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drizzlybear said:

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6956bear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Is it more normal for you to stay inside and not go to a game you otherwise want to go to? Seems like either way it's not going to be what you would normally do, so why not let the "not normal" thing you do include going to the game you want to go to?

I, too, am hoping they won't require masks at games, but if that's all I have to do to attend a game for the first time in two years, and especially for this potentially special season, then that's an easy call for me. Put it this way, if last year they said I could attend a game by just wearing a mask, that would have been a no-brainer for me.

Not trying to convince you otherwise. Everyone's got to do what works best for them from the options available.

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I know myself. Quite well actually. And I know that I will not enjoy sitting through a 3+ hour event outdoors with a mask on. It is really just that simple. I have to wear a mask for hours on end while I work, and hate it. So when I can I go without. I follow the rules regarding masks, but I avoid situations that require one if possible.

I am happy for you that wearing a mask does not have the same impact on you as it does me.

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I am with you.

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Assuming there is no legal challenge to the vac requirement, I would think one of the safest things to be is a vaccinated Cal student athlete, at least in theory. That said, there is a lot of noise down in LA (previously known at the COVID capital of the world) to not start in person classes. We have an indoor mask mandate and other protocols starting. As many a Pac program found out last year, it is not necessarily about you, but also your opponent. USC and UCLA start getting impacted, everyone else is impacted. Moreover, Cal and the Berkley Health tend to be conservative which means if they say it is safe to go to Memorial I believe it, but also means to expect to lot of protocols that could impact the team as things get worse. For example, the team goes to Texas for its second game, might the locals enforce a quarantine upon the team's return?

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It occurs to me that the states with exploding numbers for covid-19 hospitalizations are the ones that will be packing in the most football fans at stadiums with enormous capacity when the season starts at the end of this month. At the site below, you can use the "select a jurisdiction" feature and enter states like Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Texas, Arkansas and Missouri to see the trends in covid-19 hospitalizations. Yikes!

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations

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You might want to add Los Angeles, Arizona, Oregon, and Salt Lake City which are experiences significant spikes. As I said in prior post, Cal doesn't live in a vacuum, and what happens in LA (or Fort Worth for that matter) can impact the football program and Berkley regulators.

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Assuming there is no legal challenge to the vac requirement, I would think one of the safest things to be is a vaccinated Cal student athlete, at least in theory. That said, there is a lot of noise down in LA (previously known at the COVID capital of the world) to not start in person classes. We have an indoor mask mandate and other protocols starting. As many a Pac program found out last year, it is not necessarily about you, but also your opponent. USC and UCLA start getting impacted, everyone else is impacted. Moreover, Cal and the Berkley Health tend to be conservative which means if they say it is safe to go to Memorial I believe it, but also means to expect to lot of protocols that could impact the team as things get worse. For example, the team goes to Texas for its second game, might the locals enforce a quarantine upon the team's return?

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It is these types of scenarios that make me think that vaccine mandates are the best solution. I mean, kids are required to have their vaccinations to be in elementary school and there has always been high compliance. Time for COVID. I expect when the vaccines receive full authorization in another month or two, it will be easier to do this. Also looking forward to EUA for kids under twelve.

Do what new york does. Dont allow them in bars without proof of vaccination.

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wifeisafurd said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Assuming there is no legal challenge to the vac requirement, I would think one of the safest things to be is a vaccinated Cal student athlete, at least in theory. That said, there is a lot of noise down in LA (previously known at the COVID capital of the world) to not start in person classes. We have an indoor mask mandate and other protocols starting. As many a Pac program found out last year, it is not necessarily about you, but also your opponent. USC and UCLA start getting impacted, everyone else is impacted. Moreover, Cal and the Berkley Health tend to be conservative which means if they say it is safe to go to Memorial I believe it, but also means to expect to lot of protocols that could impact the team as things get worse. For example, the team goes to Texas for its second game, might the locals enforce a quarantine upon the team's return?

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It is these types of scenarios that make me think that vaccine mandates are the best solution. I mean, kids are required to have their vaccinations to be in elementary school and there has always been high compliance. Time for COVID. I expect when the vaccines receive full authorization in another month or two, it will be easier to do this. Also looking forward to EUA for kids under twelve.

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Preaching to the choir, though my choir doesn't always win at the SCOTUS level.

AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Do you have any evidence of that?

There is considerable overlap between the groups that play football and the groups not getting vaccinated.

Last I heard, from a reliable source, vaccinating players across D1 wasn't going particularly well, but that was months ago, before the campus mandates. It should go without saying that players don't have to attend class in person to stay eligible.

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drizzlybear said:

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6956bear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Is it more normal for you to stay inside and not go to a game you otherwise want to go to? Seems like either way it's not going to be what you would normally do, so why not let the "not normal" thing you do include going to the game you want to go to?

I, too, am hoping they won't require masks at games, but if that's all I have to do to attend a game for the first time in two years, and especially for this potentially special season, then that's an easy call for me. Put it this way, if last year they said I could attend a game by just wearing a mask, that would have been a no-brainer for me.

Not trying to convince you otherwise. Everyone's got to do what works best for them from the options available.

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I know myself. Quite well actually. And I know that I will not enjoy sitting through a 3+ hour event outdoors with a mask on. It is really just that simple. I have to wear a mask for hours on end while I work, and hate it. So when I can I go without. I follow the rules regarding masks, but I avoid situations that require one if possible.

I am happy for you that wearing a mask does not have the same impact on you as it does me.

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As one poster suggested, I doubt that we will be required to wear masks in the open parts of the stadium. They might be required in the closed in concession areas like North Tunnel or the Club seats

But if masks are required any where i am in the Stadim, I would use a device that I recently purchased. It is called " Cool Turtle" it is plastic frame that fits under your face mask. It keeps your mask away from your face.
I started using it recently when working out at 24 hour Fitness. I found that when breathing hard, my mask would collapse around my mouth making it difficult to breath. The Cool Turtle lets me breath. Very inexpensive at Rite-Aid. $9.00 for 7.
Sorry if this sounds like a commercial. I am doing this only as a service for Cal fans.

Give em the vax the vax the vax, Give em the vax the vax the vax, Give em the vax, Give em the vax, Give em the vax, where?!

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Give em the vax the vax the vax, Give em the vax the vax the vax, Give em the vax, Give em the vax, Give em the vax, where?!

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Nice!

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drizzlybear said:

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6956bear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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Good luck on having a non political discussion. This is after all a Cal fan site.

Question 1 - I do expect some restrictions. Proof of vaccine and masks both possible IMO.

Question 2 - I think the P12 has already said not having sufficient players will be a forfeit (loss). And one positive test could easily lead to a forfeit. Perhaps 2 depending on timing. One positive test could potentially lead to an entire position group being quarantined. Vaccinated or not.

Question 3 - Attendance almost certainly will be impacted. I think no food or drink service is possible

A major HS game in SoCal was already cancelled due to a couple of positive tests. This could be a major issue again.

I personally will not attend if masks are required. I am vaccinated and wish to resume as normal a life as possible. For me, masks at an outdoor football game is not normal and I will not attend. I get that others will, and I have no problem with that POV. Just does not work for me.

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Is it more normal for you to stay inside and not go to a game you otherwise want to go to? Seems like either way it's not going to be what you would normally do, so why not let the "not normal" thing you do include going to the game you want to go to?

I, too, am hoping they won't require masks at games, but if that's all I have to do to attend a game for the first time in two years, and especially for this potentially special season, then that's an easy call for me. Put it this way, if last year they said I could attend a game by just wearing a mask, that would have been a no-brainer for me.

Not trying to convince you otherwise. Everyone's got to do what works best for them from the options available.

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I know myself. Quite well actually. And I know that I will not enjoy sitting through a 3+ hour event outdoors with a mask on. It is really just that simple. I have to wear a mask for hours on end while I work, and hate it. So when I can I go without. I follow the rules regarding masks, but I avoid situations that require one if possible.

I am happy for you that wearing a mask does not have the same impact on you as it does me.

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You conclude that because someone else will wear a mask in order to attend a Cal game, wearing a mask does not have the same impact on that person as it does on you. That isn't necessarily the case.

Perhaps the difference between you and some of us willing to wear masks to a Cal football game isn't how much wearing a mask impacts us, but how it impacts us not to go to the Cal game.

I HATE wearing a mask for more than a few minutes. But both of us are willing to wear a mask for long periods of time for the right reason -- you wear a mask for hours on end while you work. It is apparently important to you to keep your job, more important than avoiding the mask for hours on end, so you do it. It is obviously not so important for you to attend a Cal football game. I sure hope that being fully vaccinated will mean I don't need a mask this fall. But if a mask is required, I'll still be there, not because I don't hate the mask, but because I hate staying away from Memorial even more than I hate the mask.

Don't hear what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong if you don't hate staying away as much as some of us. In fact, it is probably a sign of better mental health if you are not one of us who would wear a hazmat suit to attend a Cal football game, but yes, I would wear a hazmat suit to attend the game if it was required.

As drizzlybear pointed out, for many of us, being absent from Memorial for a home game is not normal. I want to maximize my return to normalcy, and for me, wearing a mask to a football game if required is a greater return to normalcy than staying away, in spite of how much I totally hate wearing that mask for 3 1/2 hours or more and fine it abnormal.

If there is a mask requirement, each of us will have to decide how to balance abnormalities. If being somewhere other than Memorial Stadium while there is a Cal football game being played in Berkeley is more normal for you than going to the game in a mask, and you need maximize normalcy, by all means, don't go, I praise you for having reasonable limits to passion for Cal football. Just don't conclude that the mask has less impact on me than you, when it just might be that it has the same impact on me, but staying away from the game has less impact on you. Do what's best for you, just don't come to the wrong conclusions about me.

I'd rather wear a mask, then have Cal put even greater restrictions on fans attending games

you can look at masks as a bad thing, or you can look at them as better than stricter requirements

with that said, I would hope Cal does not require masks when outdoors, especially after they've renumbered the bench seats to spread them out further (I wasn't in love with how tightly spaced the seats were anyway, so I think having more space between seats is actually one of the few benefits that Covid has had on Cal football)

Everybody has their individual cost/benefit. Me, I would grudgingly wear a mask... but not a hazmat suit.

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Spoke with someone in the athletic department. They said to expect masks in indoor spaces (e.g. the clubs) and no masks in the outdoor seats.

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That's good news. Glad I didn't shell out the "big bucks" to purchase club seats.

(I wouldn't have done so any way. A few times I was able to get free tix in the club area. Although the food was nice and although it would be nice to be indoors during inclement weather, I didn't like the club seating because it didn't have that "real game" feeling. And I got some strange looks from the people sitting around me when I reverted to my "crazy Cal fan mode" screaming and stomping my feet.
"How uncouth!")

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You should sit near Sebasta's group. They joined me in ripping it up. It was Big Game, but still. We had a real good time.

About the club, I think of it as a restaurant. Most of the time people will have masks off because they are eating and drinking. Which makes me give the clubs the side-eye this fall.

So we divide the stadium between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Those who were vaccinated and caught Covid afterward will not be allowed in the stadium since they will be considered bad luck. Masks will be required in both sections. The only time masks will not be required is when you're eating or drinking so if you pretend like you're sipping on soda the entire game you should be fine. If you're inside the Stadium Club, masks should be worn at all times, no eating and drinking will be allowed since the risk of indoor virus transmission is high. Hydration via intravenous therapy will be provided. Anyone without a KN95 mask will be not be allowed inside the stadium since most other types of masks are useless against the virus.

Therefore, assuming 25,000 attendance for the Nevada game and an unvaccinated rate of 40%, we can expect 10,000 unvaccinated fans sitting in a separate section. Assuming 20% of those people will be infected during the game and a 99.7% survival rate, 6 people will be expected to die. The other 1,994 will be expected to recover and develop antibodies to the virus. However, these people will continue to sit in the unvaccinated section in future games until they're vaccinated. Next season, those who didn't get their vaccine booster shots will be considered unvaccinated and will be required to sit in the unvaccinated section.

By Sept 4 vaccines will likely be mandatory. The question is will anti vaxxers get the vaccine or stay away. The degree of fandom and support will be revealed.

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By Sept 4 vaccines will likely be mandatory. The question is will anti vaxxers get the vaccine or stay away. The degree of fandom and support will be revealed.

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plus ticket-loss of vaccinated bears too leery of delta or lambda or whatever bonus flavors; wild guessing as much as half of old blues. [ hoops' too ]

In the video chat from earlier today, found on the web page linked below, the Cal campus health officials talk about what campus health precautions will be like this fall when classes start in two weeks, and give their perspectives on the state of the pandemic. At minute 26.00 in the video they start talking briefly about football games. It sounds like they believe at this time that (1) vaccine attestations will be required for entry, (2) masks will be handed out at the entry gates; (3) masks will be required indoors within the stadium but not outdoors. I'd assume that like everything else with this pandemic, things can change if conditions change.

https://campusconversations.berkeley.edu/

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In the video chat from earlier today, found on the web page linked below, the Cal campus health officials talk about what campus health precautions will be like this fall when classes start in two weeks, and give their perspectives on the state of the pandemic. At minute 26.00 in the video they start talking briefly about football games. It sounds like they believe at this time that (1) vaccine attestations will be required for entry, (2) masks will be handed out at the entry gates; (3) masks will be required indoors within the stadium but not outdoors. I'd assume that like everything else with this pandemic, things can change if conditions change.

https://campusconversations.berkeley.edu/

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Thanks for sharing that. I hope that "attestations" means more than just verbal indication.

drizzlybear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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In the video chat from earlier today, found on the web page linked below, the Cal campus health officials talk about what campus health precautions will be like this fall when classes start in two weeks, and give their perspectives on the state of the pandemic. At minute 26.00 in the video they start talking briefly about football games. It sounds like they believe at this time that (1) vaccine attestations will be required for entry, (2) masks will be handed out at the entry gates; (3) masks will be required indoors within the stadium but not outdoors. I'd assume that like everything else with this pandemic, things can change if conditions change.

https://campusconversations.berkeley.edu/

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Thanks for sharing that. I hope that "attestations" means more than just verbal indication.

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I have been carrying around a photo of my vaccination card on my iPhone for months and months "just in case".
So far I have used it only once. My employer recently requested a copy in its preparation for a "return to the office" next month.

GivemTheAxe said:

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drizzlybear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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In the video chat from earlier today, found on the web page linked below, the Cal campus health officials talk about what campus health precautions will be like this fall when classes start in two weeks, and give their perspectives on the state of the pandemic. At minute 26.00 in the video they start talking briefly about football games. It sounds like they believe at this time that (1) vaccine attestations will be required for entry, (2) masks will be handed out at the entry gates; (3) masks will be required indoors within the stadium but not outdoors. I'd assume that like everything else with this pandemic, things can change if conditions change.

https://campusconversations.berkeley.edu/

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Thanks for sharing that. I hope that "attestations" means more than just verbal indication.

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I have been carrying around a photo of my vaccination card on my iPhone for months and months "just in case".
So far I have used it only once. My employer recently requested a copy in its preparation for a "return to the office" next month.

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Exactly same for me.

drizzlybear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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drizzlybear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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In the video chat from earlier today, found on the web page linked below, the Cal campus health officials talk about what campus health precautions will be like this fall when classes start in two weeks, and give their perspectives on the state of the pandemic. At minute 26.00 in the video they start talking briefly about football games. It sounds like they believe at this time that (1) vaccine attestations will be required for entry, (2) masks will be handed out at the entry gates; (3) masks will be required indoors within the stadium but not outdoors. I'd assume that like everything else with this pandemic, things can change if conditions change.

https://campusconversations.berkeley.edu/

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Thanks for sharing that. I hope that "attestations" means more than just verbal indication.

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I have been carrying around a photo of my vaccination card on my iPhone for months and months "just in case".
So far I have used it only once. My employer recently requested a copy in its preparation for a "return to the office" next month.

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Exactly same for me.

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So far vaccinations are recommended but not mandatory But I am positive they will become mandatory as soon as there is FDA formal approval if not sooner (not later than the end of September)

It just takes a few minutes to set up a California digital vaccine record, which generates a QR code. I took a screen shot of mine so I can access it quickly:

https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/


By the way, I am nowhere close to being an expert on how the regulatory agencies responsible for COVID-19 safety precautions operate and interface with each other, but my understanding is that athletic events in California fall under the guidelines for "mega events" defined as more than 10,000 people outdoors or 5,000 people indoors:

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Beyond-Blueprint-Framework.aspx

Thanks for the info, GoCal80

Food for thought..

You or someone you bring or sit with gets pass through variant.....outcome isn't as you had hoped, and the worse occurs.

Now how do you feel?

Cheers!
Go Bears!!
Cal Band Great!!

Bears2thDoc said:

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Food for thought..

You or someone you bring or sit with gets pass through variant.....outcome isn't as you had hoped, and the worse occurs.

Now how do you feel?

Cheers!
Go Bears!!
Cal Band Great!!

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I would feel that I have done my own small part to let Freedom Ring!

Bears2thDoc said:

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Food for thought..

You or someone you bring or sit with gets pass through variant.....outcome isn't as you had hoped, and the worse occurs.

Now how do you feel?

Cheers!
Go Bears!!
Cal Band Great!!

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I would only go with someone vaccinated. What are the odds of outcome "not as I had hoped" (by that, I assume you mean serious illness or even death) for vaccinated? Whatever that risk is (and I understand it to be extremely low), then my answer is the same as I would feel about any other similarly likely risks involved in going to a game (car accident, knife fight with nuns, etc.)

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It just takes a few minutes to set up a California digital vaccine record, which generates a QR code. I took a screen shot of mine so I can access it quickly:

https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/


By the way, I am nowhere close to being an expert on how the regulatory agencies responsible for COVID-19 safety precautions operate and interface with each other, but my understanding is that athletic events in California fall under the guidelines for "mega events" defined as more than 10,000 people outdoors or 5,000 people indoors:

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Beyond-Blueprint-Framework.aspx

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Wow, very quick and painlees. Thanks!

Your question is based on the very dubious assumption that exposure is 100% the result of attending the Cal game. Is it your expectation that outside of Cal Football games at CMS attendees are living full-time in an antiseptic bubble?

You think things are messy now?

Wait until the rho variant gets here, which will cause uncontrollable bleeding from the rectum. What a bonanza.

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Do you have any evidence of that?

There is considerable overlap between the groups that play football and the groups not getting vaccinated.

Last I heard, from a reliable source, vaccinating players across D1 wasn't going particularly well, but that was months ago, before the campus mandates. It should go without saying that players don't have to attend class in person to stay eligible.

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Not sure what "groups" precisely you are talking about but D-1 football players don't have any difficulty accessing medical care or obtaining vaccines.

According to the commissioner, 8 of the 12 Pac football programs are at 80%+ and 4 of those are at 90%+. We will see if that number increases before the first game. I would suspect that Cal is one of the 8 and hopefully one of the 4 but that's just speculation for now.

Unit2Sucks said:

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LunchTime said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Do you have any evidence of that?

There is considerable overlap between the groups that play football and the groups not getting vaccinated.

Last I heard, from a reliable source, vaccinating players across D1 wasn't going particularly well, but that was months ago, before the campus mandates. It should go without saying that players don't have to attend class in person to stay eligible.

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Not sure what "groups" precisely you are talking about but D-1 football players don't have any difficulty accessing medical care or obtaining vaccines.

According to the commissioner, 8 of the 12 Pac football programs are at 80%+ and 4 of those are at 90%+. We will see if that number increases before the first game. I would suspect that Cal is one of the 8 and hopefully one of the 4 but that's just speculation for now.

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I saw somewhere that Cal is indeed above 90% but I can't verify that.

drizzlybear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LunchTime said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Golden One said:

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Oski87 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Once again in all seriousness i would like to begin a discussion about the COVID Pandemic and the impact that it might have on the upcoming season from the perspective of fans and the teams.

I respectfully request that the posters please try to avoid the political flame wars of past threads that easily lead the discussion into the political arena.

From the fans perspective, I wonder whether Cal and possibly the other PAC12 schools will impose any restrictions on the fans in attendance. With the current onslaught of the D-variant, it appears that people and politicians, employers and institutions in many states (even those that previously had been strongly against them) are looking more favorably (or less negatively) towards mask requirements, vaccinations and vaccination requirement than they were just one month ago, Heck, even Alabama (the college football team, not the State) is leading the charge on vaccinations.

Question 1. In this new more vigilant atmosphere is it likely that Cal and/or the PAC-12 might impose additional restrictions on the fans whether that takes the form of proof of vaccinations, vaccination-only sections, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions on refreshments (you know those food and drink stations are just made to be super-spreader locations) same for the long lines for the toilets and porta-potties).

Question 2. In view of the new D-variant spike and the response of the NFL. Is it likely that the PAC12 will adopt a rule similar to that of the NFL? If one team cannot field sufficient players for the game, that team will be deemed to forfeit that game.

Question 3. are there any other aspects of the current spike that might adversely affect the fans or the games?

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There are no restrictions right now on outdoor events - even in the Bay Area - including mask wearing. That is with the renewed wariness about Delta. I think that vaccination changes the game completely. I am not sure what the COVID protocol is for the school - for example, do vaccinated kids have to be tested, do the contact trace vaccinated kids, etc. It would be interesting to see what the PAC 12 medical group comes up with in terms of who is available, what sort of protocols they have and when all that will be played out. But clearly at this point the team is essentially maskless together and there are not a lot of issues. I do not think that there will be any sort of wholesale elimination of entire position groups because one person had a positive COVID test, for example.

My guess is that if the entire team is vaccinated, then there will not be any restrictions on them regardless of any single player getting COVID. And since the University is requiring vaccinations to be in person, then they all will be fine.

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How does one get vaccinated any other way than "in person". Has someone figured out a way to give vaccinations remotely? Via Zoom?

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The university is requiring vaccination for in person instruction, so one can safely assume all players will be vaccinated.

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Do you have any evidence of that?

There is considerable overlap between the groups that play football and the groups not getting vaccinated.

Last I heard, from a reliable source, vaccinating players across D1 wasn't going particularly well, but that was months ago, before the campus mandates. It should go without saying that players don't have to attend class in person to stay eligible.

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Not sure what "groups" precisely you are talking about but D-1 football players don't have any difficulty accessing medical care or obtaining vaccines.

According to the commissioner, 8 of the 12 Pac football programs are at 80%+ and 4 of those are at 90%+. We will see if that number increases before the first game. I would suspect that Cal is one of the 8 and hopefully one of the 4 but that's just speculation for now.

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I saw somewhere that Cal is indeed above 90% but I can't verify that.

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If that's the case, and I hope it is, we are probably talking about a few holdouts, some of whom may be in the process of getting vaccinated now that they are back in Berkeley and have easier access to the vaccine. That's merely speculation on my part but I'm sure in time we will find out.

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It just takes a few minutes to set up a California digital vaccine record, which generates a QR code. I took a screen shot of mine so I can access it quickly:

https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/


By the way, I am nowhere close to being an expert on how the regulatory agencies responsible for COVID-19 safety precautions operate and interface with each other, but my understanding is that athletic events in California fall under the guidelines for "mega events" defined as more than 10,000 people outdoors or 5,000 people indoors:

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Beyond-Blueprint-Framework.aspx

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Thanks for posting. But I am not very comfortable in situations where "self attestation" is accepted in place of "verification" by presentation of a vaccination card or some photo of that card.

After all, self attestation is not sufficient in situations where a person is purchasing alcohol at CMS.

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San Francisco is the most vaccinated city with the most strict mask mandate in the entire country

They are now above the national average for new Covid infections pic.twitter.com/H4Wie267b0

— Jake Shields (@jakeshieldsajj) August 11, 2021

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a. I'm pretty sure all large cities are above the national average in cases right now.

b. I'm a little dubious of that source since SF's mask mandates doesn't appear to be any more strict than anyone else's, and was instituted only last week (compared to LA County, for example, which was reinstated several weeks ago).

c. Most importantly, per the same underlying article, San Francisco has had a relatively low rate of COVID-19 hospital admissions compared with other counties with similar case rates. Compare, for example, the state of Texas (where vaccination is low and masking is scorned) which is in such terrible shape right now that the governor is now asking hospitals not to perform elective procedures and is asking for hospital staffing assistance from other states.

I think Jake Shields is not a strong source for useful covid information.