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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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Where's the Taco Bell? I haven't been back on campus in a while. Also, didn't the city of Berkeley have some sort of regulations or ordinances against these big chain restaurants?

We nearly closed Kips when I was there in l972 - how it's remained open is a mystery, but I'll always visit! Thursday nights there were always wild and the food was never to be eaten sober.

Is just the upstairs open? Still no pizza?

01Bear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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Where's the Taco Bell? I haven't been back on campus in a while. Also, didn't the city of Berkeley have some sort of regulations or ordinances against these big chain restaurants?

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On Durant Ave. Literally next to La Burrita.

Not just any Taco Bell, it's a Taco Bell Cantina! They turned the beautiful Pacifica location into the Cantina model as well. The prospect of having a beer at the Taco Bell in Pacifica was too good to pass up a few months back.

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01Bear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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Where's the Taco Bell? I haven't been back on campus in a while. Also, didn't the city of Berkeley have some sort of regulations or ordinances against these big chain restaurants?

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On Durant Ave. Literally next to La Burrita.

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Whoa!

I just took a virtual of Durant Ave a la Google Maps. Dang! That area has changed!

I was wondering how Taco Bell could be next to La Burrita without taking over Top Dog's spot. Now I see it's in a new building called Southgate(?). At least many of my old standbys are still there, including La Burrita, Top Dog, and IB Hoagie's.

Played pool at Kips downstairs in '72.

Most disgusting men's bathrooms and how many times I used them:

2. Kip's upstairs, late '70s - '80s... 200+

1. Cheshire Cat (n-side), late '70s... 5+ (Thurs nite $0.99 PBR pitchers. Don't remember much, certainly forgot how to count.)

bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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I have a pretty good friend from China who told me his very first meal in the US was Panda Express.

"I am off the plane: I see the names, and I recognize the names. I try; this is NOT Chinese food. Very good, though."

I say (or paraphrase) that to my wife when we pass a Taco Bell or Panda Express now. She might be tired of it, but it makes me laugh every time.

Big C said:

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Most disgusting men's bathrooms and how many times I used them:

2. Kip's upstairs, late '70s - '80s... 200+

1. Cheshire Cat (n-side), late '70s,,, 5+ (Thurs nite $0.99 PBR pitchers. Don't remember much, certainly forgot how to count.)

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Ah yes, the Cheshire Cat. The first place I ever tasted Anchor Steam. For that reason alone it will always be sacred ground for me.

Anyone remember Pizza Haven down the alleyway that connects Durant to Bancroft? They never carded. They served what looked like a pint of beer in a huge soda/water glass. We drank there when we were 17. Did the same at La Val's on North side and The Rat (circa 1971/72). Paying ABC investigators to look the other way?

Big C said:

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Most disgusting men's bathrooms and how many times I used them:

2. Kip's upstairs, late '70s - '80s... 200+

1. Cheshire Cat (n-side), late '70s,,, 5+ (Thurs nite $0.99 PBR pitchers. Don't remember much, certainly forgot how to count.)

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I can attest to the disgusting condition of the Cheshire Cat bathroom. Once guys were whizzing directly into the sink. Funny how well we got to know the bathrooms of places where we drank mass quantities of beer.

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Big C said:

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Most disgusting men's bathrooms and how many times I used them:

2. Kip's upstairs, late '70s - '80s... 200+

1. Cheshire Cat (n-side), late '70s,,, 5+ (Thurs nite $0.99 PBR pitchers. Don't remember much, certainly forgot how to count.)

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Ah yes, the Cheshire Cat. The first place I ever tasted Anchor Steam. For that reason alone it will always be sacred ground for me.

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Anchor! Another one that's been corrupted. Used to be amazing. Now it tastes like Pabst. I do like Pabst, but if I want a 50-cent beer, I'll buy Pabst. I know the ownership changed but man has Anchor sunk to the depths.

Practically lived upstairs in Kips as a kid. Used to see players there now and then. My granddad and dad loved that place. I took my wife there about 10 -12 years ago (after not being there in years) and the service was terrible. Haven't been back since.

LunchTime said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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I have a pretty good friend from China who told me his very first meal in the US was Panda Express.

"I am off the plane: I see the names, and I recognize the names. I try; this is NOT Chinese food. Very good, though."

I say (or paraphrase) that to my wife when we pass a Taco Bell or Panda Express now. She might be tired of it, but it makes me laugh every time.

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From what part of China was he? Has he tried the cuisine from every region and community in China? What exactly makes him an expert on Chinese food? Is he familiar with the evolution of Chinese food?

Frankly, those @ssholes who insist that only "authentic" Chinese food is "real" Chinese food are full of crap. They only know the Chinese food of their era and possibly only of their region. It's unlikely they're familiar with the evolution of Chinese food, let alone that Chinese food has evolved over millennia to take advantage of the locally available ingredients as well as to suit the tastes of the locals.*

In this way, Panda Express and other Americanized Chinese food is very much authentic Chinese. Heck, dim sum has origins in America. Yet, no one suggests dim sum is not authentic Chinese food. There are also tons of popular dishes in Hong Kong that are influenced by the British, yet no one considers those dishes as "not real Chinese food."

To say Americanized Chinese food is not real Chinese food is to eliminate the history and culture of the Chinese-Americans who took locally available ingredients and made them into food that was palatable (and profitable) to local tastes based off traditional Chinese techniques. Ultimately, that is the essence of Chinese food.

*I'd challenge anyone to tell me exactly what Confucius ate or even to make his favorite dish the same way he liked it. The simple fact of the matter is that we simply don't have enough information on either. While Confucius wrote about food and there is even "Confucian cuisine," the latter dates to the Ming dynasty, which is a thousand years after he died.

Keep in mind, Confucius is only 2500 years removed from modern times; the earliest Chinese written records predate him by some 1500-2500 years. Chinese people were cooking and eating food in that time, too. I'm pretty darn certain what's eaten in China now is pretty different from what was eaten back then. Not only are ingredients likely different, but cooking technology and techniques are likely different. Yet, who would dare say that Chinese food from the Shang dynasty is not real Chinese food?

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Anyone remember Pizza Haven down the alleyway that connects Durant to Bancroft? They never carded. They served what looked like a pint of beer in a huge soda/water glass. We drank there when we were 17. Did the same at La Val's on North side and The Rat (circa 1971/72). Paying ABC investigators to look the other way?

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Pizza Haven eventually became Anar Kali's Pizza and Indian Food (same ID policy), which became a victim of the heavy hand of the Alcoholic Beverage Control. I think the ABC burned it down and sowed the earth with salt.

lived in the dorms across from Kip's as a freshman, then rented a place next door as a sophomore. Yeah, the aroma of Kip's pizza used to drift into my room. Ate many a cheezburger downstaris in my attempt at the freshman 15 (or was it 50?). This was early 70s. Remember Pizza Haven, and the other burger place (Giant? we called it Gross Burger, with some admiration) nearby. Good times

OldenBear said:

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lived in the dorms across from Kip's as a freshman, then rented a place next door as a sophomore. Yeah, the aroma of Kip's pizza used to drift into my room. Ate many a cheezburger downstaris in my attempt at the freshman 15 (or was it 50?). This was early 70s. Remember Pizza Haven, and the other burger place (Giant? we called it Gross Burger, with some admiration) nearby. Good times

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One of my classmates at O'Dowd lived in that dorm as a freshman in 1972/73. There was a pay phone right down the street from Kip's. In the early AM he would put shaving cream on the earpiece of the phone and then hang it in place. He and his dorm buddies would then go back to the dorm and look out the window. At closing time at Kip's, as the drunks would walk down Durant past the phone, they would call the pay phone, and eventually a drunk would answer the phone and say, "Hello." My buddy would then say, "Why do you have shaving cream in your ear?" The drunk would scream in rage rubber necking around looking for the culprit. Meanwhile the dormies were giggling like school girls from their top floor perch. Gee, college boys are mean. In the modern era, I think gunfire at dorm windows would be involved.

lol. That's pretty awesome. If you pulled elite pranks like that today you'd be a Tik Tok sensation with endorsement deals for CBD gummies.

bearsandgiants said:

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HearstMining said:

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Big C said:

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Most disgusting men's bathrooms and how many times I used them:

2. Kip's upstairs, late '70s - '80s... 200+

1. Cheshire Cat (n-side), late '70s,,, 5+ (Thurs nite $0.99 PBR pitchers. Don't remember much, certainly forgot how to count.)

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Ah yes, the Cheshire Cat. The first place I ever tasted Anchor Steam. For that reason alone it will always be sacred ground for me.

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Anchor! Another one that's been corrupted. Used to be amazing. Now it tastes like Pabst. I do like Pabst, but if I want a 50-cent beer, I'll buy Pabst. I know the ownership changed but man has Anchor sunk to the depths.

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When I've had Steam, I thought it was still good. The article linked below seems to indicate that the brewing process is unchanged, but I don't know. Anchor is certainly not the same as when Fritz Maytag ran the place. One of the few good people (Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard being two others) who came out of Stanford.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/food/article/The-unanchoring-of-Anchor-Brewing-13959970.php
Anchor Steam and Porter, those are my choices. Firestone Double Barrel Ale, too, when I can find it. And Sierra Nevada Torpedo.

bearister said:

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OldenBear said:

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lived in the dorms across from Kip's as a freshman, then rented a place next door as a sophomore. Yeah, the aroma of Kip's pizza used to drift into my room. Ate many a cheezburger downstaris in my attempt at the freshman 15 (or was it 50?). This was early 70s. Remember Pizza Haven, and the other burger place (Giant? we called it Gross Burger, with some admiration) nearby. Good times

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One of my classmates at O'Dowd lived in that dorm as a freshman in 1972/73. There was a pay phone right down the street from Kip's. In the early AM he would put shaving cream on the earpiece of the phone and then hang it in place. He and his dorm buddies would then go back to the dorm and look out the window. At closing time at Kip's, as the drunks would walk down Durant past the phone, they would call the pay phone, and eventually a drunk would answer the phone and say, "Hello." My buddy would then say, "Why do you have shaving cream in your ear?" The drunk would scream in rage rubber necking around looking for the culprit. Meanwhile the dormies were giggling like school girls from their top floor perch. Gee, college boys are mean. In the modern era, I think gunfire at dorm windows would be involved.

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THAT phone booth was the place where Steve Wozniak (yup, he lived in, or maybe hung out at is a better way to put it, Unit 3) tested his blue box (a device for making long distance calls for free; google it) and called around the world, sending the call from one phone to the other phone in the booth, ringing seconds later. Also apparently called the White House and asked for Kissinger to be woken up. Maybe called the Pope. Could have also called the info operator in Tijuana and asked for the number for 'Juan Valdez' living on 'Avenida del la Revolucion'.

my best non-academic story from Cal

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Played pool at Kips downstairs in '72.

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Whew, you might have seen some of the football team in there (Sam G for one) using various receptacles to relieve beer urine - plastic trash cans. I was not one, but it was pretty crazy some nights!

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bearister said:

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OldenBear said:

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lived in the dorms across from Kip's as a freshman, then rented a place next door as a sophomore. Yeah, the aroma of Kip's pizza used to drift into my room. Ate many a cheezburger downstaris in my attempt at the freshman 15 (or was it 50?). This was early 70s. Remember Pizza Haven, and the other burger place (Giant? we called it Gross Burger, with some admiration) nearby. Good times

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One of my classmates at O'Dowd lived in that dorm as a freshman in 1972/73. There was a pay phone right down the street from Kip's. In the early AM he would put shaving cream on the earpiece of the phone and then hang it in place. He and his dorm buddies would then go back to the dorm and look out the window. At closing time at Kip's, as the drunks would walk down Durant past the phone, they would call the pay phone, and eventually a drunk would answer the phone and say, "Hello." My buddy would then say, "Why do you have shaving cream in your ear?" The drunk would scream in rage rubber necking around looking for the culprit. Meanwhile the dormies were giggling like school girls from their top floor perch. Gee, college boys are mean. In the modern era, I think gunfire at dorm windows would be involved.

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THAT phone booth was the place where Steve Wozniak (yup, he lived in, or maybe hung out at is a better way to put it, Unit 3) tested his blue box (a device for making long distance calls for free; google it) and called around the world, sending the call from one phone to the other phone in the booth, ringing seconds later. Also apparently called the White House and asked for Kissinger to be woken up. Maybe called the Pope. Could have also called the info operator in Tijuana and asked for the number for 'Juan Valdez' living on 'Avenida del la Revolucion'.

my best non-academic story from Cal

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Since we're sitting here twiddling our thumbs at 0-2, hit us up with one of your best ACADEMIC stories from Cal. I love this stuff.


My best phone booth story from my Cal days (okay, the best I'm going to be able to do here is maybe the bronze medal, but still... ):

Phone booth on north side, I think it was outside Seven Palms market: Guy we lived with was from out of state. His family and friends from back home would call him collect at that phone booth at a pre-determined time, so he would graciously be there to accept the charges. At some point -- but not before over a hundred hours of free long distance calling -- the phone company was able to put a stop to that, so...

... his next move was to, from that same phone booth, call the operator and claim he lost money that he put in. The phone company would agree to send him a check for the amount. Through trial and error, he found out the maximum amount they would refund was something like $2.00. Within less than a month, the savvy phone company had figured out that they had sent him several dozen low-value checks. They put the kibosh on that one, so...

... right at the end of Fall Quarter (and right in time for holiday shopping) a WHOLE BUNCH of us each got 2-3 checks in the mail from the phone company, all ranging between $1.00 - $2.00. Merry Christmas!

Big C said:

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I think it was outside Seven Palms market..

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aka seven thieves, half a block down the hill from the green hands student co-op. anybody else there in the early 70s?
signed, incompetent kitchen (co)manager for a few months

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Big C said:

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I think it was outside Seven Palms market..

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aka seven thieves, half a block down the hill from the green hands student co-op. anybody else there in the early 70s?
signed, incompetent kitchen (co)manager for a few months

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I probably missed you by a couple of years. I lived at Stebbins my senior year, autumn 1975 - Spring 1976. I enjoyed my time there.

We were in the same class. Crap, we're old. My graduation was in Zellerbach (Letters & Science/History). As we were walking into the auditorium, there were a ton on long hairs beating on drums in Lower Sproul Plaza. My uncle Jim from Reno's reaction: "That's Berkeley for you."

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LunchTime said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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I have a pretty good friend from China who told me his very first meal in the US was Panda Express.

"I am off the plane: I see the names, and I recognize the names. I try; this is NOT Chinese food. Very good, though."

I say (or paraphrase) that to my wife when we pass a Taco Bell or Panda Express now. She might be tired of it, but it makes me laugh every time.

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From what part of China was he? Has he tried the cuisine from every region and community in China? What exactly makes him an expert on Chinese food? Is he familiar with the evolution of Chinese food?

Frankly, those @ssholes who insist that only "authentic" Chinese food is "real" Chinese food are full of crap. They only know the Chinese food of their era and possibly only of their region. It's unlikely they're familiar with the evolution of Chinese food, let alone that Chinese food has evolved over millennia to take advantage of the locally available ingredients as well as to suit the tastes of the locals.*

In this way, Panda Express and other Americanized Chinese food is very much authentic Chinese. Heck, dim sum has origins in America. Yet, no one suggests dim sum is not authentic Chinese food. There are also tons of popular dishes in Hong Kong that are influenced by the British, yet no one considers those dishes as "not real Chinese food."

To say Americanized Chinese food is not real Chinese food is to eliminate the history and culture of the Chinese-Americans who took locally available ingredients and made them into food that was palatable (and profitable) to local tastes based off traditional Chinese techniques. Ultimately, that is the essence of Chinese food.

*I'd challenge anyone to tell me exactly what Confucius ate or even to make his favorite dish the same way he liked it. The simple fact of the matter is that we simply don't have enough information on either. While Confucius wrote about food and there is even "Confucian cuisine," the latter dates to the Ming dynasty, which is a thousand years after he died.

Keep in mind, Confucius is only 2500 years removed from modern times; the earliest Chinese written records predate him by some 1500-2500 years. Chinese people were cooking and eating food in that time, too. I'm pretty darn certain what's eaten in China now is pretty different from what was eaten back then. Not only are ingredients likely different, but cooking technology and techniques are likely different. Yet, who would dare say that Chinese food from the Shang dynasty is not real Chinese food?

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Do you have a mental disability or something? Holy **** what a dumbassed rant.

bearister said:

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Anyone remember Pizza Haven down the alleyway that connects Durant to Bancroft? They never carded. They served what looked like a pint of beer in a huge soda/water glass. We drank there when we were 17. Did the same at La Val's on North side and The Rat (circa 1971/72). Paying ABC investigators to look the other way?

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Pizza Haven. pizza wasn't very good. But it was very convenient being across the street from campus. The best pizza in Berkeley if you were too hungry or didn't have the time to walk another block.

For some reason I remember it being not in the alley that connected Bancroft and Durant, but one or two buildings further down. Closer to where " Sandwiches-a-go-go" was located on Bancroft.

But it was a long long time ago in a galaxy far away.

My dad got locked inside the Pizza Haven one Sat night after a game. We waited outside for hours waiting for the owner to show up. He was pretty sloshed when he was finally freed. I can only imagine how many beers he drank while waiting.

LunchTime said:

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01Bear said:

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LunchTime said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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It was open for the Nevada game. Totally dead. Kind of sad. My favorite part of revisiting the campus was seeing a Taco Bell literally next door to la burrita. Sacrilege

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I have a pretty good friend from China who told me his very first meal in the US was Panda Express.

"I am off the plane: I see the names, and I recognize the names. I try; this is NOT Chinese food. Very good, though."

I say (or paraphrase) that to my wife when we pass a Taco Bell or Panda Express now. She might be tired of it, but it makes me laugh every time.

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From what part of China was he? Has he tried the cuisine from every region and community in China? What exactly makes him an expert on Chinese food? Is he familiar with the evolution of Chinese food?

Frankly, those @ssholes who insist that only "authentic" Chinese food is "real" Chinese food are full of crap. They only know the Chinese food of their era and possibly only of their region. It's unlikely they're familiar with the evolution of Chinese food, let alone that Chinese food has evolved over millennia to take advantage of the locally available ingredients as well as to suit the tastes of the locals.*

In this way, Panda Express and other Americanized Chinese food is very much authentic Chinese. Heck, dim sum has origins in America. Yet, no one suggests dim sum is not authentic Chinese food. There are also tons of popular dishes in Hong Kong that are influenced by the British, yet no one considers those dishes as "not real Chinese food."

To say Americanized Chinese food is not real Chinese food is to eliminate the history and culture of the Chinese-Americans who took locally available ingredients and made them into food that was palatable (and profitable) to local tastes based off traditional Chinese techniques. Ultimately, that is the essence of Chinese food.

*I'd challenge anyone to tell me exactly what Confucius ate or even to make his favorite dish the same way he liked it. The simple fact of the matter is that we simply don't have enough information on either. While Confucius wrote about food and there is even "Confucian cuisine," the latter dates to the Ming dynasty, which is a thousand years after he died.

Keep in mind, Confucius is only 2500 years removed from modern times; the earliest Chinese written records predate him by some 1500-2500 years. Chinese people were cooking and eating food in that time, too. I'm pretty darn certain what's eaten in China now is pretty different from what was eaten back then. Not only are ingredients likely different, but cooking technology and techniques are likely different. Yet, who would dare say that Chinese food from the Shang dynasty is not real Chinese food?

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Do you have a mental disability or something? Holy **** what a dumbassed rant.

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It's only a dumbassed rant for mental midgets who don't understand that Chinese food is not any one thing. It's only a dumbassed rant for someone with preconceived notions of what Chinese food is. It's only a dumbassed rant for someone who isn't Chinese/Chinese-American and hasn't had to deal with food prejudice* in his life. It's only a dumbassed rant for someone who doesn't understand the link between food and history, let alone that between food and culture.

You can go on being ignorant, or you can learn. It's up to you.

*Ask any Asian-American who grew up in t he US about whether s/he was ever mocked for bringing "weird" or "stinky" food to school. Or about how that same "weird" or "stinky" food has become popular after white gatekeepers "discovered" it. Or how it feels to have these same white gatekeepers tell them they've been eating their food wrong their entire lives.

But I get it, you're not Asian-American. You don't understand how food is tied in to much of how we interact with and identify with our cultures.

"It's my life, my day off, and my platter of orange chicken"

Back in the day (mid 70's), Kips was known for cold food and warm beer. Has it changed?

LOL @ 01Bear, who is constantly thinking he's dropping some insightful woke knowledge on us simpletons. Now he's Anthony Bourdain's long lost half brother. Meanwhile, he's as uninteresting and as transparent as a pane of glass.

This is a Cal board, dude, we get it. You might be able to find some simpletons on the WSU board to enlighten... You also seem to be REALLY angry. You might want to try some therapy.