Stafford is a known commodity. Makes the Rams a serious SB threat for thge next 4-5 years. Kyle should have traded for Stafford, but the Rams beat him to it. Hence, the desperation..
OT: 49ers trade up for 3rd pick in NFL draft
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Or if the QB they pick turns out to be the franchise player they believe, its more than worth it. We wont know which way that falls for a few years.
Yep. I am hoping I am wrong about Fields. If so, the trade was a steal. If not........Efini said:
Or if the QB they pick turns out to be the franchise player they believe, its more than worth it. We wont know which way that falls for a few years.
We won't have to wait years...4-5 weeks will suffice. cream rises to the top.
OaktownBear said:71Bear said:SF never had any intention of drafting Rodgers. Nolan felt that AR was a bit too cocky for his tastes. Of course, the problem with that is - you WANT a QB who has a high opinion of his skills and isn't afraid to express himself.calumnus said:Efini said:
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Supposedly up until a week before the draft in 2005 the Niners thought they would take Aaron Rodgers.
There are still guys having pro days, getting interviewed. The Jets may have a plan now that they will share with the Niners, but it is no guarantee that is what they do a month from now.
Yes according to 49er sources at the time Nolan tasked a coach to come up with a useless test to see what Smith and Rodgers would do with it. They came up with jumping rope. Smith got all into it. Rodgers asked why they wanted him to do that. It was presented as a real positive that Smith would mindlessly do whatever they asked.
Frankly, Nolan was the kind of guy who wanted everyone to know he was the boss. I think he didn't pick Rodgers because 49er fans, many of them being Cal fans, really wanted Rodgers. I think if fans had wanted Smith he would have picked Rodgers just to be clear he didn't give a shyte what the fans wanted.
I think that's the same reason why Gruden didn't pick Rodgers. If you read the behind-the-scenes account of Gruden working out Rodgers at Memorial, Rodgers comes across as somebody kind of cocky. Not overly. But really self-confident, even though he had a bad day throwing to Jerry Rice. He even teases Gruden about being the sexiest head coach or something. Gruden wants a subservient QB he could ride roughshod over, so he drafted running back Cadillac Williams. I wonder if McVay is the same way to.
71Bear said:SF never had any intention of drafting Rodgers. Nolan felt that AR was a bit too cocky for his tastes. Of course, the problem with that is - you WANT a QB who has a high opinion of his skills and isn't afraid to express himself.calumnus said:Efini said:
The media seems hilariously ignorant about the situation, they think SF is going in blind. Is there any doubt Saleh hasnt been contacted by Lynch or Shanahan about who they they're picking BEFORE SF made that trade? Hell naw. They know what the Jets are doing, and they must really like whoever is still on the table. The question is...who is it?
Supposedly up until a week before the draft in 2005 the Niners thought they would take Aaron Rodgers.
There are still guys having pro days, getting interviewed. The Jets may have a plan now that they will share with the Niners, but it is no guarantee that is what they do a month from now.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19233025/oral-history-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-2005-draft-day-slide-nfl
And yet, there isn't a single thing that ties them together, outside of playing home games in the Horse Shoe.Marty said:
Reply to Radical bear: I agree wholeheartedly. There has never been a Ohio State QB who was a successful NFL starter. Many had very effective college careers, yet flamed out in the NFL:
Art Schlichter
Kirk Herbstreit
Mike Tomczak
Terrelle Pryor
Cardale Jones
Braxton Miller
JT Barrett
Troy Smith
Dwayne Haskins
You get the picture. A number of these players were Heisman finalists, yet none made any impact in the NFL. As any college football fan knows, certain schools consistently produce great players at particular positions, not so much at other positions. Ohio State seems to turn out great defensive linemen, running backs, and wide receivers. QBs not so much. I sincerely hope that Fields is not in their plans. Lawrence is off the table, going to Jax at #1. Alabama does produce NFL caliber QBs, however they also produce some busts, but I'd opt for Jones over Fields if that's what it comes to. Overall, outside of Lawrence, I'm not overly excited by any of the other prospects, especially given the limited number of games played by Wilson and Lance. Since they've decided to trade up, I wish they'd traded up just far enough to get ahead of Dallas and taken Patrick Surtain II.
I suspect that would also have been less costly in terms of what they'd have needed to give up in return as well.
Were you saying the same thing about Oklahoma when Sam Bradford was entering the draft?
Is Chase Garbers going to be a great first round pick because Bartkowski and Rodgers were? Or you going to tell Mike Saffell that he can't make it in the NFL because Alex Mack is the only Cal Center who has had success?
I hope the Niners mess up the draft completely, but I know nothing about the success of Fields rides on the coattails of Kirk Herbstreit. If you don't like his playing ability etc. that's fine...some say he isn't strong in big games, okay sure. Hell, maybe you don't want to hear his Sunday Night intro saying he went to THE Ohio St. University wearing those lovely Niner uniforms. But you better make sure a black cat doesn't cross your path.
Just saying my piece. Way to invent a bunch of assertions I never made.
The Niners could have used those draft choices and gotten Aaron Rodgers. Would have been odds on favorite for the SB.
Sure, Green Bay would have been so happy to dump their franchise QB on a key rival.kelly09 said:
The Niners could have used those draft choices and gotten Aaron Rodgers. Would have been odds on favorite for the SB.
Sure, SF would have received special permission from the league to blow their salary cap to add one of the highest paid players in the game.
Sure, SF would have been thrilled to give up multiple future draft choices for a guy who is on the back end of his career.
The ship sailed on Rodgers many, many years ago.
I did not make a single assertion. I just used the same reasoning. I will just ask the question then: how does Fields differ from the Sam Bradford situation?Marty said:
Just saying my piece. Way to invent a bunch of assertions I never made.
This is a very good summary of the trade:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/mmqb-inside-49ers-dolphins-trade-nfl-draft
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/mmqb-inside-49ers-dolphins-trade-nfl-draft
I presume that they also took into account what they think they can get back for Garoppolo when they are ready to trade him. Acquiring another QB turns Garoppolo into future trade material as a part of this strategy.
They have very little leverage because everyone knows that "if things go right", JG will be released after next season when his cap hit is only $1.4 million. The savings on dumping Garoppolo at that time ($25M+) will enable SF to address the salary bumps for Kittle and Williams and, presumably, Warner.annarborbear said:
I presume that they also took into account what they think they can get back for Garoppolo when they are ready to trade him. Acquiring another QB turns Garoppolo into future trade material as a part of this strategy.
That alternative strategy make sense. Go with a cheaper QB on their rookie contract and then use the savings on proven free agents who could likely be more valuable than the draft picks they are giving up. These are smart people who have looked at all the angles.71Bear said:They have very little leverage because everyone knows that "if things go right", JG will be released after next season when his cap hit is only $1.4 million. The savings on dumping Garoppolo at that time ($25M+) will enable SF to address the salary bumps for Kittle and Williams and, presumably, Warner.annarborbear said:
I presume that they also took into account what they think they can get back for Garoppolo when they are ready to trade him. Acquiring another QB turns Garoppolo into future trade material as a part of this strategy.
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
I think the 9ers will hold onto Jimmy G for the coming year unless someone offers them a 1st or high 2nd round choice. After the next football season, they'll surely trade him for lesser value, probably a 3rd round pick. They'd like to have Jimmy G for the coming year while they break in Justin Fields or Trey Lance, but if someone offers them a high enough pick now, Jimmy G is gone. I know New England and a few other teams think Jimmy G would be an upgrade on their current QB room.
I'd much rather them pick Sewell than give up so much for a reach with the 3rd QB in the draft who will certainly not be a can't miss guy.
Dear Heart: You possess very good football knowledge. I'm leaning toward Jones..Then, Shanahan in round #2, will either give Joines a very speedy WR to take the edge off the defense, or a speedy RB with pass catching abilities...think Etienne or the terrific RB from North Carolina. I would have preferred Stafford ( a proven commodity) but that ship has sailed. I think the Rams beat him to the punch...then, they have been scrambling ever since. Jones would not have been available at #12. Either Carolina, NE, Chicago or Wash would have nabbed Jones before Shanahan got the chance. .
heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
71Bear said:They have very little leverage because everyone knows that "if things go right", JG will be released after next season when his cap hit is only $1.4 million. The savings on dumping Garoppolo at that time ($25M+) will enable SF to address the salary bumps for Kittle and Williams and, presumably, Warner.annarborbear said:
I presume that they also took into account what they think they can get back for Garoppolo when they are ready to trade him. Acquiring another QB turns Garoppolo into future trade material as a part of this strategy.
You now have a QB who is playing for a contract with no allegiance to the team. Those interests don't always align.
Shanahan and Lynch confirmed their interest in selecting a QB today. The only question - Fields, Lance or Jones.OaktownBear said:heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
I will be very disappointed if it's Jones. He seems like Jimmy G.
here's a question which was a not asked..."do you know which QB you will take?" If the answer is an immediate yes, they are confident right now. If they hesitate, it means they are still evaluating the QB's. Not a good sign...
They indicated they had three guys in mind without precluding the other two. They will have reps. attend the pro days for each of the players, conduct the usual background checks, etc. etc. etc. In essence, they know what they want. Is that a player who will be a franchise QB? Time will tell.helltopay1 said:
here's a question which was a not asked..."do you know which QB you will take?" If the answer is an immediate yes, they are confident right now. If they hesitate, it means they are still evaluating the QB's. Not a good sign...
71Bear said:Shanahan and Lynch confirmed their interest in selecting a QB today. The only question - Fields, Lance or Jones.OaktownBear said:heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
"All warfare is based on deception."
"Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB." Okay, I don't know what a "fan source" is, but it' 2021, so the days of blaming the media for everything but your jock itch is over. The media didn't just trade up to be in the range of picking a notable QB. If they don't go that route, and pick like a Sewell, then that will be the loudest vote of confidence that Jimmy G. could receive.heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
True. However, in this instance, Shanahan was very specific with his comments. He said that one reason he wanted to bump up from 12 was to avoid all the subterfuge. He indicated that he can now focus his search on a QB without the need to hide his intentions.Big C said:71Bear said:Shanahan and Lynch confirmed their interest in selecting a QB today. The only question - Fields, Lance or Jones.OaktownBear said:heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
"All warfare is based on deception."
I absolutely think he knows who he wants, but is willing to gather all of the available data just to make absolutely sure that his choice doesn't have any red flags.71Bear said:Tour. However, in this instance, Shanahan was very specific with his comments. He said that one reason he wanted to bump up from 12 was to avoid all the subterfuge. He indicated that he can now focus his search on a QB without the need to hide his intentions.Big C said:71Bear said:Shanahan and Lynch confirmed their interest in selecting a QB today. The only question - Fields, Lance or Jones.OaktownBear said:heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
"All warfare is based on deception."
"allegiance"?OaktownBear said:71Bear said:They have very little leverage because everyone knows that "if things go right", JG will be released after next season when his cap hit is only $1.4 million. The savings on dumping Garoppolo at that time ($25M+) will enable SF to address the salary bumps for Kittle and Williams and, presumably, Warner.annarborbear said:
I presume that they also took into account what they think they can get back for Garoppolo when they are ready to trade him. Acquiring another QB turns Garoppolo into future trade material as a part of this strategy.
You now have a QB who is playing for a contract with no allegiance to the team. Those interests don't always align.
Business.
Cheer for laundry!
Agree....philbert said:I absolutely think he knows who he wants, but is willing to gather all of the available data just to make absolutely sure that his choice doesn't have any red flags.71Bear said:True. However, in this instance, Shanahan was very specific with his comments. He said that one reason he wanted to bump up from 12 was to avoid all the subterfuge. He indicated that he can now focus his search on a QB without the need to hide his intentions.Big C said:71Bear said:Shanahan and Lynch confirmed their interest in selecting a QB today. The only question - Fields, Lance or Jones.OaktownBear said:heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Regarding Sewell, tell that to Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery.
They didn't make this idiotic trade to draft an OL. Make no mistake. They are taking a QB.
As I said, historically speaking they have about as good a chance of getting a top QB with any of the 3 picks they gave up. They have mortgaged their future for the third QB in the draft and they will get either one of two guys who had a massive personnel advantage or a third guy who had a massive personnel advantage at an incredibly low level.
It is like buying a house. You do not fall in love.
They have a decent QB they can win with. Obviously they have chosen to roll the dice in the very unlikely event they get a generational talent. The NFL quarterback club is littered with busts that people who are supposed to know were convinced are special.
"All warfare is based on deception."
Exactly. People are saying you don't make that trade unless it's for a QB. Well, I'm sure that's what SF wants folks to think. If folks think SF is taking a QB, the #3 pick will continue to rise in value, making it possible for SF to actually trade it again and get even more back then they gave away.MoragaBear said:
I'd much rather them pick Sewell than give up so much for a reach with the 3rd QB in the draft who will certainly not be a can't miss guy.
I'll tell you what. You don't make that trade if you are after Fields, Lance or Jones. Deep down everybody knows that but I guess they think the 49ers are too stupid to realize that themselves.
Let me repeat, no NFL team with the clout of the 49ers makes that trade for Lance, Fields are Jones. Maybe the Bengals, Browns or Jets would do that, but not SF. Lynch and Shanahan are pretty conservative. They don't take risks. Those 3 QBs are a risks. Sewell and Wilson are not.
Could they have drafted a starting RT at #12? Maybe. But maybe not. Again it would have been taking a risk because, in many mock drafts, both Slater and Sewell and even Darrisaw are gone by pick #12.
You make that trade because you have your heart set on some guys that may not drop. I have harder time believing those guys are Fields, Lance and Jones than I do believing they are Wilson, Sewell and Slater. I also think they could go after a top WR. Any of those guys are more likely to make a difference for SF than the former 3 mentioned.
Everyone knows that and so does SF. The media is really good at getting it wrong, which is really helping SF right now because it is increasing the value of pick #3.
So, while it is true that Miami is playing chess and some other teams are playing checkers. SF could be playing chess too. I think the media is playing checkers.
Anytime you come up with made up rules of behavior like "you don't make that trade unless it is for a QB" you are playing checkers. Each team is different, has different needs, different financial situations and different goals. For the 49ers, it makes sense to give up a lot later for a high pick now because SF doesn't need many more pieces to have a contender for the next few years.
You could reasonably argue that all they need is a healthy Garappolo and a RT to protect him. That's doable with the #3 pick. Miami definitely is doing a great job of building capital and roster strength. But Miami is relying on an unproven QB that has had his own injury issues and was benched for an aging veteran back-up QB. Tui is largely hype at this point and that's it.
At least Garappolo has actually produced something worthwhile for SF. And the 49ers know that. Tui, Fields, Lance, Jones, Wilson--none of them have done jack in the NFL. So SF has a nice asset in Garappolo and they should invest in protecting him rather than replacing him. And I think they know that.
There's no way around it, what SF does with the #3 pick will decide Garappolo's future one way of the other. I don't understand your comment about jock itch. The media didn't just trade up but they decided the trade was for a QB. But the #3 pick does not put them in the range of Wilson. It does put them in the range to get Sewell. So you decide. Who would do more to help SF win a SB in 2021, Sewell (replacing McGlinchy), Fields, Jones or Lance? I think the answer is pretty obvious.mbBear said:"Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB." Okay, I don't know what a "fan source" is, but it' 2021, so the days of blaming the media for everything but your jock itch is over. The media didn't just trade up to be in the range of picking a notable QB. If they don't go that route, and pick like a Sewell, then that will be the loudest vote of confidence that Jimmy G. could receive.heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
Well done, but you forgot the sarcasm emoji....heartofthebear said:There's no way around it, what SF does with the #3 pick will decide Garappolo's future one way of the other. I don't understand your comment about jock itch. The media didn't just trade up but they decided the trade was for a QB. But the #3 pick does not put them in the range of Wilson. It does put them in the range to get Sewell. So you decide. Who would do more to help SF win a SB in 2021, Sewell (replacing McGlinchy), Fields, Jones or Lance? I think the answer is pretty obvious.mbBear said:"Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB." Okay, I don't know what a "fan source" is, but it' 2021, so the days of blaming the media for everything but your jock itch is over. The media didn't just trade up to be in the range of picking a notable QB. If they don't go that route, and pick like a Sewell, then that will be the loudest vote of confidence that Jimmy G. could receive.heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
heartofthebear said:There's no way around it, what SF does with the #3 pick will decide Garappolo's future one way of the other. I don't understand your comment about jock itch. The media didn't just trade up but they decided the trade was for a QB. But the #3 pick does not put them in the range of Wilson. It does put them in the range to get Sewell. So you decide. Who would do more to help SF win a SB in 2021, Sewell (replacing McGlinchy), Fields, Jones or Lance? I think the answer is pretty obvious.mbBear said:"Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB." Okay, I don't know what a "fan source" is, but it' 2021, so the days of blaming the media for everything but your jock itch is over. The media didn't just trade up to be in the range of picking a notable QB. If they don't go that route, and pick like a Sewell, then that will be the loudest vote of confidence that Jimmy G. could receive.heartofthebear said:
Everyone is saying this is for a QB but consider this:
- After FA signings SF has solved most of it's most urgent needs
- Their remaining issues are RT where McGlinchy has trouble with pass protection, depth at CB depth, a WR that can stretch the field and they have an injury prone QB.
- If they get a QB with #3 they have only solved one of the 4.
- If they get Sewell (OT from Oregon rated #1 OL in the draft and top 5 talent overall), they can put him at RT and solve 2 of the above problems. By better protecting Garappolo, they essentially gain a QB as well. IOW they effectively gain an OT and a QB by picking Sewell at #3.
According to scouts and media reports Sewell is as close to a generational talent at OT as it gets these days. Those same media sources claim that Wilson is going #2 and that the other guys left (Lance, Fields and Jones) are not as good and are probably not worth a top 5 pick.
Also, largely from media and fan sources is the ongoing myth that Garappolo is not capable of winning the SB. This is just a theory and cannot be proven one way or another. What is known is that Garappolo is seen as an effective leader in the locker room and on the field and is well liked by the players. He almost won a SB in his first fully healthy year as a starter. KC was favored in that SB and won going away and their were several contributing factors to the loss. There is absolutely no evidence that Trey Lance or Justin Fields will make the difference between getting to the SB and winning the SB. In fact neither of the 2 QBs have played much against high level college competition let alone NFL competition. And Fields hasn't even had a pro day yet, so the evaluation on him is limited right now. Similar things can be said about Jones.
Of the 4 QBs (Jones, Fields, Lance and Garappolo), I think Garappolo is the most likely to get SF to the SB again.
It is true that SF is unlikely to be able to draft a QB before Garappolo's contract expires because of what they gave up, making it necessary for them to pick up a QB at #3. But, if Garappolo wins them a SB in 2022 (2021 season), they will want to resign him anyway.
It all comes down to how you assess the 4 remaining issues SF has (listed above) and how important they are. To me, the most important problem is the combined issue at RT and the QB injury issue. We don't know if Garappolo will stay healthy even with Sewell at RT and we don't know that he will get injured again with McGlinchy at RT. But I'd rather roll the dice on that one, then roll the dice on Lance, Fields or Jones. To me, that is much greater risk to take.
If SF gives Garappolo a RT in round #1 and a deep threat WR in round #2, Garappolo can win SF a SB.
If SF drafts a QB in round 1, they will have to get an RT in round #2 after many of the top ones are off the board. So how is SF going to protect their new QB. QB elusiveness only goes so far?
Remember the last SB when Mahomes wasn't protected because his OTs were injured? That will be what Lance or Fields look like with McGlinchy still at RT for SF.
So they either gave up 3 years of first round picks (and a 3rd round pick) for a single OT or for a gamble at QB.
They could have stayed at #12 and either gotten Lance, Fields or Mac Jones at QB or Slater or Darrisaw at OT. I just don't see anyone available at #3 that will be so obviously better than the guys available at #12 to make giving up the next two years' #1s worth it.
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