I like Rodgers as a player. I loved him at Cal. I don't mind that he didn't take the vaccine. Its unfortunate that he lied or misled his vaccination status by saying he was "immunized". Its also unfortunate that he seems to be campaigning against the vaccine. I could probably live with all of this as a fan. However....

he now seems to be venturing out into the conspiracy world. His rhetoric is now aimed at somehow questioning the validity of the election. I mean, he could go in a lot of different directions in criticizing the Biden Administration and I'm sure some of it would be valid. Certainly that discourse would be more constructive. However, he's venturing off into Qanon fantasy tin-foil hat land and its very off putting. I've lost alot of respect for him. And its one of the reasons now that I am really not cheering for him.

As for his play - some years back, he indicated that it was one thing to play in San Francisco. Its another to play in Green Bay in the cold, snow and wind. Well - he got a 1st round bye, he got home field advantage. He got the elements. No excuses. I thought after the Packers' first drive the game was going to be a rout. But he can't seem to win when it matters. He had every opportunity to figure out the SF defense. I guess this is what happens when he does his own research. lol

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he now seems to be venturing out into the conspiracy world. His rhetoric is now aimed at somehow questioning the validity of the election. I mean, he could go in a lot of different directions in criticizing the Biden Administration and I'm sure some of it would be valid. Certainly that discourse would be more constructive. However, he's venturing off into Qanon fantasy tin-foil hat land and its very off putting. I've lost alot of respect for him. And its one of the reasons now that I am really not cheering for him.

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philly, if AR was flat out asked if the election was stolen and he said yes that would be the end of the road for me and AR -- done, finito! -- but it is not clear that he's going so far as to say that. It definitely deserves a clarification, now that he is being appropriated by a right wing whack job. The following quote is Trump's former spokesperson's appropriation of Rodgers' comment:

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"The only good news is the American people know it," Harrington said of the false idea that the election was rigged. "I mean, you had four years of them saying the 2016 election was stolen by Russia and you never had quarterbacks questioning President Trump's legitimacy. You've got Aaron Rodgers just flat out calling it out and saying, '81 million votes? Yeah, I guess. But it doesn't certainly look like it.'"

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This is her interpreting his quote, not his direct quote. This is his exact quote:

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"When the president of the United States says, 'This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,' it's because him and his constituents, which, I don't know how there are any if you watch any of his attempts at public speaking, but I guess he got 81 million votes,"

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He is obviously trying to be a smart ass. He is stating that he is surprised that Biden got a SINGLE vote. In the same breath that he says "but I guess he got 81 votes." I am giving him the benefit of a doubt here, but docking him IQ points even if he acknowledges that Biden's victory was legitimate because he used vague phrasing when there are probably many tens of millions of American dipshiits who have full conviction that is was stolen.

Too bad there are no more press conferences this season because I would want him to be perfectly clear in his answer to this question. To be anything other than that is being part of the stop the steal movement, which means he should never be associated with Cal again. If you judge him based on his exact quote -- I think you hold off judging him for this comment. Unfortunately, this question would be too hot for Pat McAfee to bring up on his weekly conversation with AR.

Well, I would just say, read the whole quote:

"When the president of the United States says, 'This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,' it's because him and his constituents, which, I don't know how there are any if you watch any of his attempts at public speaking, but I guess he got 81 million votes," Rodgers said Thursday.

But then he continues on and says:

"But when you say stuff like that, and then you have the CDC, which, how do you even trust them, but then they come out and talk about 75% of the COVID deaths have at least four comorbidities. The kicker--> "And you still have this fake White House set saying that this is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, that's not helping the conversation."

That "fake white house set" is what is being used by the Red Hat Brigade. His quote of the CDC is also misleading. Again, he could have criticized the Biden Administration in a number of different legitimate ways. But he went there. Poor form.

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But then he continues on and says:

"But when you say stuff like that, and then you have the CDC, which, how do you even trust them, but then they come out and talk about 75% of the COVID deaths have at least four comorbidities. The kicker--> "And you still have this fake White House set saying that this is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, that's not helping the conversation."

That "fake white house set" is what is being used by the Red Hat Brigade. His quote of the CDC is also misleading. Again, he could have criticized the Biden Administration in a number of different legitimate ways. But he went there. Poor form.

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It's unfortunate that he isn't more careful with his words -- using "fake" instead of "misleading" or "deceitful", essentially donning the vernacular of Trump.

Let's see how it plays out. He may very well have morphed into an anti-vax, stop the steal, Trump-admiring person (I can't discount that at all), but... let him clarify his words because they are vague and could be misconstrued.

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1) Rodgers actually played a pretty good game. His QB rating was much higher than the Niner QB. Packers'special teams actually was the deciding factor.
2) Sebastabear is spot on...
3) Rodgers' medical pronouncements may leave a lot to be desired, but he gets points for continuing to have the courage of his convictions. it's easy to fold in the face of public humiliation;but, he shows great courage in facing down his tormentors.

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I thought who lost the game was the GB game plan. You know you are going to have a ****ty field (or they should have) and yet they had all these quick cut pass routes that are near impossible to run on a frozen field. Conversely, when they needed it neners ran seam routes and slants.

AR's liberal, environmental activist girlfriend and her dude definitely make for an interesting pairing. I'm sure she would prefer that he wasn't among the most disliked players in the NFL and lauded on the Steve Bannon Show.

From 2019:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/shailene-woodley-is-still-feeling-the-bern-we-just-need-to-****ing-get-a-good-person-in-office



How much different would this thread look like if the title was just "Niners beat the Packers".

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BearForce2 said:

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Aaron Rodgers was on a podcast having a conversation with a friend. He wasn't playing doctor and offering medical advice to anyone, especially Cal fans.

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A podcast is not a private conversation, and everyone knows it.

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So what did Aaron say to Pat McAfee that bothered you so much?

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One of his stated reasons for not taking the vaccines was that he was worried about becoming infertile and not being able to father a child. There's no reason to think that any of these vaccines impact that, like no evidence at all. Yet he's out there spreading this as a legitimate reason to refuse it.

He referenced Joe Rogan's medical advice as being just as good a path to immunization: monocolonal antibodies, ivermectin, zinc, vitamin C and D, and hydroxychloroquine. Nonsense.

In doing so, he compared himself to MLK in his fight against injustice. Okay, sure bud.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-covid-pat-mcafee-show-target-woke-mob/1caksb1mfhcrj1dgikrkvttu90

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What Rodgers said was a true statement. - "there have been no long-term studies around sterility or fertility issues around the vaccines." There many not be any evidence to suggest that mRNA vaccines affect fertility but that doesn't mean what Rodgers stated wasn't true.

Joe Rogan wasn't giving medical on his show and neither was Aaron Rodgers giving medical advice on Pat McAfee's show. Rogan was sharing his own story with his audience and with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta . If both Rogan and Rodgers were giving medical advice in your eyes, then you will have to admit that you too are giving medical advice by making statements in this public forum. Keep in mind you have already declared that therapeutic treatments are complete nonsense, something that many medical professionals disagree with.

Rodgers didn't "compare" himself to MLK Jr, rather he quoted him. It was the writer of article you linked, Edward Sutelan, that said he "compared himself to MLK." Rodgers stated, "the great MLK said you have a moral obligation to object to unjust rules, and rules that make no sense. In my opinion, it makes no sense to me."

I have no problem if people disagree with Rodgers and I'm sure Rodgers will be the first to tell you the same. But you are spreading misinformation.

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I actually think he sees himself as enough of an independent thinker to where he's not going to let himself be branded with his current public perception.

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If you only watched AR on the Pat McAfee Show, his preferred media outlet, you would get the impression that AR is most comfortable with people who, far from challenging him, actively idolize and heap praise on him. It's nice to have yes men homies like this, but due to it being a public format he isn't well served by a bff host that goads AR into constantly re-affirming his victim mentality. Note: the idolatry is somewhat earned as this consistent level of access to AR helped catapult the show to the next level of viewership and cultural prominence.

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Rodgers is friends with McAfee. He's not obligated to talk to anyone in his free time. Do you know Pat McAfee's vaccination status? Do you care? No one cares except the vaccine Nazis.

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P.S. Rodgers isn't a bad person because he chose not be vaccinated. He is a bad person because he lied about his status. I have no use for the guy regardless of how many millions he gives Cal. Money can't buy integrity.

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What was his lie? Who did he lie to?
The Packers and the NFL were aware he wasn't vaccinated. He never said he was vaccinated.

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I like Rodgers as a player. I loved him at Cal. I don't mind that he didn't take the vaccine. Its unfortunate that he lied or misled his vaccination status by saying he was "immunized". Its also unfortunate that he seems to be campaigning against the vaccine. I could probably live with all of this as a fan. However....

he now seems to be venturing out into the conspiracy world. His rhetoric is now aimed at somehow questioning the validity of the election. I mean, he could go in a lot of different directions in criticizing the Biden Administration and I'm sure some of it would be valid. Certainly that discourse would be more constructive. However, he's venturing off into Qanon fantasy tin-foil hat land and its very off putting. I've lost alot of respect for him. And its one of the reasons now that I am really not cheering for him.

As for his play - some years back, he indicated that it was one thing to play in San Francisco. Its another to play in Green Bay in the cold, snow and wind. Well - he got a 1st round bye, he got home field advantage. He got the elements. No excuses. I thought after the Packers' first drive the game was going to be a rout. But he can't seem to win when it matters. He had every opportunity to figure out the SF defense. I guess this is what happens when he does his own research. lol

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Why are you so itching to talk about politics when you don't even post on the OT Board?

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Do you look to him for insurance advice? Apparently State Farm thinks some people may because it's presumably paying him to promote that "Rodgers Rate." Famous people including famous athletes can influence people's behavior, or so the advertising industry appears to believe. And if AR's vaccine opinions are influencing anyone that ain't good. Also, he lied, which ain't good either. Glad his team lost.

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Aaron Rodgers didn't tell anyone not to take the vaccine. If you're worried about athletes influencing people's behavior, you have a lot of worrying to do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sportspeople_convicted_of_crimes

AR can't seem to quit being a victim.

Aaron Rodgers says people were rooting against the Packers solely because of his vaccination status. pic.twitter.com/oXsRTZk2Co

— The Sporting News (@sportingnews) January 25, 2022

There was no doubt people were rooting against the Packers solely because of Rodger's vaccination status. Twitter exploded with vaccine related comments after the the Packer's loss, lol!

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There was no doubt people were rooting against the Packers solely because of Rodger's vaccination status. Twitter exploded with vaccine related comments after the the Packer's loss, lol!

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I was rooting for AR and the Packers despite AR's recent foolishness. I don't care about his politics. However, if he keeps doubling down on the stupid, eventually he's gonna lose me. That would take awhile, because he has a lot of credit built up with me.

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BearForce2 said:

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There was no doubt people were rooting against the Packers solely because of Rodger's vaccination status. Twitter exploded with vaccine related comments after the the Packer's loss, lol!

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I was rooting for AR and the Packers despite AR's recent foolishness. I don't care about his politics. However, if he keeps doubling down on the stupid, eventually he's gonna lose me. That would take awhile, because he has a lot of credit built up with me.

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What stupid is he doubling down on?

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philly1121 said:

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I like Rodgers as a player. I loved him at Cal. I don't mind that he didn't take the vaccine. Its unfortunate that he lied or misled his vaccination status by saying he was "immunized". Its also unfortunate that he seems to be campaigning against the vaccine. I could probably live with all of this as a fan. However....

he now seems to be venturing out into the conspiracy world. His rhetoric is now aimed at somehow questioning the validity of the election. I mean, he could go in a lot of different directions in criticizing the Biden Administration and I'm sure some of it would be valid. Certainly that discourse would be more constructive. However, he's venturing off into Qanon fantasy tin-foil hat land and its very off putting. I've lost alot of respect for him. And its one of the reasons now that I am really not cheering for him.

As for his play - some years back, he indicated that it was one thing to play in San Francisco. Its another to play in Green Bay in the cold, snow and wind. Well - he got a 1st round bye, he got home field advantage. He got the elements. No excuses. I thought after the Packers' first drive the game was going to be a rout. But he can't seem to win when it matters. He had every opportunity to figure out the SF defense. I guess this is what happens when he does his own research. lol

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Why are you so itching to talk about politics when you don't even post on the OT Board?

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It's probably some reason similar to why you're posting multiple political posts on Growls.

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BearForce2 said:

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Why are you so itching to talk about politics when you don't even post on the OT Board?

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It's probably some reason similar to why you're posting multiple political posts on Growls.

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I generally save my Biden jokes for OT.

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There was no doubt people were rooting against the Packers solely because of Rodger's vaccination status. Twitter exploded with vaccine related comments after the the Packer's loss, lol!

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I was rooting for AR and the Packers despite AR's recent foolishness. I don't care about his politics. However, if he keeps doubling down on the stupid, eventually he's gonna lose me. That would take awhile, because he has a lot of credit built up with me.

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What stupid is he doubling down on?

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LOL. Yeah, like -- agree or not -- you couldn't guess what I am referring to!

- not getting vaxxed in the first place
- evading the truth that he wasn't vaxxed, including interacting maskless with people who assumed he was vaxxed
- citing asinine reasons for not getting vaxxed, such as he's planning on having children(???)
- playing the victim card and referencing trite dogmatic phrases like "woke mob" and "cancel culture"

I hope Aaron Rodgers, at some point going forward, does better than this. It doesn't bother me who he might vote for or if he's an "independent thinker", but he acted like an ignorant, non-thinker on this one. He's a smart guy, which is why, IMO, he has even less of an excuse for acting stupid.

Wow, as this article points out, Rodgers has always been into conspiracy theories, but they were of the alien variety.

The Undoing of Aaron Rodgers' Mind Has Been in the Works for Years https://t.co/A1JieIfCBP

— pajiba (@pajiba) January 25, 2022

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There was no doubt people were rooting against the Packers solely because of Rodger's vaccination status. Twitter exploded with vaccine related comments after the the Packer's loss, lol!

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I was rooting for AR and the Packers despite AR's recent foolishness. I don't care about his politics. However, if he keeps doubling down on the stupid, eventually he's gonna lose me. That would take awhile, because he has a lot of credit built up with me.

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What stupid is he doubling down on?

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Yeah, like -- agree or not -- you couldn't guess what I am referring to!

- not getting vaxxed in the first place
*** vaccination may not be in the best interest of in shape professional athletes

- evading the truth that he wasn't vaxxed, including interacting with people, maskless, people who thought he was vaxxed
*** possibly with the exception of being in an environment where everyone was constantly tested, including himself, he should definitely have worn masks inside when sharing areas with others.
- citing asinine reasons for not getting vaxxed, like he's planning on having children(???)
*** He probably is planning on having children. This is only logical if you really don't see the full benefits of vaccination against covid and you actually are having children soon. I don't agree that mRNA has effects on male sperm.

- playing the victim card and referencing trite dogmatic phrases like "woke mob" and "cancel culture"
*** while I don't feel sorry for him by any means, Rodgers goes against the mainstream media messaging and therefore is attacked by the mainstream media. It is what it is.

I hope Aaron Rodgers, at some point going forward, does better than this. It doesn't bother me who he might vote for or if he's an "independent thinker", but he acted like an ignorant, non-thinker on this one.
*** We were taught at Berkeley to question things. You can call him selfish for not conforming to the US public health policy, but he certainly isn't a non-thinker.

He's a smart guy, which is why, IMO, he has even less of an excuse for acting stupid.

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Wow, as this article points out, Rodgers has always been into conspiracy theories, but they were of the alien variety.

The Undoing of Aaron Rodgers' Mind Has Been in the Works for Years https://t.co/A1JieIfCBP

— pajiba (@pajiba) January 25, 2022

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Mahomes is 8-2 in the playoffs in 4 seasons as starter.

Rodgers is 11-10 in the playoffs in 14 seasons as starter.

If Mahomes wins the Super Bowl....he'll be one shy of Rodgers.


(My random theory: I think the emergence of Mahomes in 2018 fueled Rodgers to be great again in 2019, 2020 and 2021. I also think Goff making the Super Bowl that season also played a role.)

What does that have to do with anything? The topic was here. I posted my opinion. Don't like it, stay off the boards.

What will the title of the first thread be if AR joins the Niners this year?

B.A. Bearacus said:

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What will the title of the first thread be if AR joins the Niners this year?

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If you can't beat them join them.

or maybe . . .

woke mob can shove it

Bob McGinn, one of the most celebrated NFL beat reporters who's covered the Packers since the 70s and who has always been particularly harsh on Rodgers, delves into his poor performance in this 2-hour podcast.

Of the 8 QBs in the divisional round, he ranks Rodgers as No. 7 (Ryan Tannehil is No. 8).

He also goes into why passer rating is a flawed stat and how it helps push Rodgers to avoid taking risks...really interesting perspective.


(Go to 25:30 mark).

Episode 21 of the TY & BOB PODCAST: SF and GB each had the ball starting at its 29 in the last 5 minutes. One team and its QB responded, one team and its QB spit the bit. https://t.co/jekGvxhUsv

— Bob McGinn (@BobMcGinn) January 26, 2022

Tremendous stuff. Couldn’t agree more with you guys and it’s refreshing to hear.

Protecting that passer rating to get mvp… In big moments, sometimes you have to take a chance instead of a throwaway or sack. Been a pet peeve of mine forever!

— Uncle Mike (@CheeseTalkRadio) January 26, 2022

Dude is speaking facts. Not sure what's wrong with Rodgers and the guy says it too - "he's missing something".

One team was protecting a lead.

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Bob McGinn, one of the most celebrated NFL beat reporters who's covered the Packers since the 70s and who has always been particularly harsh on Rodgers, delves into his poor performance in this 2-hour podcast.

Of the 8 QBs in the divisional round, he ranks Rodgers as No. 7 (Ryan Tannehil is No. 8).

He also goes into why passer rating is a flawed stat and how it helps push Rodgers to avoid taking risks...really interesting perspective.


(Go to 25:30 mark).

Episode 21 of the TY & BOB PODCAST: SF and GB each had the ball starting at its 29 in the last 5 minutes. One team and its QB responded, one team and its QB spit the bit. https://t.co/jekGvxhUsv

— Bob McGinn (@BobMcGinn) January 26, 2022

Tremendous stuff. Couldn’t agree more with you guys and it’s refreshing to hear.

Protecting that passer rating to get mvp… In big moments, sometimes you have to take a chance instead of a throwaway or sack. Been a pet peeve of mine forever!

— Uncle Mike (@CheeseTalkRadio) January 26, 2022

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Later in the podcast, McGinn discussed some of the great Packers special teams players, and mentioned Desmond Bishop.

FYI: This is his San Diego home. He lives and works out in L.A. in the offseason.

Aaron Rodgers sells California home as fate with Packers looms https://t.co/u9Tp7AQMk2 pic.twitter.com/4ntVaeiE6x

— Page Six (@PageSix) January 28, 2022

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FYI: This is his San Diego home. He lives and works out in L.A. in the offseason.

Aaron Rodgers sells California home as fate with Packers looms https://t.co/u9Tp7AQMk2 pic.twitter.com/4ntVaeiE6x

— Page Six (@PageSix) January 28, 2022

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https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/James-Hetfield-moved-to-quiet-Colorado-to-10808564.php#taboola-1

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okaydo said:

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FYI: This is his San Diego home. He lives and works out in L.A. in the offseason.

Aaron Rodgers sells California home as fate with Packers looms https://t.co/u9Tp7AQMk2 pic.twitter.com/4ntVaeiE6x

— Page Six (@PageSix) January 28, 2022

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https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/James-Hetfield-moved-to-quiet-Colorado-to-10808564.php#taboola-1

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Speaking of which...I had no idea Nathanial Hackett was at Stanford while Rodgers was at Cal.

(I can't see Rodgers, however, entering a division with 2-3 great QBs.)

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ColoradoBear said:

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okaydo said:

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FYI: This is his San Diego home. He lives and works out in L.A. in the offseason.

Aaron Rodgers sells California home as fate with Packers looms https://t.co/u9Tp7AQMk2 pic.twitter.com/4ntVaeiE6x

— Page Six (@PageSix) January 28, 2022

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https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/James-Hetfield-moved-to-quiet-Colorado-to-10808564.php#taboola-1

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Speaking of which...I had no idea Nathanial Hackett was at Stanford while Rodgers was at Cal.

(I can't see Rodgers, however, entering a division with 2-3 great QBs.)

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Oh my, the Broncos hired from the Buddy Teevans coaching tree?