Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants. Instead, we're in a period of uncertainty, because on the other side of the coin there are the overly-cautious folks who are afraid to let vaccinated people congregate outside.

And to think I sometimes catch crap for being middle-of-the-road. Sheesh...

GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

Spoke with someone in the athletic department. They said to expect masks in indoor spaces (e.g. the clubs) and no masks in the outdoor seats.

RJABear said:

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Spoke with someone in the athletic department. They said to expect masks in indoor spaces (e.g. the clubs) and no masks in the outdoor seats.

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That's good news. Glad I didn't shell out the "big bucks" to purchase club seats.

(I wouldn't have done so any way. A few times I was able to get free tix in the club area. Although the food was nice and although it would be nice to be indoors during inclement weather, I didn't like the club seating because it didn't have that "real game" feeling. And I got some strange looks from the people sitting around me when I reverted to my "crazy Cal fan mode" screaming and stomping my feet.
"How uncouth!")

Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants...

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He told you not to get political, yet there you go bashing patriots, you filthy commie b@stard!

GivemTheAxe said:

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RJABear said:

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Spoke with someone in the athletic department. They said to expect masks in indoor spaces (e.g. the clubs) and no masks in the outdoor seats.

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That's good news. Glad I didn't shell out the "big bucks" to purchase club seats.

(I wouldn't have done so any way. A few times I was able to get free tix in the club area. Although the food was nice and although it would be nice to be indoors during inclement weather, I didn't like the club seating because it didn't have that "real game" feeling. And I got some strange looks from the people sitting around me when I reverted to my "crazy Cal fan mode" screaming and stomping my feet.
"How uncouth!")

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No kidding. I have been in there a couple of times with high rollers so they could show me what I wasn't missing. Business meetings and social cliques at a football game? Bizarre. Of course, Cal was getting crushed both times.

Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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"safely assume"

There are two words you never see back to back in this era. Heck, the only thing I can safely assume today is that I will not be around to see my grandson celebrate his 60th birthday. Otherwise, anything is possible.

71Bear said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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"safely assume"

There are two words you never see back to back in this era. Heck, the only thing I can safely assume today is that I will not be around to see my grandson celebrate his 60th birthday. Otherwise, anything is possible.

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You actually may be singing your grandson Happy Birthday on his 60th ( but you better have money trees in your back yard or be getting an SF Fireman pension).

Humans Could Live up to 150 Years, New Research Suggests - Scientific American


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-could-live-up-to-150-years-new-research-suggests/


*I can see it now. An 80 year old goes out to get the newspaper in the morning and a tree falls on him and kills him. His funeral is a sad affair because that tree deprived him of 70 years of the best years of his life.

bearister said:

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71Bear said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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"safely assume"

There are two words you never see back to back in this era. Heck, the only thing I can safely assume today is that I will not be around to see my grandson celebrate his 60th birthday. Otherwise, anything is possible.

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You actually may be singing your grandson Happy Birthday on his 60th ( but you better have money trees in your back yard or be getting an SF Fireman pension).

Humans Could Live up to 150 Years, New Research Suggests - Scientific American


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-could-live-up-to-150-years-new-research-suggests/


*I can see it now. An 80 year old goes out to get the newspaper in the morning and a tree falls on him and kills him. His funeral is a sad affair because that tree deprived him of 70 years of the best years of his life.

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If humans start living to 150 years, then we'll start seeing complaints about:

1. Cal not having been to the Rose Bowl in 150 years.

2. The retirement age being raised to 140 years.

Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants.

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There's actually a pretty good argument that the fact that the vaccine program was so rushed and because they are in fact "leaky" vaccines, that the vaccines are actually causing/will cause the more dangerous variants . Fyi im fully vaccinated and not and "anti vaxer" at all. But the argument us compelling.

Talk amongst yourselves...

AXLBear said:

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Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants.

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There's actually a pretty good argument that the fact that the vaccine program was so rushed and because they are in fact "leaky" vaccines, that the vaccines are actually causing/will cause the more dangerous variants . Fyi im fully vaccinated and not and "anti vaxer" at all. But the argument us compelling.

Talk amongst yourselves...

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I stay pretty up on pandemic issues and have not ever heard of what you suggest, so I'm going to say that it's likely ridiculous, but if you are right, time will tell. In the meantime, I can sort of understand why the vaccines were "so rushed".

Honestly, when you make it a point to claim to not be an "anti vaxer" at all, but speculate as you did, something doesn't ring true. It sort of reminds me -- in a different scenario, not referring to you -- of when somebody says, "I'm not a racist, but... ".

Big C said:

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AXLBear said:

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Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants.

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There's actually a pretty good argument that the fact that the vaccine program was so rushed and because they are in fact "leaky" vaccines, that the vaccines are actually causing/will cause the more dangerous variants . Fyi im fully vaccinated and not and "anti vaxer" at all. But the argument us compelling.

Talk amongst yourselves...

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I stay pretty up on pandemic issues and have not ever heard of what you suggest, so I'm going to say that it's likely ridiculous, but if you are right, time will tell. In the meantime, I can sort of understand why the vaccines were "so rushed".

Honestly, when you make it a point to claim to not be an "anti vaxer" at all, but speculate as you did, something doesn't ring true. It sort of reminds me -- in a different scenario, not referring to you -- of when somebody says, "I'm not a racist, but... ".

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You can criticize or question the current EUA covid vaccines and not be anti-vaxxer.

You can take as an indicator of what local health officials are allowing the unmasked crowd at a recent concert at the Greek Theater, a stone's throw from Memorial Stadium:

I wonder what protocols the Pac12 conference will have in place this season for testing and quarantining. As you may recall from last season, an entire position group could be wiped out by one positive test due to the contact tracing/quarantining protocols.

Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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To be in class in person - so yes. Zoom may still be an option if you are not vaccinated.

Zoom football is a thing?

Original Tecmo Bowl. I got the Raiders.

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oski003 said:

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Big C said:

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AXLBear said:

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Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants.

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There's actually a pretty good argument that the fact that the vaccine program was so rushed and because they are in fact "leaky" vaccines, that the vaccines are actually causing/will cause the more dangerous variants . Fyi im fully vaccinated and not and "anti vaxer" at all. But the argument us compelling.

Talk amongst yourselves...

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I stay pretty up on pandemic issues and have not ever heard of what you suggest, so I'm going to say that it's likely ridiculous, but if you are right, time will tell. In the meantime, I can sort of understand why the vaccines were "so rushed".

Honestly, when you make it a point to claim to not be an "anti vaxer" at all, but speculate as you did, something doesn't ring true. It sort of reminds me -- in a different scenario, not referring to you -- of when somebody says, "I'm not a racist, but... ".

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You can criticize or question the current EUA covid vaccines and not be anti-vaxxer.

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You can also without doubt, support the current President, be a racist, and be up to date with your vaccinations.

I expect they will require proof of vaccination (as they do for the rest of campus), but also require masks if Delta is still raging by then.

oski003 said:

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Big C said:

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AXLBear said:

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Big C said:

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This situation could pretty much be in our rear view mirror right now, were it not for the vaccine-resisters and the vaccine-hesitants.

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There's actually a pretty good argument that the fact that the vaccine program was so rushed and because they are in fact "leaky" vaccines, that the vaccines are actually causing/will cause the more dangerous variants . Fyi im fully vaccinated and not and "anti vaxer" at all. But the argument us compelling.

Talk amongst yourselves...

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I stay pretty up on pandemic issues and have not ever heard of what you suggest, so I'm going to say that it's likely ridiculous, but if you are right, time will tell. In the meantime, I can sort of understand why the vaccines were "so rushed".

Honestly, when you make it a point to claim to not be an "anti vaxer" at all, but speculate as you did, something doesn't ring true. It sort of reminds me -- in a different scenario, not referring to you -- of when somebody says, "I'm not a racist, but... ".

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You can criticize or question the current EUA covid vaccines and not be anti-vaxxer.

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Or Maybe you are not an anti-vaxxer but are just trolling this thread to stir up anti-vaxxer arguments and get this thread off track.

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You can take as an indicator of what local health officials are allowing the unmasked crowd at a recent concert at the Greek Theater, a stone's throw from Memorial Stadium:

I wonder what protocols the Pac12 conference will have in place this season for testing and quarantining. As you may recall from last season, an entire position group could be wiped out by one positive test due to the contact tracing/quarantining protocols.

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I hope not.
The vaccines have proven effective against the current variants. Yes there have been break through infections but at a much much lower rate.

Therefore in my opinion players who have been vaccinated should not necessarily be subjected to the same quarantine restrictions as they were last year before the vaccines were available.

Maybe the quarantine restrictions should be imposed only on unvaccinated players. They are much more at risk than vaccinated players.

GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Honestly, when you make it a point to claim to not be an "anti vaxer" at all, but speculate as you did, something doesn't ring true. It sort of reminds me -- in a different scenario, not referring to you -- of when somebody says, "I'm not a racist, but... ".

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Or Maybe you are not an anti-vaxxer but are just trolling this thread to stir up anti-vaxxer arguments and get this thread off track.

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Calling into question people's motives and characters is not a good way to keep any serious discussion on track.

Why no food or drinks? I thought the virus did not spread through food? Are they worried about interaction between a fan and a concession worker? This could actually be ok if I can bring in coke in an ice chest with sandwiches. They will probably expect you to drink hot soda or water. Concessions is not the reason I go or not.

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Why no food or drinks? I thought the virus did not spread through food? Are they worried about interaction between a fan and a concession worker? This could actually be ok if I can bring in coke in an ice chest with sandwiches. They will probably expect you to drink hot soda or water. Concessions is not the reason I go or not.

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The stadium is still located in Berkeley. The health officials in Berkeley are very likely to be overly cautious. I do not go because of concessions either, but it is a convenience since they allow very little outside things into the stadium.

I hope these variants get under control quickly. I do not think it can stay as is much longer before the health officials start to impose even more restrictions.

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Is it more normal for you to stay inside and not go to a game you otherwise want to go to? Seems like either way it's not going to be what you would normally do, so why not let the "not normal" thing you do include going to the game you want to go to?

I, too, am hoping they won't require masks at games, but if that's all I have to do to attend a game for the first time in two years, and especially for this potentially special season, then that's an easy call for me. Put it this way, if last year they said I could attend a game by just wearing a mask, that would have been a no-brainer for me.

Not trying to convince you otherwise. Everyone's got to do what works best for them from the options available.

It occurs to me that the states with exploding numbers for covid-19 hospitalizations are the ones that will be packing in the most football fans at stadiums with enormous capacity when the season starts at the end of this month. At the site below, you can use the "select a jurisdiction" feature and enter states like Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Texas, Arkansas and Missouri to see the trends in covid-19 hospitalizations. Yikes!

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations

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Why no food or drinks? I thought the virus did not spread through food? Are they worried about interaction between a fan and a concession worker? This could actually be ok if I can bring in coke in an ice chest with sandwiches. They will probably expect you to drink hot soda or water. Concessions is not the reason I go or not.

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IIRC at first COVID was thought to be spread by direct and indirect personal contact. Later it was determined to be spread primarily through a person's breath. Hence the importance of masks.
I don't believe that the CDC said it cannot be spread by personal contact. But that it was being transmitted PRIMARILY by a person's breath.
So careful hand washing still remains important

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Why no food or drinks? I thought the virus did not spread through food? Are they worried about interaction between a fan and a concession worker? This could actually be ok if I can bring in coke in an ice chest with sandwiches. They will probably expect you to drink hot soda or water. Concessions is not the reason I go or not.

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Last season I would have worn a hazmat suit to attend a game. I'll wear a mask and hopefully the wanna-be head coaches that sit around me will do the same!!

drizzlybear said:

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6956bear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Is it more normal for you to stay inside and not go to a game you otherwise want to go to? Seems like either way it's not going to be what you would normally do, so why not let the "not normal" thing you do include going to the game you want to go to?

I, too, am hoping they won't require masks at games, but if that's all I have to do to attend a game for the first time in two years, and especially for this potentially special season, then that's an easy call for me. Put it this way, if last year they said I could attend a game by just wearing a mask, that would have been a no-brainer for me.

Not trying to convince you otherwise. Everyone's got to do what works best for them from the options available.

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I know myself. Quite well actually. And I know that I will not enjoy sitting through a 3+ hour event outdoors with a mask on. It is really just that simple. I have to wear a mask for hours on end while I work, and hate it. So when I can I go without. I follow the rules regarding masks, but I avoid situations that require one if possible.

I am happy for you that wearing a mask does not have the same impact on you as it does me.