sycasey said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Wilber said the game was "off" not canceled. And the game Saturday is indeed off the board.

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So Wilner was technically "correct" but still misleading.

Giving Wilner the benefit of the doubt, I would conclude that he was "just careless" in his effort to be among the first to break the story.

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I would argue that he was not misleading based on the available information at the time. When new information emerged about the game being rescheduled he reported that as well.

I'm not a Wilner fan, but this isn't really a thing to get on him for IMO.

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Agree.

Based on Pac/COB rules, Cal did not have enough players to field a team and would have to forfeit this week's game. (Forfeiture would have given USC the W.) So, cancellation was in process per pac rule. Meanwhile, Knowlton reaches out to USC to see if they would be interested in rescheduling to actually earn a W. They agreed, and therefore the game went from mandatory cancellation/forfeit to postpone/reschedule.

For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

pingpong2 said:

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sycasey said:

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sosheezy said:

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sycasey said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Wilmer fell for the "blame the COB" NONSENSE, and passed it on as fact.

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Yeah, if you want to get on him for something, get on him for that. He still hasn't provided any detail for that claim.

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He is doubling down on that tact.

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He seems to be claiming there is more that Cal isn't saying here. Okay, maybe, but what is it?

Wilcox and Knowlton have been careful not to roast COB despite obvious frustrations, but COB went after the program last night.

It's a bad scene in Berkeley. If Wilcox has a decent offer, why in the world would he stick around? https://t.co/DvPYV9r0iu

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) November 10, 2021

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Either that or he's stirring the pot.

Regardless, he has a vested interest in staying in the good graces of the AD and Wilcox. The side he chooses to back is the least surprising part of this. He knows who butters his bread, after all.

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And if Wilcox is potentially looking at another job within the conference then it would be in his vested interest to be feeding Wilner these stories, to make himself look better.

Anyway, at this point I think I'll stop linking to any Wilner tweets on this subject until he provides more substance.

Big Dog said:

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sycasey said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Wilber said the game was "off" not canceled. And the game Saturday is indeed off the board.

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So Wilner was technically "correct" but still misleading.

Giving Wilner the benefit of the doubt, I would conclude that he was "just careless" in his effort to be among the first to break the story.

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I would argue that he was not misleading based on the available information at the time. When new information emerged about the game being rescheduled he reported that as well.

I'm not a Wilner fan, but this isn't really a thing to get on him for IMO.

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Agree.

Based on Pac/COB rules, Cal did not have enough players to field a team and would have to forfeit this week's game. (Forfeiture would have given USC the W.) So, cancellation was in process per pac rule. Meanwhile, Knowlton reaches out to USC to see if they would be interested in rescheduling to actually earn a W. They agreed, and therefore the game went from mandatory cancellation/forfeit to postpone/reschedule.

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At the beginning of the season I read that, unlike last year, if the school that was experiencing the Covid outbreak had vaccinated a very high percentage of its players, coaches and staff (upwards of 90% or 95%) that school would not be punished with a forfeiture but would have its game postponed to the next mutually available date.

That is why I was not as worried about the USC game being cancelled. I thought Of course the game would be rescheduled if at all possible.

So what is the real story. The story I read came out during the period that the PAC-12 (CFB?) was taking efforts to get all teams all coaches and all staff immunized (correction) vaccinated.

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Playing usc is not a bowl game. It signifies no accomplishment, is not played during the bowl season and it is in Memorial stadium. Im done with football this year. Will not buy big game aka big disaster tickets. No friends want to go given all the uncertainties.

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If you are not going to use your tix to the USC game and/or the Big Game send them to me. I have two young grandkids I would like to bring with me to those games.

DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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So you're anti-vax.

DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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Should be clear on this: that's efficacy against COVID infection. Against severe symptoms and death it remains high.

Which, if you assume the team mostly got JnJ, would explain the result we seem to have: lots of infections without symptoms.

Why weren't #GoBears forced to forfeit, per #Pac12 policy? Because there's more to the policy. Also, because #USC took the high road.https://t.co/8N88uenm1X

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) November 10, 2021

USC could have rejected Cal's offer to reschedule. If USC splits against BYU and UCLA, they would need to defeat Cal to become bowl eligible.

DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

TandemBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

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At the time it was a fine choice, but based on the data we have today, we know that it is inferior, to the point where the CDC accelerated and prioritized approval for boosters specifically for people who received the J&J shot. However, I suspect our players have not gotten the booster yet, so it doesn't matter that the boosters are available.

pingpong2 said:

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TandemBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

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At the time it was a fine choice, but based on the data we have today, we know that it is inferior, to the point where the CDC accelerated and prioritized approval for boosters specifically for people who received the J&J shot. However, I suspect our players have not gotten the booster yet, so it doesn't matter that the boosters are available.

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I wonder-does a recent booster shot read as a positive if you are tested a few days later?

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pingpong2 said:

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TandemBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

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At the time it was a fine choice, but based on the data we have today, we know that it is inferior, to the point where the CDC accelerated and prioritized approval for boosters specifically for people who received the J&J shot. However, I suspect our players have not gotten the booster yet, so it doesn't matter that the boosters are available.

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I wonder-does a recent booster shot read as a positive if you are tested a few days later?

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I don't think so since the vaccine does not have the actual virus.

sycasey said:

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pingpong2 said:

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sycasey said:

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sosheezy said:

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sycasey said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Wilmer fell for the "blame the COB" NONSENSE, and passed it on as fact.

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Yeah, if you want to get on him for something, get on him for that. He still hasn't provided any detail for that claim.

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He is doubling down on that tact.

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He seems to be claiming there is more that Cal isn't saying here. Okay, maybe, but what is it?

Wilcox and Knowlton have been careful not to roast COB despite obvious frustrations, but COB went after the program last night.

It's a bad scene in Berkeley. If Wilcox has a decent offer, why in the world would he stick around? https://t.co/DvPYV9r0iu

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) November 10, 2021

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Either that or he's stirring the pot.

Regardless, he has a vested interest in staying in the good graces of the AD and Wilcox. The side he chooses to back is the least surprising part of this. He knows who butters his bread, after all.

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And if Wilcox is potentially looking at another job within the conference then it would be in his vested interest to be feeding Wilner these stories, to make himself look better.

Anyway, at this point I think I'll stop linking to any Wilner tweets on this subject until he provides more substance.

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Smart move. The guy is from the Howard Cosell School of Journalism - make a ton of ridiculous predictions and when you inevitably hit one, never let anyone forget it by reminding people at every opportunity. Cosell called Clay (as he was then known) over Liston in their first fight and made a career from that one call….

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The tweet:

Cal-USC game is off.Bears can’t play. First FBS game off this season bc Covid issues https://t.co/pzE43Fnknk

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) November 9, 2021

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For the finger-waggers who blame this on coaches not locking down hard enough, the lock-downiest school in the lock-downiest city in the lock-downiest state is the ONE program to have to cancel a game due to COVID.

Not a Florida school.
Not a Texas school
Not Tennessee school.
Not a Mississippi, Louisiana or Alabama school.
Not even an Arizona school.
Cal.

No it's not a coincidence.
And if you were okay with Wilcox's coaching up to now, blaming the coaching is pretty disingenuous.
Heck, if you don't like the job Wilcox is doing, using this as an example of "bad coaching" is disingenuous.

*maybe* the fact this happened *here* is actually not "ironic" or a "coincidence." Maybe the very policies that are designed to "protect health," but don't work, actually set this situation up in a way that wouldn't be possible in places like FL, TX, etc.

*maybe* just maybe, the evidence is right and the policies really do have mostly negative consequences. Maybe Berkeley et al are just… getting it wrong.

TandemBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

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Please tell me that you did not go to CAL.
Youre reading comprehension is terribly poor.

Sadly, your logic fails at literally every level as it applies to the embarrassing debacle that CAL FOOTBALL just experienced this week.

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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So you're anti-vax.

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You're reading comprehension is terribly poor.

I'm out and get Knowlton out. What are we doing here? Just horrible for these athletes.

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Per Wilner. What a fiasco.

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Need to change the title of thread. Game now to be played December 4

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Please you posters on the verge of a breakdown, just take a deep breath and calm down.

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Well said. This forum is a black hole of negativity right now. It has been a difficult season, without question, but step back from the ledge.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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calbearsfan said:

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GMP said:

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Per Wilner. What a fiasco.

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Need to change the title of thread. Game now to be played December 4

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Please you posters on the verge of a breakdown, just take a deep breath and calm down.

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Well said. This forum is a black hole of negativity right now. It has been a difficult season, without question, but step back from the ledge.

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I took a step back from the ledge. And from this position, it still looks like crap.

DiabloWags said:

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TandemBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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This is baloney. When the J&J vaccine became available, it was a fine choice. The information at the time showed only a little lower efficacy. And vaccine shortages meant getting the J&J was way better than hoping and waiting for the other two. It offered the benefit of reaching full efficacy in 2 weeks, instead of 3-5 after the other two options' boosters. I received J&J and have been healthy ever since.

And now that boosters are readily available, there will be no one getting "bitten in the ass." The players should simply receive either the Moderna or Pfizer booster and Bob's your uncle! I got Moderna two weeks ago, so I'm rockin' the immunity! Licking door knobs & chewing used gum off the sidewalk! Ain't modern virology awesome!

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Please tell me that you did not go to CAL.
Youre reading comprehension is terribly poor.

Sadly, your logic fails at literally every level as it applies to the embarrassing debacle that CAL FOOTBALL just experienced this week.

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Oh give me a break! Nowhere in your post do you say they received J&J and are now experiencing a wave of infection. And nowhere in this thread up until your post was it said that the players who tested positive and/or came down with Covid-19 were J&J vaccine recipients.

I think you skipped several logical steps and jumped to some questionable conclusions. That's a fail on your part and clearly shows you have an axe to grind (pun not necessarily intended).

The point is this, WHEN J&J was available, it was a perfectly reasonable vaccine choice. Criticizing that decision by saying "it'll come back and bite them in the ass" is 20/20 hindsight and a LAUGHABLE statement on your part. And boosters have been available for months now. I'm sure the AD could have arranged boosters for, what you you imply, is the "seriously deficient J&J vaccine!" It would have been prudent for the AD to have all players receive booster shots, given their close-contact sport and training. Sure, one may argue the ethics of entitled American full-ride scholarships getting another benefit while the third world awaits their first shot, but that's not at issue here. They should have given all players boosters by now, regardless of what vaccine they received already.


I'm not sure you attended Cal. And if you did, surely didn't graduate.

Wanna see my diploma, smart ass?

DiabloWags said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For me, the big question is what VACCINE was used to immunize the players.
If they used the one-shot JNJ vaccine for its ease of use, then that wound up biting them in the Ass.

The JNJ vaccine efficacy after 6 months collapses from 86% to only 13%.

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So you're anti-vax.

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You're reading comprehension is terribly poor.

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Instead of stooping to your level, I'll just say this:

FIFY:
"Your reading comprehension is terribly poor."

Hilarious!