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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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Also, I'm curious what websites WIAF is referring to. I went to CalBears.com and as you can see there were only 21 UA items for sale.



Meanwhile, Wisconsin's official store had 171 UA items




And Northwestern's official store didn't show a total, but had 3+ pages of 48 each page for a total of 190 UA items.

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You do realize you went on something called Fanatics, rather than the Cal or Northwestern student stores internet sites? Just because something says it if official doesn't mean it is. If you go to Wikipedia you will see that Fanatics is an independent brand which has its own merchandise on its own site, AND which also has deals with UA, Nike, Adidas and the like to carry some of their stuff on its websites.

If you want to buy Cal stuff from Cal, you need to go to the student store website. Same with the other schools.

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No, I don't realize that. And I think you're wrong.

I went to https://calbears.com/ - that is the official Cal Athletics website, not "something called Fanatics," as you believe.



From the top menu, I clicked SHOP. From that drop down menu, I selected "Official Online Store - Shop.CalBears.com."



I then did a search and filtered by brand - UnderArmour only. Just like last week, 21 items.



What you think is a different website (Fanatics) is simply who Cal has farmed the task of running its online store out to - Fanatics. But this is the official Cal Athletics store. 21 UnderArmour items. The same goes for Wisconsin and Northwestern - I went to their Athletic Department websites and navigated from there to their official store. If you want to argue this is unofficial, take it up with the Athletic Department.

However, you did answer my question, - we were using different Cal affiliated stores. I now understand you are using https://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu.

I must admit I had no idea this website existed before you just clarified it was the student store website, so I did a google search to find it. Once there, I did a search on there for Under Armour. There were 98 results! Even more than the 64 you said you found. (Before anyone asks, I also searched flor "UnderArmour" and got zero results).



However, there are not 98 items on there.

First, a number of the items may be mislabeled. For example the top two results are those sweatshirts you see above. The first is titled "MENS UNDER ARMOR BIG COTTON FULL ZIP ARCHED BERK"




But it does not take long to see that this item is not an UnderArmour item. The logo on the tag was new to me, so I zoomed in.



"Gear for Sports." I googled it. Gear for Sports is a Hanes brand. Its website reads, "Gear for Sports sells its products under some of the most powerful brands in sportswear, including Under Armour, Champion and Gear for Sports."


This sweatshirt, though, is not UnderArmour but instead the last in that list - "Gear for Sports." So let's subtract that from the 98 results. Ok, the next two items are the same brand. The next ten items are clearly UA. Then there is a pair of pants that is clearly not UA. It is called "MD25-Youth Armour Fleece Pant Golden Bears" and seems to have fallen in these results because of the word Armour in its name. There is no UnderArmour logo to be seen.



Ok so we're at ten. The next nine items are UA. We're at 19. The next item is a pair of leggings that has no visible UA logo, but I can't prove it's not UA, so I'll give it to you. 20. The final six items on the page are UA. We're at 26.

But here's where things get interesting.

As you can see here, it says we are on Page 1 of 4 of the search results. That sounds about right. There were 30 items on this page (the 25+1 UA items and the 4 non UA items). And if there are 98 results, we'd end up with 4 pages.



But when I click next page, things fall apart.



That is an error message, showing we are now on Page 2 of 0, with 0 results for the search for Under Armour. Now, I don't know if there are really only 26 UA items and the website is just not working, but I also tried this from my phone and got the same result. So I can tell you that, right now, you can only find 20 UA items on the Cal Student Store website and 31 UA items on the Cal Athletics store website.

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Where to begin? It is not like a hid that I was going directly to the schools though their book store sites. I must have said that 10 times. I must have said if you want more items go to the Cal Book Store a lot.

Why don't you just google "Cal student store" and "under armor".

The first thing I noticed is that at the top of each page the book store website says:

"Official Website of UC Berkeley."

You also get this:

"Under Armour
83 Results"

And then pictures of 83 Under Armor items on three pages. The first page has 9 rows of three, next page 10 rows of 3, the third page 7 rows of 3 and one row of two. I'm going to let you do the math.

Why did I say first say 64 times, and not 83?

I had previously gone to the store and then put in Under Armor in the search box and got only 64 items. Why the difference? I don't know - ask Cal.

You said you could not get any more pages - I didn't have that problem.

Mislabeling: And then I looked at the items. So there are these MD-25 items that clearly say UA on the product description on them and also MD-25-F19 kids things that clearly have a UA label, so I'm really confused by your comment that these seem to be someone else's product. In fact, if you look at the tags in the pictures of the clothes, all the items have the UA logo. Now I didn't get 98 items on my search. Why ? I don't know ask Cal.

As for your comment about me being wrong on Fanatics, you simply don't understand that the schools have given an e commerce license to the Fanatics. The schools don't control the website. Fanatics has separate website that is puts on its own product and others that it buys from others companies. Prove it to yourself:

1) Buy something and see who the money goes to.
2) Go to the company's website and read it about what is does.
3) You can google "Fanatics" and learn about their website

If you don't like the number of UA items you need to complain to Fanatics.


What is amusing about all this is all the crybaby posters about Cal having less items now have to deal with the fact that Cal actually may sell more items than other schools. Cal just has a difficult website to navigate. The problem I see is that many of you are using the Fanatics site that doesn't support much in the way of UA items. That is a decision Fanatics makes, not UA. Realize Fanatics' main objective is to sell their own brand.

I will say this for what seems like the zenith time, go to the Cal Book Store site, the "Official Site of UC Berkeley", and you can get many more choices, including much more in the way of UA selection.

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I showed you there are 26 items. With screenshots. You claim there are more, offering little more than your usual condescension.

Retired lawyer, recovering and bored - a terrible combo.

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wifeisafurd said:

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GMP said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GMP said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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maxer said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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Also, I'm curious what websites WIAF is referring to. I went to CalBears.com and as you can see there were only 21 UA items for sale.



Meanwhile, Wisconsin's official store had 171 UA items




And Northwestern's official store didn't show a total, but had 3+ pages of 48 each page for a total of 190 UA items.

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You do realize you went on something called Fanatics, rather than the Cal or Northwestern student stores internet sites? Just because something says it if official doesn't mean it is. If you go to Wikipedia you will see that Fanatics is an independent brand which has its own merchandise on its own site, AND which also has deals with UA, Nike, Adidas and the like to carry some of their stuff on its websites.

If you want to buy Cal stuff from Cal, you need to go to the student store website. Same with the other schools.

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No, I don't realize that. And I think you're wrong.

I went to https://calbears.com/ - that is the official Cal Athletics website, not "something called Fanatics," as you believe.



From the top menu, I clicked SHOP. From that drop down menu, I selected "Official Online Store - Shop.CalBears.com."



I then did a search and filtered by brand - UnderArmour only. Just like last week, 21 items.



What you think is a different website (Fanatics) is simply who Cal has farmed the task of running its online store out to - Fanatics. But this is the official Cal Athletics store. 21 UnderArmour items. The same goes for Wisconsin and Northwestern - I went to their Athletic Department websites and navigated from there to their official store. If you want to argue this is unofficial, take it up with the Athletic Department.

However, you did answer my question, - we were using different Cal affiliated stores. I now understand you are using https://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu.

I must admit I had no idea this website existed before you just clarified it was the student store website, so I did a google search to find it. Once there, I did a search on there for Under Armour. There were 98 results! Even more than the 64 you said you found. (Before anyone asks, I also searched flor "UnderArmour" and got zero results).



However, there are not 98 items on there.

First, a number of the items may be mislabeled. For example the top two results are those sweatshirts you see above. The first is titled "MENS UNDER ARMOR BIG COTTON FULL ZIP ARCHED BERK"




But it does not take long to see that this item is not an UnderArmour item. The logo on the tag was new to me, so I zoomed in.



"Gear for Sports." I googled it. Gear for Sports is a Hanes brand. Its website reads, "Gear for Sports sells its products under some of the most powerful brands in sportswear, including Under Armour, Champion and Gear for Sports."


This sweatshirt, though, is not UnderArmour but instead the last in that list - "Gear for Sports." So let's subtract that from the 98 results. Ok, the next two items are the same brand. The next ten items are clearly UA. Then there is a pair of pants that is clearly not UA. It is called "MD25-Youth Armour Fleece Pant Golden Bears" and seems to have fallen in these results because of the word Armour in its name. There is no UnderArmour logo to be seen.



Ok so we're at ten. The next nine items are UA. We're at 19. The next item is a pair of leggings that has no visible UA logo, but I can't prove it's not UA, so I'll give it to you. 20. The final six items on the page are UA. We're at 26.

But here's where things get interesting.

As you can see here, it says we are on Page 1 of 4 of the search results. That sounds about right. There were 30 items on this page (the 25+1 UA items and the 4 non UA items). And if there are 98 results, we'd end up with 4 pages.



But when I click next page, things fall apart.



That is an error message, showing we are now on Page 2 of 0, with 0 results for the search for Under Armour. Now, I don't know if there are really only 26 UA items and the website is just not working, but I also tried this from my phone and got the same result. So I can tell you that, right now, you can only find 20 UA items on the Cal Student Store website and 31 UA items on the Cal Athletics store website.

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Where to begin? It is not like a hid that I was going directly to the schools though their book store sites. I must have said that 10 times. I must have said if you want more items go to the Cal Book Store a lot.

Why don't you just google "Cal student store" and "under armor".

The first thing I noticed is that at the top of each page the book store website says:

"Official Website of UC Berkeley."

You also get this:

"Under Armour
83 Results"

And then pictures of 83 Under Armor items on three pages. The first page has 9 rows of three, next page 10 rows of 3, the third page 7 rows of 3 and one row of two. I'm going to let you do the math.

Why did I say first say 64 times, and not 83?

I had previously gone to the store and then put in Under Armor in the search box and got only 64 items. Why the difference? I don't know - ask Cal.

You said you could not get any more pages - I didn't have that problem.

Mislabeling: And then I looked at the items. So there are these MD-25 items that clearly say UA on the product description on them and also MD-25-F19 kids things that clearly have a UA label, so I'm really confused by your comment that these seem to be someone else's product. In fact, if you look at the tags in the pictures of the clothes, all the items have the UA logo. Now I didn't get 98 items on my search. Why ? I don't know ask Cal.

As for your comment about me being wrong on Fanatics, you simply don't understand that the schools have given an e commerce license to the Fanatics. The schools don't control the website. Fanatics has separate website that is puts on its own product and others that it buys from others companies. Prove it to yourself:

1) Buy something and see who the money goes to.
2) Go to the company's website and read it about what is does.
3) You can google "Fanatics" and learn about their website

If you don't like the number of UA items you need to complain to Fanatics.


What is amusing about all this is all the crybaby posters about Cal having less items now have to deal with the fact that Cal actually may sell more items than other schools. Cal just has a difficult website to navigate. The problem I see is that many of you are using the Fanatics site that doesn't support much in the way of UA items. That is a decision Fanatics makes, not UA. Realize Fanatics' main objective is to sell their own brand.

I will say this for what seems like the zenith time, go to the Cal Book Store site, the "Official Site of UC Berkeley", and you can get many more choices, including much more in the way of UA selection.

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I showed you there are 26 items. With screenshots. You claim there are more, offering little more than your usual condescension.

Retired lawyer, recovering and bored - a terrible combo.

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You keep getting it wrong. Your arrogance aside, it isn't that hard to get to Cal bookstore site and use it.

I'm a real estate guy who works a lot of hours.

Are you able to read a link?

Under Armour | Cal Student Storehttps://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu merchandise un...

So how many items again?

Can you read a label? Do I need to link the UA label for you?

Nice screenshos. Do I need to go the Fanatics website so see what they do, and link it for you?

Perhaps a little condescension is good for your arrogance?

wifeisafurd said:

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GMP said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GMP said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GMP said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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maxer said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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Also, I'm curious what websites WIAF is referring to. I went to CalBears.com and as you can see there were only 21 UA items for sale.



Meanwhile, Wisconsin's official store had 171 UA items




And Northwestern's official store didn't show a total, but had 3+ pages of 48 each page for a total of 190 UA items.

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You do realize you went on something called Fanatics, rather than the Cal or Northwestern student stores internet sites? Just because something says it if official doesn't mean it is. If you go to Wikipedia you will see that Fanatics is an independent brand which has its own merchandise on its own site, AND which also has deals with UA, Nike, Adidas and the like to carry some of their stuff on its websites.

If you want to buy Cal stuff from Cal, you need to go to the student store website. Same with the other schools.

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No, I don't realize that. And I think you're wrong.

I went to https://calbears.com/ - that is the official Cal Athletics website, not "something called Fanatics," as you believe.



From the top menu, I clicked SHOP. From that drop down menu, I selected "Official Online Store - Shop.CalBears.com."



I then did a search and filtered by brand - UnderArmour only. Just like last week, 21 items.



What you think is a different website (Fanatics) is simply who Cal has farmed the task of running its online store out to - Fanatics. But this is the official Cal Athletics store. 21 UnderArmour items. The same goes for Wisconsin and Northwestern - I went to their Athletic Department websites and navigated from there to their official store. If you want to argue this is unofficial, take it up with the Athletic Department.

However, you did answer my question, - we were using different Cal affiliated stores. I now understand you are using https://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu.

I must admit I had no idea this website existed before you just clarified it was the student store website, so I did a google search to find it. Once there, I did a search on there for Under Armour. There were 98 results! Even more than the 64 you said you found. (Before anyone asks, I also searched flor "UnderArmour" and got zero results).



However, there are not 98 items on there.

First, a number of the items may be mislabeled. For example the top two results are those sweatshirts you see above. The first is titled "MENS UNDER ARMOR BIG COTTON FULL ZIP ARCHED BERK"




But it does not take long to see that this item is not an UnderArmour item. The logo on the tag was new to me, so I zoomed in.



"Gear for Sports." I googled it. Gear for Sports is a Hanes brand. Its website reads, "Gear for Sports sells its products under some of the most powerful brands in sportswear, including Under Armour, Champion and Gear for Sports."


This sweatshirt, though, is not UnderArmour but instead the last in that list - "Gear for Sports." So let's subtract that from the 98 results. Ok, the next two items are the same brand. The next ten items are clearly UA. Then there is a pair of pants that is clearly not UA. It is called "MD25-Youth Armour Fleece Pant Golden Bears" and seems to have fallen in these results because of the word Armour in its name. There is no UnderArmour logo to be seen.



Ok so we're at ten. The next nine items are UA. We're at 19. The next item is a pair of leggings that has no visible UA logo, but I can't prove it's not UA, so I'll give it to you. 20. The final six items on the page are UA. We're at 26.

But here's where things get interesting.

As you can see here, it says we are on Page 1 of 4 of the search results. That sounds about right. There were 30 items on this page (the 25+1 UA items and the 4 non UA items). And if there are 98 results, we'd end up with 4 pages.



But when I click next page, things fall apart.



That is an error message, showing we are now on Page 2 of 0, with 0 results for the search for Under Armour. Now, I don't know if there are really only 26 UA items and the website is just not working, but I also tried this from my phone and got the same result. So I can tell you that, right now, you can only find 20 UA items on the Cal Student Store website and 31 UA items on the Cal Athletics store website.

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Where to begin? It is not like a hid that I was going directly to the schools though their book store sites. I must have said that 10 times. I must have said if you want more items go to the Cal Book Store a lot.

Why don't you just google "Cal student store" and "under armor".

The first thing I noticed is that at the top of each page the book store website says:

"Official Website of UC Berkeley."

You also get this:

"Under Armour
83 Results"

And then pictures of 83 Under Armor items on three pages. The first page has 9 rows of three, next page 10 rows of 3, the third page 7 rows of 3 and one row of two. I'm going to let you do the math.

Why did I say first say 64 times, and not 83?

I had previously gone to the store and then put in Under Armor in the search box and got only 64 items. Why the difference? I don't know - ask Cal.

You said you could not get any more pages - I didn't have that problem.

Mislabeling: And then I looked at the items. So there are these MD-25 items that clearly say UA on the product description on them and also MD-25-F19 kids things that clearly have a UA label, so I'm really confused by your comment that these seem to be someone else's product. In fact, if you look at the tags in the pictures of the clothes, all the items have the UA logo. Now I didn't get 98 items on my search. Why ? I don't know ask Cal.

As for your comment about me being wrong on Fanatics, you simply don't understand that the schools have given an e commerce license to the Fanatics. The schools don't control the website. Fanatics has separate website that is puts on its own product and others that it buys from others companies. Prove it to yourself:

1) Buy something and see who the money goes to.
2) Go to the company's website and read it about what is does.
3) You can google "Fanatics" and learn about their website

If you don't like the number of UA items you need to complain to Fanatics.


What is amusing about all this is all the crybaby posters about Cal having less items now have to deal with the fact that Cal actually may sell more items than other schools. Cal just has a difficult website to navigate. The problem I see is that many of you are using the Fanatics site that doesn't support much in the way of UA items. That is a decision Fanatics makes, not UA. Realize Fanatics' main objective is to sell their own brand.

I will say this for what seems like the zenith time, go to the Cal Book Store site, the "Official Site of UC Berkeley", and you can get many more choices, including much more in the way of UA selection.

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I showed you there are 26 items. With screenshots. You claim there are more, offering little more than your usual condescension.

Retired lawyer, recovering and bored - a terrible combo.

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You keep getting it wrong. Your arrogance aside, it isn't that hard to get to Cal bookstore site and use it.

I'm a real estate guy who works a lot of hours.

Are you able to read a link?

Under Armour | Cal Student Storehttps://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu merchandise un...

So how many items again?

Can you read a label? Do I need to link the UA label for you?

Nice screenshos. Do I need to go the Fanatics website so see what they do, and link it for you?

Perhaps a little condescension is good for your arrogance?

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You are so far up your own a-s that you take great offense and their supposed arrogance (not just to me!) anytime someone doesn't bow to your believed greatness.

People in this thread disagree with you, and you are rude to them. I simply asked a question - because the Official Cal Athletics Store has only 21 UA items, and you were rude. I ignored the rudeness and looked where you're looking and saw 26 items; your response is yet more rude condescension. Go take your meds and chill out.

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wifeisafurd said:

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HoopDreams said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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the point is UA has generic fan gear for Cal, which is worse than comparable UA brand schools, or Nike/Adidas schools, and that sucks

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First that is a generalization and overstatement. I picked two schools that I though were the most comparable. But for example. Coastal Carolina, which has a better football and basketball teams than Cal, has far fewer UA units. Does it rally make a difference to you that Cal has 20 less units than Wisky? Really?

My point is Cal is gets $8.5 million annually, where if they were to go to Nike/Adidas today that would be far smaller amount. So taking your word that Adidas and Nike are better clothes or will supply a broader range of clothes (not all posters here agree with all that), the trade off is Cal makes a lot more money than they will not get otherwise, but you have worse clothes choices BTW, if you go to the online Cal book store, you can buy Cal cloths from many other brands such as Champion, Spooner, etc. so how limited are your choices really? This seems to me to be much to do about very little.

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Oh I get that the money cal gets is the reason the UA deal is good for Cal, even with the sub-standard UA fan gear.

But I'm pretty sure the smallest cost for UA is to have a few unique UA Cal branded fan gear. A high school design student could do better than the current UA stuff, and mfg/inventory costs can't be high, plus these ARE FOR SALE.

It's pretty obvious UA isn't even trying

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If you truly believe the 64 units of clothes being sold are so inferior, why not buy the other brands being offered by the Cal books store?

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do you mean the generic Champion stuff?

I did buy one thing (and wonder why it's not in the main Cal stores because I think it would sell:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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Also, I'm curious what websites WIAF is referring to. I went to CalBears.com and as you can see there were only 21 UA items for sale.



Meanwhile, Wisconsin's official store had 171 UA items




And Northwestern's official store didn't show a total, but had 3+ pages of 48 each page for a total of 190 UA items.

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You do realize you went on something called Fanatics, rather than the Cal or Northwestern student stores internet sites? Just because something says it if official doesn't mean it is. If you go to Wikipedia you will see that Fanatics is an independent brand which has its own merchandise on its own site, AND which also has deals with UA, Nike, Adidas and the like to carry some of their stuff on its websites.

If you want to buy Cal stuff from Cal, you need to go to the student store website. Same with the other schools.

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No, I don't realize that. And I think you're wrong.

I went to https://calbears.com/ - that is the official Cal Athletics website, not "something called Fanatics," as you believe.



From the top menu, I clicked SHOP. From that drop down menu, I selected "Official Online Store - Shop.CalBears.com."



I then did a search and filtered by brand - UnderArmour only. Just like last week, 21 items.



What you think is a different website (Fanatics) is simply who Cal has farmed the task of running its online store out to - Fanatics. But this is the official Cal Athletics store. 21 UnderArmour items. The same goes for Wisconsin and Northwestern - I went to their Athletic Department websites and navigated from there to their official store. If you want to argue this is unofficial, take it up with the Athletic Department.

However, you did answer my question, - we were using different Cal affiliated stores. I now understand you are using https://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu.

I must admit I had no idea this website existed before you just clarified it was the student store website, so I did a google search to find it. Once there, I did a search on there for Under Armour. There were 98 results! Even more than the 64 you said you found. (Before anyone asks, I also searched flor "UnderArmour" and got zero results).



However, there are not 98 items on there.

First, a number of the items may be mislabeled. For example the top two results are those sweatshirts you see above. The first is titled "MENS UNDER ARMOR BIG COTTON FULL ZIP ARCHED BERK"




But it does not take long to see that this item is not an UnderArmour item. The logo on the tag was new to me, so I zoomed in.



"Gear for Sports." I googled it. Gear for Sports is a Hanes brand. Its website reads, "Gear for Sports sells its products under some of the most powerful brands in sportswear, including Under Armour, Champion and Gear for Sports."


This sweatshirt, though, is not UnderArmour but instead the last in that list - "Gear for Sports." So let's subtract that from the 98 results. Ok, the next two items are the same brand. The next ten items are clearly UA. Then there is a pair of pants that is clearly not UA. It is called "MD25-Youth Armour Fleece Pant Golden Bears" and seems to have fallen in these results because of the word Armour in its name. There is no UnderArmour logo to be seen.



Ok so we're at ten. The next nine items are UA. We're at 19. The next item is a pair of leggings that has no visible UA logo, but I can't prove it's not UA, so I'll give it to you. 20. The final six items on the page are UA. We're at 26.

But here's where things get interesting.

As you can see here, it says we are on Page 1 of 4 of the search results. That sounds about right. There were 30 items on this page (the 25+1 UA items and the 4 non UA items). And if there are 98 results, we'd end up with 4 pages.



But when I click next page, things fall apart.



That is an error message, showing we are now on Page 2 of 0, with 0 results for the search for Under Armour. Now, I don't know if there are really only 26 UA items and the website is just not working, but I also tried this from my phone and got the same result. So I can tell you that, right now, you can only find 20 UA items on the Cal Student Store website and 31 UA items on the Cal Athletics store website.

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Where to begin? It is not like a hid that I was going directly to the schools though their book store sites. I must have said that 10 times. I must have said if you want more items go to the Cal Book Store a lot.

Why don't you just google "Cal student store" and "under armor".

The first thing I noticed is that at the top of each page the book store website says:

"Official Website of UC Berkeley."

You also get this:

"Under Armour
83 Results"

And then pictures of 83 Under Armor items on three pages. The first page has 9 rows of three, next page 10 rows of 3, the third page 7 rows of 3 and one row of two. I'm going to let you do the math.

Why did I say first say 64 times, and not 83?

I had previously gone to the store and then put in Under Armor in the search box and got only 64 items. Why the difference? I don't know - ask Cal.

You said you could not get any more pages - I didn't have that problem.

Mislabeling: And then I looked at the items. So there are these MD-25 items that clearly say UA on the product description on them and also MD-25-F19 kids things that clearly have a UA label, so I'm really confused by your comment that these seem to be someone else's product. In fact, if you look at the tags in the pictures of the clothes, all the items have the UA logo. Now I didn't get 98 items on my search. Why ? I don't know ask Cal.

As for your comment about me being wrong on Fanatics, you simply don't understand that the schools have given an e commerce license to the Fanatics. The schools don't control the website. Fanatics has separate website that is puts on its own product and others that it buys from others companies. Prove it to yourself:

1) Buy something and see who the money goes to.
2) Go to the company's website and read it about what is does.
3) You can google "Fanatics" and learn about their website

If you don't like the number of UA items you need to complain to Fanatics.


What is amusing about all this is all the crybaby posters about Cal having less items now have to deal with the fact that Cal actually may sell more items than other schools. Cal just has a difficult website to navigate. The problem I see is that many of you are using the Fanatics site that doesn't support much in the way of UA items. That is a decision Fanatics makes, not UA. Realize Fanatics' main objective is to sell their own brand.

I will say this for what seems like the zenith time, go to the Cal Book Store site, the "Official Site of UC Berkeley", and you can get many more choices, including much more in the way of UA selection.

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I showed you there are 26 items. With screenshots. You claim there are more, offering little more than your usual condescension.

Retired lawyer, recovering and bored - a terrible combo.

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You keep getting it wrong. Your arrogance aside, it isn't that hard to get to Cal bookstore site and use it.

I'm a real estate guy who works a lot of hours.

Are you able to read a link?

Under Armour | Cal Student Storehttps://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu merchandise un...

So how many items again?

Can you read a label? Do I need to link the UA label for you?

Nice screenshos. Do I need to go the Fanatics website so see what they do, and link it for you?

Perhaps a little condescension is good for your arrogance?

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You are so far up your own a-s that you take great offense and their supposed arrogance (not just to me!) anytime someone doesn't bow to your believed greatness.

People in this thread disagree with you, and you are rude to them. I simply asked a question - because the Official Cal Athletics Store has only 21 UA items, and you were rude. I ignored the rudeness and looked where you're looking and saw 26 items; your response is yet more rude condescension. Go take your meds and chill out.

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The Official Store of UC Berkeley has 83 UA items and all you have to do see them is hit the link provided, once your finished spouting off names.. And you can buy other brands on the site as well, including the items you mislabeled as not being from UA.

It is amazing that such a wrong, old, infirm, retired, rude, ass hat, etc., could get you so worked-up.

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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Also, I'm curious what websites WIAF is referring to. I went to CalBears.com and as you can see there were only 21 UA items for sale.



Meanwhile, Wisconsin's official store had 171 UA items




And Northwestern's official store didn't show a total, but had 3+ pages of 48 each page for a total of 190 UA items.

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You do realize you went on something called Fanatics, rather than the Cal or Northwestern student stores internet sites? Just because something says it if official doesn't mean it is. If you go to Wikipedia you will see that Fanatics is an independent brand which has its own merchandise on its own site, AND which also has deals with UA, Nike, Adidas and the like to carry some of their stuff on its websites.

If you want to buy Cal stuff from Cal, you need to go to the student store website. Same with the other schools.

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No, I don't realize that. And I think you're wrong.

I went to https://calbears.com/ - that is the official Cal Athletics website, not "something called Fanatics," as you believe.



From the top menu, I clicked SHOP. From that drop down menu, I selected "Official Online Store - Shop.CalBears.com."



I then did a search and filtered by brand - UnderArmour only. Just like last week, 21 items.



What you think is a different website (Fanatics) is simply who Cal has farmed the task of running its online store out to - Fanatics. But this is the official Cal Athletics store. 21 UnderArmour items. The same goes for Wisconsin and Northwestern - I went to their Athletic Department websites and navigated from there to their official store. If you want to argue this is unofficial, take it up with the Athletic Department.

However, you did answer my question, - we were using different Cal affiliated stores. I now understand you are using https://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu.

I must admit I had no idea this website existed before you just clarified it was the student store website, so I did a google search to find it. Once there, I did a search on there for Under Armour. There were 98 results! Even more than the 64 you said you found. (Before anyone asks, I also searched flor "UnderArmour" and got zero results).



However, there are not 98 items on there.

First, a number of the items may be mislabeled. For example the top two results are those sweatshirts you see above. The first is titled "MENS UNDER ARMOR BIG COTTON FULL ZIP ARCHED BERK"




But it does not take long to see that this item is not an UnderArmour item. The logo on the tag was new to me, so I zoomed in.



"Gear for Sports." I googled it. Gear for Sports is a Hanes brand. Its website reads, "Gear for Sports sells its products under some of the most powerful brands in sportswear, including Under Armour, Champion and Gear for Sports."


This sweatshirt, though, is not UnderArmour but instead the last in that list - "Gear for Sports." So let's subtract that from the 98 results. Ok, the next two items are the same brand. The next ten items are clearly UA. Then there is a pair of pants that is clearly not UA. It is called "MD25-Youth Armour Fleece Pant Golden Bears" and seems to have fallen in these results because of the word Armour in its name. There is no UnderArmour logo to be seen.



Ok so we're at ten. The next nine items are UA. We're at 19. The next item is a pair of leggings that has no visible UA logo, but I can't prove it's not UA, so I'll give it to you. 20. The final six items on the page are UA. We're at 26.

But here's where things get interesting.

As you can see here, it says we are on Page 1 of 4 of the search results. That sounds about right. There were 30 items on this page (the 25+1 UA items and the 4 non UA items). And if there are 98 results, we'd end up with 4 pages.



But when I click next page, things fall apart.



That is an error message, showing we are now on Page 2 of 0, with 0 results for the search for Under Armour. Now, I don't know if there are really only 26 UA items and the website is just not working, but I also tried this from my phone and got the same result. So I can tell you that, right now, you can only find 20 UA items on the Cal Student Store website and 31 UA items on the Cal Athletics store website.

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Where to begin? It is not like a hid that I was going directly to the schools though their book store sites. I must have said that 10 times. I must have said if you want more items go to the Cal Book Store a lot.

Why don't you just google "Cal student store" and "under armor".

The first thing I noticed is that at the top of each page the book store website says:

"Official Website of UC Berkeley."

You also get this:

"Under Armour
83 Results"

And then pictures of 83 Under Armor items on three pages. The first page has 9 rows of three, next page 10 rows of 3, the third page 7 rows of 3 and one row of two. I'm going to let you do the math.

Why did I say first say 64 times, and not 83?

I had previously gone to the store and then put in Under Armor in the search box and got only 64 items. Why the difference? I don't know - ask Cal.

You said you could not get any more pages - I didn't have that problem.

Mislabeling: And then I looked at the items. So there are these MD-25 items that clearly say UA on the product description on them and also MD-25-F19 kids things that clearly have a UA label, so I'm really confused by your comment that these seem to be someone else's product. In fact, if you look at the tags in the pictures of the clothes, all the items have the UA logo. Now I didn't get 98 items on my search. Why ? I don't know ask Cal.

As for your comment about me being wrong on Fanatics, you simply don't understand that the schools have given an e commerce license to the Fanatics. The schools don't control the website. Fanatics has separate website that is puts on its own product and others that it buys from others companies. Prove it to yourself:

1) Buy something and see who the money goes to.
2) Go to the company's website and read it about what is does.
3) You can google "Fanatics" and learn about their website

If you don't like the number of UA items you need to complain to Fanatics.


What is amusing about all this is all the crybaby posters about Cal having less items now have to deal with the fact that Cal actually may sell more items than other schools. Cal just has a difficult website to navigate. The problem I see is that many of you are using the Fanatics site that doesn't support much in the way of UA items. That is a decision Fanatics makes, not UA. Realize Fanatics' main objective is to sell their own brand.

I will say this for what seems like the zenith time, go to the Cal Book Store site, the "Official Site of UC Berkeley", and you can get many more choices, including much more in the way of UA selection.

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I showed you there are 26 items. With screenshots. You claim there are more, offering little more than your usual condescension.

Retired lawyer, recovering and bored - a terrible combo.

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You keep getting it wrong. Your arrogance aside, it isn't that hard to get to Cal bookstore site and use it.

I'm a real estate guy who works a lot of hours.

Are you able to read a link?

Under Armour | Cal Student Storehttps://calstudentstore.berkeley.edu merchandise un...

So how many items again?

Can you read a label? Do I need to link the UA label for you?

Nice screenshos. Do I need to go the Fanatics website so see what they do, and link it for you?

Perhaps a little condescension is good for your arrogance?

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You are so far up your own a-s that you take great offense and their supposed arrogance (not just to me!) anytime someone doesn't bow to your believed greatness.

People in this thread disagree with you, and you are rude to them. I simply asked a question - because the Official Cal Athletics Store has only 21 UA items, and you were rude. I ignored the rudeness and looked where you're looking and saw 26 items; your response is yet more rude condescension. Go take your meds and chill out.

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The Official Store of UC Berkeley has 83 UA items and all you have to do see them is hit the link provided, once your finished spouting off names.. And you can buy other brands on the site as well, including the items you mislabeled as not being from UA.

It is amazing that such a wrong, old, infirm, retired, rude, ass hat, etc., could get you so worked-up.

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Wild that you think it's about the UA items.

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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maxer said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

The real issue is the SKU's and overall product types / selection are substandard compared to what UA offered us before litigation.

As I said earlier - try find a Cal specific color way for shoes today.

It was easy in 2018/2019. They no longer exist now.

Same with the good stuff / actual team gear. UA is providing the bare minimum.

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

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The issue that I was discussing with you was: based on the number of items you listed for Cal compared to Wisky and NW, did each of us consider those differences to be significant. I believe those differences are, and you appear to believe they are not. Again, we seem to have a difference of opinion.

I understand that you are now saying that the numbers you listed are not accurate because there are various other sources of Cal clothes. That does not change the question I originally ask because that was obviously based on the assumption that the figures you listed were accurate. However, I understand you may now find the question somewhat moot from a practical perspective because the actual number of Cal UA items seems be significantly higher than you thought. I do not know how the number of Cal UA items from all sources compares to the number of UA items from all sources for other schools, so I cannot say whether there is the same type of issue still.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the info about the other sources. I agree that it is a different issue whether people like the UA clothes for Cal. I do not like them. I am always up for getting more Cal clothes if the design is good or at least decent, but I do not find UA's designs to even be decent.

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

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The issue that I was discussing with you was: based on the number of items you listed for Cal compared to Wisky and NW, did each of us consider those differences to be significant. I believe those differences are, and you appear to believe they are not. Again, we seem to have a difference of opinion.

I understand that you are now saying that the numbers you listed are not accurate because there are various other sources of Cal clothes. That does not change the question I originally ask because that was obviously based on the assumption that the figures you listed were accurate. However, I understand you may now find the question somewhat moot from a practical perspective because the actual number of Cal UA items seems be significantly higher than you thought. I do not know how the number of Cal UA items from all sources compares to the number of UA items from all sources for other schools, so I cannot say whether there is the same type of issue still.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the info about the other sources. I agree that it is a different issue whether people like the UA clothes for Cal. I do not like them. I am always up for getting more Cal clothes if the design is good or at least decent, but I do not find UA's designs to even be decent.

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I agree with you and others that the options are limited
and those that exist are uninspired.

I agree with WIAF though that the money they are paying us is probably a lot more than we'd get on the open market at this time.

For my purposes, then, I think this is a good deal for Cal.

I was curious so I searched the UA store for Cal stuff, and go this

seriously, did a 12 year old design this?

GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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maxer said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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LunchTime said:

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

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The issue that I was discussing with you was: based on the number of items you listed for Cal compared to Wisky and NW, did each of us consider those differences to be significant. I believe those differences are, and you appear to believe they are not. Again, we seem to have a difference of opinion.

I understand that you are now saying that the numbers you listed are not accurate because there are various other sources of Cal clothes. That does not change the question I originally ask because that was obviously based on the assumption that the figures you listed were accurate. However, I understand you may now find the question somewhat moot from a practical perspective because the actual number of Cal UA items seems be significantly higher than you thought. I do not know how the number of Cal UA items from all sources compares to the number of UA items from all sources for other schools, so I cannot say whether there is the same type of issue still.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the info about the other sources. I agree that it is a different issue whether people like the UA clothes for Cal. I do not like them. I am always up for getting more Cal clothes if the design is good or at least decent, but I do not find UA's designs to even be decent.

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This is a pretty good summation. I found out there are multiple sites and that when you figure out the Cal official site, the Cal book store, there are essentially the same number of UA items as most schools, some a little more others less. I can't speak to the issue that UA had more stuff and then cut back on things like the shoes, that another poster mentioned. I guess my fall back position is that UA has kept its financial commitment to Cal, which is way more than Cal will get from a competitor, so that makes Cal and me happy. This thread forced me to go look at my Cal stuff and if you throw out the team gear stuff I get for being donor, the other stuff is fairly even split between UA, Nike (old stuff) and Champion.

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I was curious so I searched the UA store for Cal stuff, and go this

seriously, did a 12 year old design this?

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That design is very underwhelming.

Just got my Alumni association "California" magazine and, on the back cover was a "shop.calbears.com" ad featuring an UnderArmour polo. I couldn't help venturing to the site, after reading all this.

Had it not been for this thread, I wouldn't have guessed that this site is different than the "student store". ("a Fanatics Experience" in tiny font is at the top, if one looks closely) The things one learns on BI . . .

Had to go a few pages into the men's stuff before seeing anything from UnderArmour and a lot of it was flagged as "Almost Gone!", which seemed to mean that all sizes were not available and there wouldn't be more coming.

What's up with the trucker-style caps? To me, that says "cheap stuff for guys who drive trucks", or is that a Millennial thing now?

And darn you all, I bought something. I mean, I am a sucker for Cal stuff. Problem is, my Cal dresser drawer is full, as is allotted closet space. This thread found my Achilles Heel.

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

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The issue that I was discussing with you was: based on the number of items you listed for Cal compared to Wisky and NW, did each of us consider those differences to be significant. I believe those differences are, and you appear to believe they are not. Again, we seem to have a difference of opinion.

I understand that you are now saying that the numbers you listed are not accurate because there are various other sources of Cal clothes. That does not change the question I originally ask because that was obviously based on the assumption that the figures you listed were accurate. However, I understand you may now find the question somewhat moot from a practical perspective because the actual number of Cal UA items seems be significantly higher than you thought. I do not know how the number of Cal UA items from all sources compares to the number of UA items from all sources for other schools, so I cannot say whether there is the same type of issue still.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the info about the other sources. I agree that it is a different issue whether people like the UA clothes for Cal. I do not like them. I am always up for getting more Cal clothes if the design is good or at least decent, but I do not find UA's designs to even be decent.

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This is a pretty good summation. I found out there are multiple sites and that when you figure out the Cal official site, the Cal book store, there are essentially the same number of UA items as most schools, some a little more others less. I can't speak to the issue that UA had more stuff and then cut back on things like the shoes, that another poster mentioned. I guess my fall back position is that UA has kept its financial commitment to Cal, which is way more than Cal will get from a competitor, so that makes Cal and me happy. This thread forced me to go look at my Cal stuff and if you throw out the team gear stuff I get for being donor, the other stuff is fairly even split between UA, Nike (old stuff) and Champion.

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Fair enough. I can definitely understand why you ultimately are happy with the UA deal because Cal receives more money from UA than it would get from any other manufacturer. I think that is a reasonable position for you to take, especially given that Cal always has a shortage of money. It is too bad we have to make the tradeoff.

That is interesting about you looking through your Cal gear. As far as I can recall, I have not bought a single Cal UA item. It is really a shame. It would not cost UA that much to create something better for Cal, and it would more than cover its costs and get more exposure. Hope they can get back on good terms with each other.

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I really like Under Armor, but they really really did Cal dirty.

Not just with the pandemic money saving contract breaking, but the apparel they put out for fans sucked aside from a few items.

Nevada had better Under Armor apparel, and they were contracted with Adidas at the time. Nevada sells like 15 hats a year, I think.


Regardless, I see Cal as a top tier institution (athletically) with a large fanbase. Whoever we sign with, the contract should include support of gear for fans to buy.

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I'd assuming you mean UCLA was done dirty, whose contract was terminated. Cal's contract still is in place, and is being performed by both sides. Funny how these things take on a life all their own. Cal was under pressure from UC "to do something" due to UCLA, but that never really materialized.

Im not sure I see Cal as a top tier athletic institution under present circumstances. One of just a few P5 programs not to make post-season in football or either gender basketball, and its overall standings in the Director's Cup sinking. Poor fan attendance and poor TV ratings. And in a conference that has problems. Don't expect huge dollars from the next contract. Sometime reality hurts.

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I believe Cal and UA negotiated a bad settlement. I would consider us still "done dirty". Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

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A negotiated settlement indicates two things that did not happen. There were no negotiations, and there was no settlement, unless you want to invent some facts. UA's attorney asked for something based on the premise that their contract with Cal was the same as that of UCLA. Cal said here is your agreement, and the answer is no. UA then agreed to abide by the terms of the existing agreement. You sound a lot like a guy looking for things to be offended by if you think that is being done dirty.

Then you added: Not to mention they are basically not producing fan gear at all.

So I did a quick test. I went on the Cal internet bookstore site and found 64 UA clothing items for sale. That is not at all. Then I went to the list of UA teams and went to the two FBS schools that I thought would be closest to Cal: Northwestern and Wisconsin.

Northwestern's internet book store has 104 internet UA items.
Wisconsin internet book store has has 84 internet UA items.

You also sound like a guy who may be overstating a little bit.

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I am not looking to get in the middle of your disagreement, but I am just curious about the numbers you listed. Those differences in the number of items (about 63% and 31%) seem pretty significant to me. Do those differences not seem significant to you?

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That wasn't the issue. That Wisky has 20 more clothing units than Cal really doesn't rise to the level of "basically not producing fan gear at all." Does that sound like that to you? Does Whisky feel they are "basically not producing fan gear at all" because Northwestern got 20 more clothing units? I doubt it. I suppose if Cal was selling more units of any manufacturer, they might care about the percentages. Hopefully with some more wins it might matter in the future.

Seems to me Killa22 and CBLA may have the better argument. OTOH, UA has to know that UC will never allow Cal to contract with UA again after what they did to UCLA, so why make new products that will become excess inventory? Does the agreement require UA to make a certain number of new products?

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Just to be clear, I did not say UA was basically not making fan gear at all for Cal and was not getting into your disagreement with the others. I was asking if the difference in the number of items that UA makes for Wisky and NW seems significant to you. To me, 31% and 63% absolutely do seem significant. (Candidly I was pretty surprised by those numbers.) Yes, those schools having 20 items and 40 items more than Cal seems significant. I am not sure how those differences do not seem significant to you, but it sounds like they do not.

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yes, but I was responding to a poster that did say that, so that was why I responded the way I did.

But how do you then respond to Coastal Carolina having less items? Bottom line is I guess I simply don't see 20 o 40 clothing items being significant in view of the money Cal receives. You can buy other brands from the Cal student store if you need more Cal clothes.

Edit: or go to the Fanatics website and buy even more gear there.

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Oh ok. Your comment was directed to me specifically but you were actually responding to a different poster's comment even though my post started by saying I was not looking to get into the middle of your disagreement. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but that was unclear and a bit odd given the way I started my post. I am not sure why I, as a Cal fan, would be concerned with Coastal Carolina having fewer items. Yes, I think we have a difference of opinion on the significance of the difference of items. (It sounds like the number of items is unclear from your exchanges with others.) I understand you also believe the deal with UA is still overall a good deal for Cal because UA has to pay an amount of money that you think exceeds what another manufacturer would pay Cal.

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There are several ways to buy Cal gear that has led to confusion and IMO led to angst:

One is the on-line Cal student store, which seems, if you can navigate their site, to have a somewhat full compliment of UA clothes, at least when you make a comparison to what other UA school store sites provide. You can also buy on the site other brands such as Champion, that some of us think make good stuff.

Another is the virtual site run by Fanatics, which has a license with many school athletic departments, including Cal. Fanatics sells its own stuff as well as stuff by other makers that buys from, such as UA, Nike, etc. Fanatics does not have a large selection of UA units, and that is between Fanatics and UA. But because many people are only aware of the Fanatics site, they unfortunately concluded that UA wasn't supporting Cal with clothes.

Another way to buy Cal gear is at events. A lot of clothes are sold in the Cal student store and at the event during football and basketball games, With C-19 and because Cal basketball and football are not doing great, there has been limited attendance. Most gear at events and in the store is UA, but there are other brands also for sale. There are plenty of new UA clothes that were on sale this last football season.

I think the deal with UA is good because they provide more money that is currently market. UCLA had a more lucrative deal than Cal with UA and found that it took a huge hit going with Nike (and has sued UA). But as other posters have said here, the next contract, Cal will get less money.

Some of the assertions about UA simply not providing clothes I presume was based on solely looking at the Fanatics site, but the claims do not appear to be accurate in you go the student store site or attend games. That said, these fans have a point that Cal IA is moving fans to a website that carries a limited number of UA items..

There are those that simply don't like UA clothes and some posters that said they do. You guys can battle that out.

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The issue that I was discussing with you was: based on the number of items you listed for Cal compared to Wisky and NW, did each of us consider those differences to be significant. I believe those differences are, and you appear to believe they are not. Again, we seem to have a difference of opinion.

I understand that you are now saying that the numbers you listed are not accurate because there are various other sources of Cal clothes. That does not change the question I originally ask because that was obviously based on the assumption that the figures you listed were accurate. However, I understand you may now find the question somewhat moot from a practical perspective because the actual number of Cal UA items seems be significantly higher than you thought. I do not know how the number of Cal UA items from all sources compares to the number of UA items from all sources for other schools, so I cannot say whether there is the same type of issue still.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the info about the other sources. I agree that it is a different issue whether people like the UA clothes for Cal. I do not like them. I am always up for getting more Cal clothes if the design is good or at least decent, but I do not find UA's designs to even be decent.

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I agree with you and others that the options are limited
and those that exist are uninspired.

I agree with WIAF though that the money they are paying us is probably a lot more than we'd get on the open market at this time.

For my purposes, then, I think this is a good deal for Cal.

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I think WIAF's position is reasonable. Cal needs the money. I am less familiar with how much we could get from others, but it makes sense that UA is paying us more than Nike and that was probably a big factor in us making the change to UA. It is a shame that we have to make the tradeoff between more money for Cal and less gear for fans, but it sounds like that is the way it is at the moment.