QB. Unlike other positions, it takes considerable time to master the O to a degree where you can function efficiently. Garbers and Rowell are seasoned vets and Johnson has been in the program a couple years. Unless the new guy is a savant, he would not be ready to take the reins until 2022, particularly because he missed spring ball this month. By then, the highly regarded Millner would also have a year under his belt. No, a QB transfer would be a waste of a scholie at this point.