GivemTheAxe said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Fully masked San Francisco, with one of the highest vaccination rates on earth, has now matched their highest case rate of the pandemic, so can we stop pretending yet that masks matter or that “intermingling” of vaccinated & unvaccinated people is the reason cases have increased? pic.twitter.com/1LK7CEQ1CA

— IM (@ianmSC) August 8, 2021

Infections in S.F. are up, hospitalization numbers have stayed the same. Yes densely populated cities are more vulnerable.

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Encouraging development: UCSF has reported today that San Francisco appears to have turned the corner on the D variant and new cases have been trending downward. The first US major city to report having turned the corner.

[UCSF credits the positive developments to high vaccination rates and masking mandates.]

But this is a positive development for Cal and the BAy Area and should (hopefully) dissuade the City of Berkeley from imposing any ADDITIONAL requirements (other than those already in place).

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Thanks for sharing this. Fingers crossed!

Unit2Sucks said:

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BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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According to the commissioner, 8 of the 12 Pac football programs are at 80%+ and 4 of those are at 90%+. We will see if that number increases before the first game. I would suspect that Cal is one of the 8 and hopefully one of the 4 but that's just speculation for now.

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Cal's football team vaccination rate might be a problem. This is from the last item in Wilner's last mailbag column: https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/20/hotline-mailbag-covid-protocols-vax-rates-mask-mandates-big-ten-alliance-directv-outlook-and-more/

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We published all the available vaccination rates this week. But since that point, Arizona announced an increase to 100%. (Well done, Wildcats.)

UCLA, Washington and Colorado are close to 100%, with Utah, USC, Oregon, Oregon State and Stanford not far behind, followed by WSU.

Arizona State and Cal unfortunately declined to provide data.

We expected as much from ASU the school has been a black hole for COVID information since the pandemic began but Cal's stance is disappointing.

The full list can be found here.

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Oh interesting, so I guess Cal was one of the 4 but it was not the top 4 lol. We still really don't know where ASU and Cal are. It's disappointing that we don't know what's going on with Cal but encouraging that most of the conference is reaching a high degree of vaccination.

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We've seen reports that Cal was over 90% a couple weeks ago. But the lack of transparency leads to negative press. If it's true that Cal's compliance rate (vaccination plus bona fide exemptions) is >90%, then it's too bad Cal is leaving itself open to the negative press (and missing the opportunity for good press).

Well now we know Cal got to 99% vaccinated. Interesting result in the context of this prior thread.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Well now we know Cal got to 99% vaccinated. Interesting result in the context of this prior thread.

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Yeah, 99% were immunized, at any rate...

Unless college football players get "boosted," based on the upcoming Holidays and the prevailing wisdom of "this pandemic is behind us," there may be more than a few teams with Covid issues going into bowl season.*

*This is layman speculation. Maybe it is "behind us" and I'm just paranoid.

bearister said:

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Unless college football players get "boosted," based on the upcoming Holidays and the prevailing wisdom of "this pandemic is behind us," there may be more than a few teams with Covid issues going into bowl season.*

*This is layman speculation. Maybe it is "behind us" and I'm just paranoid.

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You are right. It will get worse before it gets better. At least we don't have to worry about missing a bowl game.

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Unless college football players get "boosted," based on the upcoming Holidays and the prevailing wisdom of "this pandemic is behind us," there may be more than a few teams with Covid issues going into bowl season.*

*This is layman speculation. Maybe it is "behind us" and I'm just paranoid.

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Let's back up. The Pac 12 rules is that vaccinated players with no symptoms do not have to be tested, as of August 21. Unvaccinated players have to be tested weekly. Some well regarded poster with a medical background put something else abut how vaccinated players are tested every week, but he is wrong, what he said on weekly tested was the 2020 season when players were unvaccinated, and I'm happy to cite hundreds of articles that say otherwise. Here is one:https://www.kron4.com/news/national/pac-12-says-teams-unable-to-play-because-of-covid-must-forfeit/. This is pretty much the P5 standard. You can argue the public policy of not testing vaccinated players, and other policies aimed at incentivizing people to get shots elsewhere.

The conference rule can be superseded by local law for a specific program. There have been sites to the COB policy posted here. I suggest everyone read them. At other schools only the unvaccinated and vaccinated players with symptoms get tested. At Cal, everyone gets tested once there is a positive test. There are over 20 guys, many starters, who then tested positive without symptoms. Hopefully that puts that to bed.

Now for Bearister. You are not paranoid. If Cal testing statistically pulled in over 20% more of the team, is likley is that over 20% percent of other team rosters have the same problem with no symptom carriers if they were forced to test like Cal under COB rules. Sluggo does this for a living, so take his word for this. The reasons for this many break though cases is best left to experts, but from what seems to be written the primary culprit for break thoughs in waring efficacy in vaccines and variant C-19 strands.

wifeisafurd said:

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bearister said:

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Unless college football players get "boosted," based on the upcoming Holidays and the prevailing wisdom of "this pandemic is behind us," there may be more than a few teams with Covid issues going into bowl season.*

*This is layman speculation. Maybe it is "behind us" and I'm just paranoid.

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Let's back up. The Pac 12 rules is that vaccinated players with no symptoms do not have to be tested, as of August 21. Unvaccinated players have to be tested weekly. Some well regarded poster with a medical background put something else abut how vaccinated players are tested every week, but he is wrong, what he said on weekly tested was the 2020 season when players were unvaccinated, and I'm happy to cite hundreds of articles that say otherwise. Here is one:https://www.kron4.com/news/national/pac-12-says-teams-unable-to-play-because-of-covid-must-forfeit/. This is pretty much the P5 standard. You can argue the public policy of not testing vaccinated players, and other policies aimed at incentivizing people to get shots elsewhere.

The conference rule can be superseded by local law for a specific program. There have been sites to the COB policy posted here. I suggest everyone read them. At other schools only the unvaccinated and vaccinated players with symptoms get tested. At Cal, everyone gets tested once there is a positive test. There are over 20 guys, many starters, who then tested positive without symptoms. Hopefully that puts that to bed.

Now for Bearister. You are not paranoid. If Cal testing statistically pulled in over 20% more of the team, is likley is that over 20% percent of other team rosters have the same problem with no symptom carriers if they were forced to test like Cal under COB rules. Sluggo does this for a living, so take his word for this. The reasons for this many break though cases is best left to experts, but from what seems to be written the primary culprit for break thoughs in waring efficacy in vaccines and variant C-19 strands.

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Add: the game is on. Buckle up, it will be a wild ride with the limited roster.