Cal's season didn't live up to expectations, and another round of C-19/lack of institutional support fun. Sonny certainly is in a position to discuss the institutional support issues.

As I said on the other board, Wilcox is dealing with these issues here and now, that hopefully go away in time. But last time I looked this class was in 8th place and around 60th in the nation and sliding. Hopefully Wilcox does a good job swimming in the Portal and in future classes.

concernedparent said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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Also, why would he play for a Sonny Dykes defense?

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Who knows. He's making a huge mistake, which he'll figure out in hindsight. He's signing on with a head coach who totally ignores defense, with a first-time P5 DC who's only had a few years experience even at the G5 level. Since arriving at Cal Sonny has never fielded a defense that averaged under 400 yards per game, and has only managed to average giving up under 30 points per game once.

Since becoming a first-time head coach at Cal Wilcox has only fielded a defense that averaged giving up over 400 ypg once, in his first year in the post-Dykes renovation project. He has never fielded a defense that allowed an average of 30 ppg, even in that first year. Put another way, Sonny best defensive points allowed year is equal to Wilcox' worst. Particularly as a defensive player this is a not even a close comparison.

Dykes

Cal
2013 12th 529.6 ypg 45.9 ppg
2014 12th 511.8 ypg 39.8 ppg
2015 9th 455.3 ypg 30.3 ppg
2016 10th 518.3 ypg 42.6 ppg

2017 not coaching

SMU
2018 8th 430.1 ypg 35.3 ppg
2019 9th 438.7 ypg 31.8 ppg
2020 6th 422.2 ypg 30.9 ppg
2021 8th 415.6 ypg 28.4 ppg

Wilcox / Cal
2017 7th 429.9 ypg 28.4 ppg
2018 3rd 319.4 ypg 21.3 ppg
2019 4th 385.5 ypg 22.1 ppg
2020 3rd 367.0 ypg 26.5 ppg
2021 4th 366.7 ypg 22.3 ppg

(year, total d conf rank, avg. total ypg, avg. ppg)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense/season/2021/group/9/table/passing/sort/yardsPerGame/dir/asc

WalterSobchak said:

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concernedparent said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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Also, why would he play for a Sonny Dykes defense?

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Who knows. He's making a huge mistake, which he'll figure out in hindsight. He's signing on with a head coach who totally ignores defense, with a first-time P5 DC who's only had a few years experience even at the G5 level. Since arriving at Cal Sonny has never fielded a defense that averaged under 400 yards per game, and has only managed to average giving up under 30 points per game once.

Since becoming a first-time head coach at Cal Wilcox has only fielded a defense that averaged giving up over 400 ypg once, in his first year in the post-Dykes renovation project. He has never fielded a defense that allowed an average of 30 ppg, even in that first year. Put another way, Sonny best defensive points allowed year is equal to Wilcox' worst. Particularly as a defensive player this is a not even a close comparison.

Dykes

Cal
2013 12th 529.6 ypg 45.9 ppg
2014 12th 511.8 ypg 39.8 ppg
2015 9th 455.3 ypg 30.3 ppg
2016 10th 518.3 ypg 42.6 ppg

2017 not coaching

SMU
2018 8th 430.1 ypg 35.3 ppg
2019 9th 438.7 ypg 31.8 ppg
2020 6th 422.2 ypg 30.9 ppg
2021 8th 415.6 ypg 28.4 ppg

Wilcox / Cal
2017 7th 429.9 ypg 28.4 ppg
2018 3rd 319.4 ypg 21.3 ppg
2019 4th 385.5 ypg 22.1 ppg
2020 3rd 367.0 ypg 26.5 ppg
2021 4th 366.7 ypg 22.3 ppg

(year, total d conf rank, avg. total ypg, avg. ppg)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense/season/2021/group/9/table/passing/sort/yardsPerGame/dir/asc

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Points and yards per game aren't that great a metric. If Sonny coaches up tempo, pass first offense his defense is going to be on the field a lot. It may be good but his ppg and ypg numbers will look bad. The converse is certainly true if Wilcox coaches a run first, ball control offense. Maybe yards per play or points per play. Even then, a defense that is on the field longer will suffer. Bottom line, as always, is wins...and wins against good teams.

82gradDLSdad said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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concernedparent said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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Also, why would he play for a Sonny Dykes defense?

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Who knows. He's making a huge mistake, which he'll figure out in hindsight. He's signing on with a head coach who totally ignores defense, with a first-time P5 DC who's only had a few years experience even at the G5 level. Since arriving at Cal Sonny has never fielded a defense that averaged under 400 yards per game, and has only managed to average giving up under 30 points per game once.

Since becoming a first-time head coach at Cal Wilcox has only fielded a defense that averaged giving up over 400 ypg once, in his first year in the post-Dykes renovation project. He has never fielded a defense that allowed an average of 30 ppg, even in that first year. Put another way, Sonny best defensive points allowed year is equal to Wilcox' worst. Particularly as a defensive player this is a not even a close comparison.

Dykes

Cal
2013 12th 529.6 ypg 45.9 ppg
2014 12th 511.8 ypg 39.8 ppg
2015 9th 455.3 ypg 30.3 ppg
2016 10th 518.3 ypg 42.6 ppg

2017 not coaching

SMU
2018 8th 430.1 ypg 35.3 ppg
2019 9th 438.7 ypg 31.8 ppg
2020 6th 422.2 ypg 30.9 ppg
2021 8th 415.6 ypg 28.4 ppg

Wilcox / Cal
2017 7th 429.9 ypg 28.4 ppg
2018 3rd 319.4 ypg 21.3 ppg
2019 4th 385.5 ypg 22.1 ppg
2020 3rd 367.0 ypg 26.5 ppg
2021 4th 366.7 ypg 22.3 ppg

(year, total d conf rank, avg. total ypg, avg. ppg)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense/season/2021/group/9/table/passing/sort/yardsPerGame/dir/asc

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his defense is going to be on the field a lot. It may be good but his ppg and ypg numbers will look bad.

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This is exactly my point. With Dykes, even if as a defensive player you and your unit are good his system will make you look bad. If you're bad or even average, it will make you look terrible. That's not a recipe for personal success and achieving your life goals.

WalterSobchak said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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concernedparent said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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Also, why would he play for a Sonny Dykes defense?

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Who knows. He's making a huge mistake, which he'll figure out in hindsight. He's signing on with a head coach who totally ignores defense, with a first-time P5 DC who's only had a few years experience even at the G5 level. Since arriving at Cal Sonny has never fielded a defense that averaged under 400 yards per game, and has only managed to average giving up under 30 points per game once.

Since becoming a first-time head coach at Cal Wilcox has only fielded a defense that averaged giving up over 400 ypg once, in his first year in the post-Dykes renovation project. He has never fielded a defense that allowed an average of 30 ppg, even in that first year. Put another way, Sonny best defensive points allowed year is equal to Wilcox' worst. Particularly as a defensive player this is a not even a close comparison.

Dykes

Cal
2013 12th 529.6 ypg 45.9 ppg
2014 12th 511.8 ypg 39.8 ppg
2015 9th 455.3 ypg 30.3 ppg
2016 10th 518.3 ypg 42.6 ppg

2017 not coaching

SMU
2018 8th 430.1 ypg 35.3 ppg
2019 9th 438.7 ypg 31.8 ppg
2020 6th 422.2 ypg 30.9 ppg
2021 8th 415.6 ypg 28.4 ppg

Wilcox / Cal
2017 7th 429.9 ypg 28.4 ppg
2018 3rd 319.4 ypg 21.3 ppg
2019 4th 385.5 ypg 22.1 ppg
2020 3rd 367.0 ypg 26.5 ppg
2021 4th 366.7 ypg 22.3 ppg

(year, total d conf rank, avg. total ypg, avg. ppg)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense/season/2021/group/9/table/passing/sort/yardsPerGame/dir/asc

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his defense is going to be on the field a lot. It may be good but his ppg and ypg numbers will look bad.

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This is exactly my point. With Dykes, even if as a defensive player you and your unit are good his system will make you look bad. If you're bad or even average, it will make you look terrible. That's not a recipe for personal success and achieving your life goals.

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With more plays per game your tackles and sacks numbers will be much higher.

CalGrad95 said:

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Well that's a third top commit giving a no-confidence vote in this coaching staff.

Turns out HS kids value a winning program, and aren't that impressed with the caliber of job offer our head coach just turned down.

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TCU has a winning program? Who knew????

RighteousGoldenBear said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Well that's a third top commit giving a no-confidence vote in this coaching staff.

Turns out HS kids value a winning program, and aren't that impressed with the caliber of job offer our head coach just turned down.

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TCU has a winning program? Who knew????

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Compared to us? Yeah

When was our last 11-3 season again?

maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

calumnus said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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concernedparent said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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Also, why would he play for a Sonny Dykes defense?

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Who knows. He's making a huge mistake, which he'll figure out in hindsight. He's signing on with a head coach who totally ignores defense, with a first-time P5 DC who's only had a few years experience even at the G5 level. Since arriving at Cal Sonny has never fielded a defense that averaged under 400 yards per game, and has only managed to average giving up under 30 points per game once.

Since becoming a first-time head coach at Cal Wilcox has only fielded a defense that averaged giving up over 400 ypg once, in his first year in the post-Dykes renovation project. He has never fielded a defense that allowed an average of 30 ppg, even in that first year. Put another way, Sonny best defensive points allowed year is equal to Wilcox' worst. Particularly as a defensive player this is a not even a close comparison.

Dykes

Cal
2013 12th 529.6 ypg 45.9 ppg
2014 12th 511.8 ypg 39.8 ppg
2015 9th 455.3 ypg 30.3 ppg
2016 10th 518.3 ypg 42.6 ppg

2017 not coaching

SMU
2018 8th 430.1 ypg 35.3 ppg
2019 9th 438.7 ypg 31.8 ppg
2020 6th 422.2 ypg 30.9 ppg
2021 8th 415.6 ypg 28.4 ppg

Wilcox / Cal
2017 7th 429.9 ypg 28.4 ppg
2018 3rd 319.4 ypg 21.3 ppg
2019 4th 385.5 ypg 22.1 ppg
2020 3rd 367.0 ypg 26.5 ppg
2021 4th 366.7 ypg 22.3 ppg

(year, total d conf rank, avg. total ypg, avg. ppg)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense/season/2021/group/9/table/passing/sort/yardsPerGame/dir/asc

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his defense is going to be on the field a lot. It may be good but his ppg and ypg numbers will look bad.

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This is exactly my point. With Dykes, even if as a defensive player you and your unit are good his system will make you look bad. If you're bad or even average, it will make you look terrible. That's not a recipe for personal success and achieving your life goals.

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With more plays per game your tackles and sacks numbers will be much higher.

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LOL Weaver literally led the nation in tackles playing for Wilcox. Dykes has never had a player who even ranked among the leaders.

bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

Not if your defense is gassed and heavy legged by the third quarter.

maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

Pittstop said:

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Not if your defense is gassed and heavy legged by the third quarter.

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They still make "tackles." Our last DE drafted was Looney. He had 51 tackles in 11 games in 2016 and 41 tackles in 12 games in 2017, despite playing in a much better defense in 2017.

More plays = more tackles to go around. Bend but don't break = more plays than a blitzing high risk defense. The best defense forces 3 and outs = few plays = few tackles.

calumnus said:

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Pittstop said:

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Not if your defense is gassed and heavy legged by the third quarter.

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They still make "tackles." Our last DE drafted was Looney. He had 51 tackles in 11 games in 2016 and 41 tackles in 12 games in 2017, despite playing in a much better defense in 2017.

More plays = more tackles to go around. Bend but don't break = more plays than a blitzing high risk defense. The best defense forces 3 and outs = few plays = few tackles.

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Any defense that gives up as many points as Sonny's defenses is going to look BAD BAD BAD.

RighteousGoldenBear said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Well that's a third top commit giving a no-confidence vote in this coaching staff.

Turns out HS kids value a winning program, and aren't that impressed with the caliber of job offer our head coach just turned down.

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TCU has a winning program? Who knew????

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Cal would be ecstatic to be 193-82 since 2000.

Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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Amazing. You called it!

NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

82gradDLSdad said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Sounds like used car salesman Sonny did some smooth talking. I can honestly say this now: I want kids who buy what Wilcox is selling. He can explain why he turned down Oregon and decent, hardworking kids will relate. I know, pollyanna. Sue me.

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It's not pollyanna, it's smart. I'm glad this kid isn't coming since he obviously didn't want to be here. From the quotes he gave TOS it's clear his family disagrees but they aren't the ones who need to go out and perform on Saturdays. He'll find out soon enough what it's like to play in a Sonny Dykes defense. Best of luck to him, he's gonna need it.

GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

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Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.