GivemTheAxe said:philly1121 said:Ok. So they're raising tuition 2.4% for incoming 2022 freshman class. It amounts to - what - about $5-600? Ok, you got me on that one. Quite frankly - if my son got in (which I still don't think he will) - I would gladly pay it.GivemTheAxe said:philly1121 said:
That's what these traditionalists don't understand. The CoB had a foolproof argument. Cap enrollment because of NIMBYism. University objects. CoB says - ok, cap enrollment of foreign and out of state students so that you can admit more California students. University loses in court. University now says it will admit more Cali students.
Apart from the enrollment cap - how can this be a bad thing for California students looking to get into Berkeley?
1. Cal will have to raise tuition to make up for the revenue lost by admitting fewer out of state students who pay higher tuition than in state students.
2. In state students lose benefits of having fellow students who have different backgrounds and view points from in-state students.
I had three good friends who were out of state students.
A. One was a half-Indian (Native American) (indigenous)(first peoples) and half-African American born and raised in British Columbia he had some very different perspectives on life in the USA.
B. Another was a student from Bombay/Mumbai. He was a brilliant EE and a crazy Cal FB fan Rally Commer.
C. Another was this really cute coed from New Jersey whom I married and now lives in California with me.
Your #2 is pretty laughable - a diversity argument? So - basically they will lose the benefit of someone from, say, New York? Or England? Eh, not buying it. To suggest that a Cali student would lose out on a complete or partial university experience simply because he's going to miss someone's perspective from Alabama or Wisconsin seems quite the stretch. The benefit of UC experience, particularly at Cal, is that one can immerse themselves in a wide variety of clubs, student social and academic groups - IF THEY CHOOSE.
And congrats on finding your bride at Cal. I also met my future wife at Cal. She was from a small agricultural, majority immigrant town in the Central Valley that I had never heard of, located in a part of California that I never thought I would see or live in. And when I went to meet her family for the first time, it was a gigantic culture shock that made me rethink alot of my own biases and perspectives. I've learned and feel I'm better for it. And now I live in Fresno. See - diverse perspectives come from Cali too.
Thanks for your comments but if you think that the tuition hike will be only $500-$600 very long you will be very mistaken. That is just the starting point.
And while you may be willing to gladly pay that extra amount. Remember that Cal has a large number of Pell grant students who have difficulty paying even the current tuition.
My wife and I donate to several Cal alumni scholarships. If you listen to the reports by some of recipients of those scholarships their stories are heart breaking. While it might be easy for you to come up with an extra $500-$600 in tuition , it is quite a struggle for them. Especially when you consider the other non-tuition costs of attending Cal.
When was a student at Cal the state covered between 80-90% of the costs of Cal. This year that number will be 10%. The rest is made up by federal grants, fund raising extraordinary donation and TUITION.
The current tuition is already a barrier for qualified California students from low income families Higher tuition will make this worse and will worsen the large income disparity that already exists
I came to Cal when tuition was $50 per semester. The rest of the money I needed My family was a poor Latino family I made that up with part time and summer jobs The low tuition allowed me to grt
The fee hike raises it 2.4% I believe and I don't believe the incoming student will experience any additional fee hike while at Cal. Or at least during a 5-6 year period. I would have to go back and look. But are you seriously saying that, if there is an enrollment cap, you would rather reduce the number of California students that would be eligible for admission in favor of foreign and out of state students - simply because you feel they would balance the books better? Is that where we're at now? You don't think the state is diverse enough to offer qualified underrepresented students who live in California a chance over an out of state or foreign one?