OT: 49ers trade up for 3rd pick in NFL draft
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Last: 5 yr ago by philbert
Or the NDSU QB?
I like Fields.
I'm a little hesitant about picking a Ohio State QB.
I agree. And I don't like Lance either. Quite frankly, I think it was a bad trade. Had they been able to get Wilson, I would have made the deal but Wilson won't be available.....Radical Bear said:
I'm a little hesitant about picking a Ohio State QB.
Reply to Radical bear: I agree wholeheartedly. There has never been a Ohio State QB who was a successful NFL starter. Many had very effective college careers, yet flamed out in the NFL:
Art Schlichter
Kirk Herbstreit
Mike Tomczak
Terrelle Pryor
Cardale Jones
Braxton Miller
JT Barrett
Troy Smith
Dwayne Haskins
You get the picture. A number of these players were Heisman finalists, yet none made any impact in the NFL. As any college football fan knows, certain schools consistently produce great players at particular positions, not so much at other positions. Ohio State seems to turn out great defensive linemen, running backs, and wide receivers. QBs not so much. I sincerely hope that Fields is not in their plans. Lawrence is off the table, going to Jax at #1. Alabama does produce NFL caliber QBs, however they also produce some busts, but I'd opt for Jones over Fields if that's what it comes to. Overall, outside of Lawrence, I'm not overly excited by any of the other prospects, especially given the limited number of games played by Wilson and Lance. Since they've decided to trade up, I wish they'd traded up just far enough to get ahead of Dallas and taken Patrick Surtain II.
I suspect that would also have been less costly in terms of what they'd have needed to give up in return as well.
Art Schlichter
Kirk Herbstreit
Mike Tomczak
Terrelle Pryor
Cardale Jones
Braxton Miller
JT Barrett
Troy Smith
Dwayne Haskins
You get the picture. A number of these players were Heisman finalists, yet none made any impact in the NFL. As any college football fan knows, certain schools consistently produce great players at particular positions, not so much at other positions. Ohio State seems to turn out great defensive linemen, running backs, and wide receivers. QBs not so much. I sincerely hope that Fields is not in their plans. Lawrence is off the table, going to Jax at #1. Alabama does produce NFL caliber QBs, however they also produce some busts, but I'd opt for Jones over Fields if that's what it comes to. Overall, outside of Lawrence, I'm not overly excited by any of the other prospects, especially given the limited number of games played by Wilson and Lance. Since they've decided to trade up, I wish they'd traded up just far enough to get ahead of Dallas and taken Patrick Surtain II.
I suspect that would also have been less costly in terms of what they'd have needed to give up in return as well.
Maybe, on draft night, right after the 2nd pick, the Niners will trade their #3 pick DOWN, for the #12 pick, say, and some other future draft choices!
Jones is a possibility at #3. Fields hasn't had his pro day yet. if he doesn't wow, look for Jones. Price wasn't too steep...seattle gave up two first-rounds for a strong safety!!!!!
71Bear said:Wilson is going #2 to the Jets. It will be Fields or Lance....calumnus said:philbert said:
Looks like they are going to pick a QB: likely either Zach Wilson or Justin Fields
Based on their revealed preferences I would bet it is Zach Wilson of BYU.
Has anyone told the Niners? John Lynch was in Provo Utah to attend BYU's pro day when he executed the deal.
Yikes. 3 first round draft picks and a third round draft pick to move up 9 places in this years draft? That's too much to give up. It does give a clear indication of what they think of Jimmy Garoppalo unless they aren't planning to pick a QB. In that case, it's even more of a case of giving up too much.
You sure you know what the Jets are gonna do?71Bear said:Wilson is going #2 to the Jets. It will be Fields or Lance....calumnus said:philbert said:
Looks like they are going to pick a QB: likely either Zach Wilson or Justin Fields
Based on their revealed preferences I would bet it is Zach Wilson of BYU.
Yep. Salah is a smart guy. He knows a franchise QB is required to be a Super Bowl contender. After Lawrence, Wilson is the "best of the rest".philbert said:You sure you know what the Jets are gonna do?71Bear said:Wilson is going #2 to the Jets. It will be Fields or Lance....calumnus said:philbert said:
Looks like they are going to pick a QB: likely either Zach Wilson or Justin Fields
Based on their revealed preferences I would bet it is Zach Wilson of BYU.
If this scenario plays out, happens to Darnold?
if Kyle takes Jones, it will be YIKES!!!!!!Jones may be available at #12..Or, you trade up from12 to 9
We'll know in a month.71Bear said:Yep. Salah is a smart guy. He knows a franchise QB is required to be a Super Bowl contender. After Lawrence, Wilson is the "best of the rest".philbert said:You sure you know what the Jets are gonna do?71Bear said:calumnus said:
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If this scenario plays out, happens to Darnold?
However, unlike SF, the Jets established that Saleh reports to the GM, who hired Saleh. You know in SF, Shanahan brought in Lynch as his handpicked GM--a very different power structure.
I'm with you, 71. Wilson would have been worth it...Price is too high. Screws up your draft for the next two years. Stafford was worth thge picks..What if thge niners are targeting Fields and he does not have a good pro day on the 30th????Oh dear!!!!!I think Kyle panicked...
Apparently Fields draft evaluation is all over the place. One team has a grade of 4th round on him. Lol
IMO you got Lawrence as the sure thing, Wilson and Lance as strong options, and everyone else including Fields as pure gambles.
This may sound ridiculous but I think it is possible. The #3 pick will go up in value, particularly when it is "on the clock". If Wilson is gone at 3, they could very effectively trade it and get at least as much as they gave up today.Big C said:
Maybe, on draft night, right after the 2nd pick, the Niners will trade their #3 pick DOWN, for the #12 pick, say, and some other future draft choices!
Quite frankly, getting Sewell would not be the worst thing. Put him at RT instead of McGlinchy and you have effectively acquired a QB because, once you replace McGlinchy, you considerably reduce the chance of Garappolo getting hit/injured. I would be okay with Wilson or Sewell. I think it's a reach to take Lance or Fields.
It's also very possible that the 49ers are educated on what the Jets are going to do at #2. They had talked with them about Darnold. If the Jets are cool with Darnold, maybe they don't go QB with #2.
The more I think about it, I think the 2 guys that SF is targetting at #3 are Wilson and Sewell not Wilson and Fields. Sewell at RT makes Garappolo your QB more long term because Sewell keeps Garappolo upright. Just a thought.
The Jets are expected to take Wilson, leaving Lance and Fields for the Niners to select from. I personally prefer Lance if he's going to sit a year behind Jimmy G. Ohio State QBs are typically very talented, but play behind All America OL, have All America skill position weapons, etc, but they never seem to produce productive, or even noteworthy, NFL QBs. Maybe Fields will be the exception.
They had to love a player they knew would be gone in the top three picks. But you can bet that they have narrowed their choice down to either one of two players they have already locked in on, and are comfortable with either one. If the first two selections go as expected, they have almost certainly decided already who their pick is at 3, barring anything unforseen like the Jets passing on Wilson.
Unless they were to get an awful lot of draft picks for #3, it would just get them right back where they started. They gave up three #1s and a third rounder to move up to #3. Is anyone going to give then four #1s for it?
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Efini said:
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Supposedly up until a week before the draft in 2005 the Niners thought they would take Aaron Rodgers.
There are still guys having pro days, getting interviewed. The Jets may have a plan now that they will share with the Niners, but it is no guarantee that is what they do a month from now.
SF never had any intention of drafting Rodgers. Nolan felt that AR was a bit too cocky for his tastes. Of course, the problem with that is - you WANT a QB who has a high opinion of his skills and isn't afraid to express himself.calumnus said:Efini said:
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Supposedly up until a week before the draft in 2005 the Niners thought they would take Aaron Rodgers.
There are still guys having pro days, getting interviewed. The Jets may have a plan now that they will share with the Niners, but it is no guarantee that is what they do a month from now.
71: Indeed. I don't envy Kyle at this point....He has to choose between thge top 3 QB's. No way to know for sure..I hope he doesn't like Jones because Jones had a good chance of being available at #12. or, you trade from 12 to 9 to prevent New England from grabbing him at 9. You have to get this right. This is why I don't like this trade. There is no way of knowing which of the three will prove to be the best. And, you have screwed up your draft for the next three years, including this year...We need to see how Fields performs on March 30th--If he has a great day, he should be the pick..If Kyle really liked Fields and Fields performs poorly, the Niners are hosed.
71Bear said:SF never had any intention of drafting Rodgers. Nolan felt that AR was a bit too cocky for his tastes. Of course, the problem with that is - you WANT a QB who has a high opinion of his skills and isn't afraid to express himself.calumnus said:Efini said:
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Supposedly up until a week before the draft in 2005 the Niners thought they would take Aaron Rodgers.
There are still guys having pro days, getting interviewed. The Jets may have a plan now that they will share with the Niners, but it is no guarantee that is what they do a month from now.
Yes according to 49er sources at the time Nolan tasked a coach to come up with a useless test to see what Smith and Rodgers would do with it. They came up with jumping rope. Smith got all into it. Rodgers asked why they wanted him to do that. It was presented as a real positive that Smith would mindlessly do whatever they asked.
Frankly, Nolan was the kind of guy who wanted everyone to know he was the boss. I think he didn't pick Rodgers because 49er fans, many of them being Cal fans, really wanted Rodgers. I think if fans had wanted Smith he would have picked Rodgers just to be clear he didn't give a shyte what the fans wanted.
71Bear said:I agree. And I don't like Lance either. Quite frankly, I think it was a bad trade. Had they been able to get Wilson, I would have made the deal but Wilson won't be available.....Radical Bear said:
I'm a little hesitant about picking a Ohio State QB.
It is an absolutely moronic trade. Following in the footsteps of the Rams. Giving way too much
They didn't give up too much if they are getting a franchise QB in return. The problem is that their choice will probably be Fields and I don't see him as a franchise guy.OaktownBear said:71Bear said:I agree. And I don't like Lance either. Quite frankly, I think it was a bad trade. Had they been able to get Wilson, I would have made the deal but Wilson won't be available.....Radical Bear said:
I'm a little hesitant about picking a Ohio State QB.
It is an absolutely moronic trade. Following in the footsteps of the Rams. Giving way too much
They didn't trade for a franchise quarterback. They traded for a dice roll. Only a slightly better dice roll than three of the picks they are trading for it. Look at where most of the best QB's were drafted and look at how successful top picks are. Chances are they are giving up a lot of pick value and won't improve the position from what they already have.71Bear said:They didn't give up too much if they are getting a franchise QB in return. The problem is that their choice will probably be Fields and I don't see him as a franchise guy.OaktownBear said:71Bear said:I agree. And I don't like Lance either. Quite frankly, I think it was a bad trade. Had they been able to get Wilson, I would have made the deal but Wilson won't be available.....Radical Bear said:
I'm a little hesitant about picking a Ohio State QB.
It is an absolutely moronic trade. Following in the footsteps of the Rams. Giving way too much
I agree that they likely gave up too much. However, I applaud them for trying to make a bold move. They clearly felt they needed someone better and more reliable (less injury prone) than Jimmy G long-term. So they decided to go for it and get someone they wanted, rather than hoping someone they kinda like falls to them.
If it works, they're geniuses. If it fails, they're gone.
If it works, they're geniuses. If it fails, they're gone.
PtownBear1 said:
IMO you got Lawrence as the sure thing, Wilson and Lance as strong options, and everyone else including Fields as pure gambles.
Agreed. 2 future number 1s is insane for who will be available at 3. So shortsighted.
Mac Jones..good chance Carolina would have grabbed him at #8.Good chance Chicago or Washington or NE would have jumped ahead of SF at #12. Too high a price??Of course..But Kyle is desperate. Does the trade chart warrant the ultimate price or did Kyle throw an extra pick??Look for Kyle to take a WR or TE in round two to give the new QB an extra target. Don't rule out a RB if Etienne or the back from North Carolina are available.
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