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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal89 said:

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Dying with COVID, dying from COVID, produces markedly different numbers...

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Please share your work with the class. Would love to see the analysis behind the "markedly different numbers."

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I'm an EU citizen also, and I forgot what I read most recently, maybe it was Italy (Italian), but the numbers dropped, I seem to recall as much as 95% between the two. I'll see if I can find the article, and if in Italian, translate it.

The providing of financial incentives in the States for hospitals to report more COVID cases/deaths is a factor, and the CDC admitted such drove up the numbers. There are accounts of people who died with gunshot wounds, car accidents, and who happened to be positive for the virus, were flagged as COVID.

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These are all debunked conspiracy theories. I suppose the conspiracy theories made it across the pond but the truth did not.

In the US we code multiple conditions all the time on death certificates. The vast majority of COVID deaths also list conditions like respiratory failure, ARDS, cardiac arrest and sepsis. Those conditions were caused by COVID. There may be a few gunshot wounds or car accidents or whatever that got coded COVID as well, but there is no reason to believe that those deaths number higher than the COVID deaths which were never coded properly for other reasons.

I finally watched a bit of the video. He seemed off - like he was drugged out of his mind.

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I finally watched a bit of the video. He seemed off - like he was drugged out of his mind.

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https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/05/9-truths-from-aaron-rodgers-explosive-vaxx-interview-you-arent-allowed-to-say/

GMP said:

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I finally watched a bit of the video. He seemed off - like he was drugged out of his mind.

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Weed is nature's IQ booster.

…then Danica Patrick and Olivia Munn looked at each other and said, “Whew!”

— MDV (@MDVimprov) November 6, 2021

calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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I personally know 10 people, friends and family members, that have died in the last year and a half most in their 50s. This includes friends from Cal, Including Cal football players from the 80s. My 22 year old nephew is now an orphan. His father, my brother-in-law, played basketball for Stanford in the 80s. He was found dead in his room in January.

We have the ability to end this, and end it quickly, as Japan is now doing, but it requires us working together, being the United States and not the divided states. What we do affects others, it is not simply an individual choice. It would be nice if it was, but it is not.

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No, we don't have the ability to end it, that's the point. This is endemic.

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Taiwan pretty much has. Japan is about to. New Zealand is doing well. Canada would be better off it it didn't share a long border with the most infected country on Earth.

The US has a very large group of people, many very powerful politically, who have worked, and continue to work against simple protocols that have worked elsewhere and have worked in the US in the past.

The stated, but mistaken belief that nothing can be done is just an excuse to do nothing and let millions of people die horrible deaths unnecessarily.

Vaccines work, not 100% individually, but 100% collectively over time. And it can be a short time, as Japan is now demonstrating.

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Unlike Taiwan, Japan, [name your country], the US federal government has never mandated a vaccine for every citizen/resident (and may not have the legal authority to do so, altho the OSHA work-around is brilliant). OTOH, the states do have the power to mandate vaccines to every citizen, but so far no states have done so, even the bluest of the blue.

As an aside, the feds probably could mandate masks nationally (similar to other countries), but the feds do not have the manpower to enforce such a mandate, so it would be rather toothless.

It's that laboratory of democracy-thingy, i.e., a democratic republic (small d and small r).

As the Packers prepare for Jordan Love's first career start, Friday's decision by Aaron Rodgers to go on an hour-long public rant created a distraction that his team didn't need. https://t.co/iRuxmvwopn

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) November 6, 2021

okaydo said:

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Literally they are laughing at him but trying not to actually burst out laughing. https://t.co/bJCTxdrJX0

— Soledad O'Brien (@soledadobrien) November 5, 2021

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OK, that must be true because she said so.

This is now how we all determine facts. *******s like her and all of us here posting unsubstantiated opinions as facts and other *******s reposting as if some *******'s opinion matters. No wonder actual facts and science are so politicized and carry so little weight, and we end up in a situation where a gift as powerful as a vaccine is resisted. No need to look beyond this thread. Bunch of emotional folks who are playing experts and actually ignoring science saying vaccines will stop spread of COVID-19. I will ask them to trust science. Vaccine won't stop the spread. It will end the impact of COVID and actually make it like a flu for those vaccinated even if they can still get it and spread it (and no, COVID is not just a flu for most who are not vaccinated and don't have natural immunity). And science show that those who have natural immunity have greater protection than those who were just vaccinated while those who have both natural immunity and vaccine have the greatest protection. Strong argument for vaccines based on actual science without needing to use some *******'s ignorant opinion or made-up shaming on false facts and "Twitter facts" that destroys credibility.

Journalists are even worse and are a big reason why we have such irrational behavior. Journalism for the most part is dead because journalists are just *******s who are so eager to pass opinions as fact without actually checking facts and then whining they are not respected. Their irrelevance is well deserved and earned.

I strongly disagree with Rodgers on some of what he said, but he also made many valid points about the media, misinformation on both sides on vaccines, and public shaming. Even if he has some bad facts, he actually comes across as more intelligent than those panning him with even worse facts.

okaydo said:

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As the Packers prepare for Jordan Love's first career start, Friday's decision by Aaron Rodgers to go on an hour-long public rant created a distraction that his team didn't need. https://t.co/iRuxmvwopn

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) November 6, 2021

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Mike Florio is a huge Vikings fan and shiets on Rodgers every chance he gets

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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I personally know 10 people, friends and family members, that have died in the last year and a half most in their 50s. This includes friends from Cal, Including Cal football players from the 80s. My 22 year old nephew is now an orphan. His father, my brother-in-law, played basketball for Stanford in the 80s. He was found dead in his room in January.

We have the ability to end this, and end it quickly, as Japan is now doing, but it requires us working together, being the United States and not the divided states. What we do affects others, it is not simply an individual choice. It would be nice if it was, but it is not.

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No, we don't have the ability to end it, that's the point. This is endemic.

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Taiwan pretty much has. Japan is about to. New Zealand is doing well. Canada would be better off it it didn't share a long border with the most infected country on Earth.

The US has a very large group of people, many very powerful politically, who have worked, and continue to work against simple protocols that have worked elsewhere and have worked in the US in the past.

The stated, but mistaken belief that nothing can be done is just an excuse to do nothing and let millions of people die horrible deaths unnecessarily.

Vaccines work, not 100% individually, but 100% collectively over time. And it can be a short time, as Japan is now demonstrating.

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Unlike Taiwan, Japan, [name your country], the US federal government has never mandated a vaccine for every citizen/resident (and may not have the legal authority to do so, altho the OSHA work-around is brilliant). OTOH, the states do have the power to mandate vaccines to every citizen, but so far no states have done so, even the bluest of the blue.

As an aside, the feds probably could mandate masks nationally (similar to other countries), but the feds do not have the manpower to enforce such a mandate, so it would be rather toothless.

It's that laboratory of democracy-thingy, i.e., a democratic republic (small d and small r).

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Japan is a democracy, the prime minister has little power under the constitution (as per US demands after WWII) and has not mandated mask wearing, lock downs or vaccines. People just do it because it works, it is the right thing to do and they don't want to die or kill others. They do it for the good of everyone.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,'" Get vaccinated and wear a mask in public places.

calumnus said:

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Big Dog said:

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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I personally know 10 people, friends and family members, that have died in the last year and a half most in their 50s. This includes friends from Cal, Including Cal football players from the 80s. My 22 year old nephew is now an orphan. His father, my brother-in-law, played basketball for Stanford in the 80s. He was found dead in his room in January.

We have the ability to end this, and end it quickly, as Japan is now doing, but it requires us working together, being the United States and not the divided states. What we do affects others, it is not simply an individual choice. It would be nice if it was, but it is not.

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No, we don't have the ability to end it, that's the point. This is endemic.

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Taiwan pretty much has. Japan is about to. New Zealand is doing well. Canada would be better off it it didn't share a long border with the most infected country on Earth.

The US has a very large group of people, many very powerful politically, who have worked, and continue to work against simple protocols that have worked elsewhere and have worked in the US in the past.

The stated, but mistaken belief that nothing can be done is just an excuse to do nothing and let millions of people die horrible deaths unnecessarily.

Vaccines work, not 100% individually, but 100% collectively over time. And it can be a short time, as Japan is now demonstrating.

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Unlike Taiwan, Japan, [name your country], the US federal government has never mandated a vaccine for every citizen/resident (and may not have the legal authority to do so, altho the OSHA work-around is brilliant). OTOH, the states do have the power to mandate vaccines to every citizen, but so far no states have done so, even the bluest of the blue.

As an aside, the feds probably could mandate masks nationally (similar to other countries), but the feds do not have the manpower to enforce such a mandate, so it would be rather toothless.

It's that laboratory of democracy-thingy, i.e., a democratic republic (small d and small r).

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Japan is a democracy, the prime minister has little power under the constitution (as per US demands after WWII) and has not mandated mask wearing, lock downs or vaccines. People just do it because it works, it is the right thing to do and they don't want to die or kill others. They do it for the good of everyone.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,'" Get vaccinated and wear a mask in public places.

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No they wear masks because China has polluted the air around the entire region. That's why they are so use to wearing them.

MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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Big Dog said:

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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I personally know 10 people, friends and family members, that have died in the last year and a half most in their 50s. This includes friends from Cal, Including Cal football players from the 80s. My 22 year old nephew is now an orphan. His father, my brother-in-law, played basketball for Stanford in the 80s. He was found dead in his room in January.

We have the ability to end this, and end it quickly, as Japan is now doing, but it requires us working together, being the United States and not the divided states. What we do affects others, it is not simply an individual choice. It would be nice if it was, but it is not.

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No, we don't have the ability to end it, that's the point. This is endemic.

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Taiwan pretty much has. Japan is about to. New Zealand is doing well. Canada would be better off it it didn't share a long border with the most infected country on Earth.

The US has a very large group of people, many very powerful politically, who have worked, and continue to work against simple protocols that have worked elsewhere and have worked in the US in the past.

The stated, but mistaken belief that nothing can be done is just an excuse to do nothing and let millions of people die horrible deaths unnecessarily.

Vaccines work, not 100% individually, but 100% collectively over time. And it can be a short time, as Japan is now demonstrating.

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Unlike Taiwan, Japan, [name your country], the US federal government has never mandated a vaccine for every citizen/resident (and may not have the legal authority to do so, altho the OSHA work-around is brilliant). OTOH, the states do have the power to mandate vaccines to every citizen, but so far no states have done so, even the bluest of the blue.

As an aside, the feds probably could mandate masks nationally (similar to other countries), but the feds do not have the manpower to enforce such a mandate, so it would be rather toothless.

It's that laboratory of democracy-thingy, i.e., a democratic republic (small d and small r).

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Japan is a democracy, the prime minister has little power under the constitution (as per US demands after WWII) and has not mandated mask wearing, lock downs or vaccines. People just do it because it works, it is the right thing to do and they don't want to die or kill others. They do it for the good of everyone.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,'" Get vaccinated and wear a mask in public places.

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No they wear masks because China has polluted the air around the entire region. That's why they are so use to wearing them.

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That is mostly true. But it is not pollution. It is yellow dust, which is sand from China and Mongolia, and has nothing to do with pollution. It is horrifying and hurts the lungs from any extended exposure.

However, Asian culture also promotes less individuality and more authoritarian and conservative rule of law since the culture generally promotes collective over self, with strong honor and respect for elders. As such, easier to get everyone to do what government dictates.

I happen to agree that people should get vaccinated for the good of the collective. Not because unvaccinated are killing others. You have to trust science. No, it is more because unvaccinated folks are eating up too much of our resources by needing to be hospitalized in greater percentage, impacting recovery time and ability to contribute to society and work force and ability to meet demand with greater supply. Folks who promote inaccurate statements like unvaccinated are killing folks is as trusting of science as those who say vaccine causes elephantiasis in testicles.

AuBear81 said:

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…then Danica Patrick and Olivia Munn looked at each other and said, “Whew!”

— MDV (@MDVimprov) November 6, 2021

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Right, because Olivia Munn may have had an affair and a baby with a married person who was recovering from a drug addiction but she draws the line at dating someone unvaccinated. Of course, let's ignore that he is engaged to someone now who is extremely far left and is a strong believer in alternative medicine.