This would probably force the ACC/Pac/Big10 to expand to 16 ...the options for the Pac is slim..Texas Tech Houston? TCU? I can't see the Pac grabbing K-State/KU. Oklahoma State/Iowa State would be weird pairings too.Strykur said:
The current Big-12 is kind of a joke, SEC expands to 16 teams proper, why not?
And a side note, what a way to start talking college football in July.
I would love to see how they circumvent the grant-of-rights agreement they signed that binds them to the B12 through June 2025. In other words, they can leave the B12 anytime they want but the B12 would retain their first and second tier media rights until 2025.MinotStateBeav said:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Texas-Oklahoma-reach-out-to-SEC-about-joining-16330080.php
That's pretty wild news today heh
A lot of Texas fans are saying its a failure and the Horns would probably dump it, if they leave.Chabbear said:
What about Texas and their Longhorn Network? That has been an issue in the past.
Fold it into the PAC12 Network. No one would notice.MinotStateBeav said:A lot of Texas fans are saying its a failure and the Horns would probably dump it, if they leave.Chabbear said:
What about Texas and their Longhorn Network? That has been an issue in the past.
Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
If the objective were a 16-team conference made up of schools from the Big 10 and Pac-12 (which was my premise), which schools would you replace Cal, Stanfurd, Colorado, Utah, Michigan State, Illinois, and Iowa with? Plus, Cal and Stanfurd are at least the equal of UCLA in football, which is what counts.71Bear said:Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
A bigger question is why the BiG would want to be saddled with teh p12 at all? The difference in TV revenue between the leagues is huge, and will only get worse.71Bear said:Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
Who would be left for the Big-10 to partner with,, other than the Pac-12. The ACC? There is no natural affinity between the ACC and the Big-10, and if Texas and Oklahama leave the Big 12, there is little left there to attract the Big-10. The Pac-12 is the only logical choice. And the revenue potential of a combined Pac-12 and Big-10 conference would be huge.Big Dog said:A bigger question is why the BiG would want to be saddled with teh p12 at all? The difference in TV revenue between the leagues is huge, and will only get worse.71Bear said:Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
Texas expected to inform Big 12 as nearly as next week it intends to leavehttps://t.co/LNCRPY1qqx
— Orangebloods.com (@OBWire) July 22, 2021
Who are you kidding? Cal equal to UCLA in Football? Basketball? Softball? Volleyball? I will have what you're smokingGolden One said:Cal and Stanfurd are at least the equal of UCLA in football, which is what counts.71Bear said:Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
It would require four separate divisions within the conference. Probably based on geography and/or tradition, but still allowing for facing teams in other divisions. We have an established relationship with B1G and have had that since the late 40's. There could be some exciting contests. (Arguably, we might have knocked off OSU at the Horseshoe, but for Tedford's conservatism.) Cal could play some teams we might never encounter, such as, Penn State and Iowa. The team that comes out on top in that conference must jump many hurdles, but could be a super team. It actually might reduce the recruiting power of SC, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, among others, and find four and five star recruits spread more evenly across the conference. It would also even up the presently lopsided power of the SEC with its own version of football strength. Television revenue would be divided evenly and every team would have a chance to play before the football nation. As an unintended consequence, It might finally get rid of that so-called Eastern Bias as members of the old Pac12 knock off the traditional Midwest powers.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
#BREAKING:
— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) July 22, 2021
Early next week, the @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will send a letter to the @Big12Conference stating that neither school will renew their media contracts when they expire in 2025.
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Who said anything about basketball, softball or volleyball? Certainly not me. And if you don't think Cal is the equal of UCLA in football, look at their respective records in recent history. Since 2003, UCLA's win-loss record is 112-109 and Cal's win-loss record during the same period is 115-103. So, actually in football, Cal is slightly better than UCLA. So, the fact is that I'm not at all kidding.BearinOC said:Who are you kidding? Cal equal to UCLA in Football? Basketball? Softball? Volleyball? I will have what you're smokingGolden One said:Cal and Stanfurd are at least the equal of UCLA in football, which is what counts.71Bear said:Why would Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, UW, UO and Wisconsin want to be saddled with the other schools you mentioned?Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
Just when I thought my first month on the job could not get more interesting…
— George Kliavkoff (@Kliavkoff) July 21, 2021
And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
I agree that this "merger" of the Big-10 and the Pac-12 makes a lot of sense and would be a powerful competitor to the SEC. Regarding Notre Dame, they are part of the ACC for football. Whether they would be motivated to jump to the SEC or the new Big-10/Pac-12 super conference is an open question.Bear8 said:It would require four separate divisions within the conference. Probably based on geography and/or tradition, but still allowing for facing teams in other divisions. We have an established relationship with B1G and have had that since the late 40's. There could be some exciting contests. (Arguably, we might have knocked off OSU at the Horseshoe, but for Tedford's conservatism.) Cal could play some teams we might never encounter, such as, Penn State and Iowa. The team that comes out on top in that conference must jump many hurdles, but could be a super team. It actually might reduce the recruiting power of SC, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, among others, and find four and five star recruits spread more evenly across the conference. It would also even up the presently lopsided power of the SEC with its own version of football strength. Television revenue would be divided evenly and every team would have a chance to play before the football nation. As an unintended consequence, It might finally get rid of that so-called Eastern Bias as members of the old Pac12 knock off the traditional Midwest powers.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
Omitted from the list are AZ and ASU from the Pac12 and Indiana and Minnesota from the B1G. I could see the Arizona schools joining the Big 12 and replacing OU and UT. IU and Minn. could pursue the ACC like Syracuse. Notice that Notre Dame is not mentioned anywhere.
I disagree. The combined Big-10/Pac-12 super conference would have enormous economic power and would generate substantial additional revenue for all of the member schools.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
Golden One said:I disagree. The combined Big-10/Pac-12 super conference would have enormous economic power and would generate substantial additional revenue for all of the member schools.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
And that is why any thought of the B10 and P12 getting together is laughable. Other than the LA schools UO and UW, the P12 brings nothing to the table. The B10 is #2 with a wide gulf before #3 ACC shows up on the pecking order of football conferences. It makes absolutely no sense for them to take on mid-level schools (based on football results) from any other conference. The P12 is far more likely to pick over the scraps of the B12 after TX and OK leave that conference.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
The PAC12 can't compete with the SEC in its current configuration let alone the expanded version. The imbalance is most pronounced in football but look at the gains the SEC has made in sports the PAC once dominated: baseball, softball, track & field. This is phase 1 of the Superleague.BearForce2 said:
I don't see how the Pac-12 can compete with a 16 team SEC plus Texas, Oklahoma super-conference no matter who we choose to align ourselves with. The Big 10 may reach out to some schools from the ACC since they've always been interested in gaining more exposure to the east coast and I don't think they want any Big 12 leftovers.
Pac-12 should go smaller, dump Utah and Colorado, and go back to the Pac-10. Then we'd have a 1 in 10 chance of going to the Rose Bowl if the bowl tie ins are still intact. That's more enticing than the idea of playing in the college football playoffs for the national championship since you're eventually going to play Alabama in some domed stadium far away and lose badly. The goal is Pasadena, always has, always will be unless evil people screw things up for us.
This is really a pipe dream for Cal. Be serious, a 'Super Conference' wants nothing to do with Cal - and don't tell me about the TV market, Cal does not even pull in big ratings numbers locally. The university and the alumni base will never make that big of a commitment. Even here (Growls) where the delusional Cal fan hangs out, the opinion is split on Cal's football future.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
A merger is DOA for reason discussed below, but a realignment is not.Golden One said:I disagree. The combined Big-10/Pac-12 super conference would have enormous economic power and would generate substantial additional revenue for all of the member schools.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
I really wouldn't mind if the P12 picked over the scraps of the B12 for 4 more teams, so we have what the failed Larry Scott tried, a P16 with an eastern and western division, the western division being the old P8.71Bear said:And that is why any thought of the B10 and P12 getting together is laughable. Other than the LA schools UO and UW, the P12 brings nothing to the table. The B10 is #2 with a wide gulf before #3 ACC shows up on the pecking order of football conferences. It makes absolutely no sense for them to take on mid-level schools (based on football results) from any other conference. The P12 is far more likely to pick over the scraps of the B12 after TX and OK leave that conference.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
I'm afraid '71 nailed it.71Bear said:And that is why any thought of the B10 and P12 getting together is laughable. Other than the LA schools UO and UW, the P12 brings nothing to the table. The B10 is #2 with a wide gulf before #3 ACC shows up on the pecking order of football conferences. It makes absolutely no sense for them to take on mid-level schools (based on football results) from any other conference. The P12 is far more likely to pick over the scraps of the B12 after TX and OK leave that conference.wifeisafurd said:And make no economic sense for the Big 10. Lot of red ink in those Pac 12 schools to subsidize.Golden One said:
How far the Pac-12 has fallen. Wasn't too many years ago that the rumors had Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac-12.
What about the Pac-12 and the Big-10 getting together to form a second "super conference". If they went for 16 teams, the lineup could be ( 8 from each conference):
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanfurd
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Utah
That would be a pretty compelling lineup.
