https://theathletic.com/news/miami-commit-jaden-rashada/HV7yEX6NqMnM/?amp=1

Reminds me of DJ Williams.

Miami is pretty loaded at QB. Maybe he comes back to Cal later as a transfer?

Getting a QB that can take us to the next level / Musgrave producing a good offense are the keys to Cal moving out of the lower rung of the PAC. Hopefully one of the guys on the roster now, plus someone coming in next year…

So this dude got $$$$.

UPDATE: One of 2023's top HS QBs, Jaden Rashada, is set to earn $9.5M in an NIL deal with Miami. Per an ON3 report, Rashada also turned down an $11M offer from Florida's Gator Collective. pic.twitter.com/glPbifOTC4

— Spark College Football (@SparkCFB) June 27, 2022

Then we were never a serious contender...

DWM81 said:

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Then we were never a serious contender...

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These dollar amounts are ridiculous.

$11M?!

That is what the first pick of the 2nd round in the NFL draft might expect.

Laundry for $?

dimitrig said:

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DWM81 said:

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Then we were never a serious contender...

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These dollar amounts are ridiculous.

$11M?!

That is what the first pick of the 2nd round in the NFL draft might expect.

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Seems like this won't settle down without some controversy (eg lawsuits).

DWM81 said:

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Then we were never a serious contender...

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Agreed, not in the end. When he thought NIL was $thousands he said it was all about getting to the NFL and NFL money, but now that it is in the $millions….

However, the QB room at Miami is crowded with 4 star QBs, so maybe down the road.

This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive. Yup

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Yup.

And especially with football being such a brutal sport. This isn't that complicated - earn as much as quickly as one possibly can before a random awkward tackle tears out your ACL.

I believe there are ways but I don't think publicly it should be shared.

going4roses said:

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I believe there are ways but I don't think publicly it should be shared.

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I will shoot myself in the arm if it ever comes out that Knowlton is exploring any of the unpublished ways.

College sports as we remember them are dead. Time to bulldoze the stadiums and arenas and put up more student housing and classrooms and admit that sports at colleges should just be over. Let the pro sports leagues take over the leagues formerly known as college and amateur and run them as the businesses they are.

parentswerebears said:

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College sports as we remember them are dead. Time to bulldoze the stadiums and arenas and put up more student housing and classrooms and admit that sports at colleges should just be over. Let the pro sports leagues take over the leagues formerly known as college and amateur and run them as the businesses they are.

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I think I've mentioned this before but when I was a kid I thought that College sports was just branding and that they were paid pro athletes sponsored by the schools. It didn't occur to me until I was a bit older that they were actually students. Then when I was a bit older I realized they weren't always actually students and that in many ways I was right when I was a kid.

Now, we're basically back to what I use to think (which might not be that different in practice from what it used to be like except now it's legal).

If I were a top High School QB, I'd go for the largest NIL deal I could get in a BLUE state. Who the hell wants to get an Alabama co-ed pregnant and be forced to be a dad. There goes half your money and then some. Not a political statement, just keeping it real.

How does this NIL work? Do they get all $9M in the first year? Or is it spread out over 3 years? They lose out if they transfer right?

going4roses said:

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I believe there are ways but I don't think publicly it should be shared.

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Sign the kid to a percentage of the Athletic Dept. revenue.

Lincoln Riley said that the reason he went to USC was because even when Oklahoma made it to the College Football Playoffs, they would only have the fourth best roster. So the college football elites and their backers will now spend whatever it takes in NIL to have the best players, with no limits on this financial competition.

Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

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Sure but there is no collusion in college football. Don't be surprised if we see a third year sophomore Heisman Trophy winning QB get $30M offers to play additional years.

BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

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As long as the NCAA enforces roster limits (scholarship limits are now meaningless), the fact players stay longer at the powerhouses paying big NIL will mean those schools have fewer slots open for new recruits. It also means the backups will be increasingly frustrated with lack of playing time and look to transfer.

Cal will be one of many schools who can best survive in the new environment through the Transfer Portal. To do so we need 2 things: 1) A lenient academic transfer admission policy for student athletes and 2) schemes, especially offensive schemes, that are easy to pick up and do not require "years in the system" memorizing a massive playbook.

Unit2Sucks said:

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BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

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Sure but there is no collusion in college football. Don't be surprised if we see a third year sophomore Heisman Trophy winning QB get $30M offers to play additional years.

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I will admit that my understanding of NIL is virtually nil, but...

1. How is it possible for a school to pay these guys that much? Rashada is unproven, so they will need to cough up for 1-2 of their other QBs, too, right? And then, what with football being the ultimate team sport, they will also need to cough up for a bunch of other players at other positions... right? Maybe not 9 mill, but serious money.

We're talking on this thread about guys maybe staying in college rather than turning pro, for the $$$, but ultimately, isn't there more money in the NFL than there is in college? Or will enough rich donors step up, when given a chance to directly buy players for their school?

2. So, right now, we are at blatant pay-to-play / pay-to-come-to-our-school situation, correct? And each player, Rashada included, is basically on a one-year deal, right? (The 9 mill is for four years, but it is not guaranteed money, correct?)

Aren't the off-seasons going to be ABSOLUTELY INSANE, as the rich schools shuffle their rosters? Good news is that a school like Cal might benefit from the trickle-down.


I can't see it continuing like this for too long. I mean, how long did the Golden Age of the Wild West last?

Big C said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

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Sure but there is no collusion in college football. Don't be surprised if we see a third year sophomore Heisman Trophy winning QB get $30M offers to play additional years.

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I will admit that my understanding of NIL is virtually nil, but...

1. How is it possible for a school to pay these guys that much? Rashada is unproven, so they will need to cough up for 1-2 of their other QBs, too, right? And then, what with football being the ultimate team sport, they will also need to cough up for a bunch of other players at other positions... right? Maybe not 9 mill, but serious money.

We're talking on this thread about guys maybe staying in college rather than turning pro, for the $$$, but ultimately, isn't there more money in the NFL than there is in college? Or will enough rich donors step up, when given a chance to directly buy players for their school?

2. So, right now, we are at blatant pay-to-play / pay-to-come-to-our-school situation, correct? And each player, Rashada included, is basically on a one-year deal, right? (The 9 mill is for four years, but it is not guaranteed money, correct?)

Aren't the off-seasons going to be ABSOLUTELY INSANE, as the rich schools shuffle their rosters? Good news is that a school like Cal might benefit from the trickle-down.


I can't see it continuing like this for too long. I mean, how long did the Golden Age of the Wild West last?

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Yeah, this is booster money. They may use the player's NIL in advertising. If they actually get a return on that investment it is sustainable as a business proposition. If not, it is similar to a "donation" to the AD. If they are using the player's NIL in advertising they can even write off the NIL payment as a business expense.

It will take a while for the market to get established and stabilize, so it could be a bumpy road along the way.

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Big C said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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BearSD said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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This is 9.5 million more reasons Cal can't compete in the NIL era. The game has changed and I don't think we are just a few tweaks away from being competitive.

One thing that is becoming apparent is that players are less likely to leave early for the NFL because they can make more money in college. That I suppose will free up some talent, but still unlikely to benefit Cal net net because it will just make colleges with real talent that much more competitive.

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If NIL leads to fewer football players leaving early, it won't have much of an impact for Cal and other teams in similar situations. The NFL only permits players to enter the draft early if they are 3 years past their high school graduating class, so leaving early or not is only a one-season difference in football.

Also, given the injury risks, a player who will get drafted in the first 3 rounds ought to leave college football a year early anyway, because NFL money > NIL money.

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Sure but there is no collusion in college football. Don't be surprised if we see a third year sophomore Heisman Trophy winning QB get $30M offers to play additional years.

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I will admit that my understanding of NIL is virtually nil, but...

1. How is it possible for a school to pay these guys that much? Rashada is unproven, so they will need to cough up for 1-2 of their other QBs, too, right? And then, what with football being the ultimate team sport, they will also need to cough up for a bunch of other players at other positions... right? Maybe not 9 mill, but serious money.

We're talking on this thread about guys maybe staying in college rather than turning pro, for the $$$, but ultimately, isn't there more money in the NFL than there is in college? Or will enough rich donors step up, when given a chance to directly buy players for their school?

2. So, right now, we are at blatant pay-to-play / pay-to-come-to-our-school situation, correct? And each player, Rashada included, is basically on a one-year deal, right? (The 9 mill is for four years, but it is not guaranteed money, correct?)

Aren't the off-seasons going to be ABSOLUTELY INSANE, as the rich schools shuffle their rosters? Good news is that a school like Cal might benefit from the trickle-down.


I can't see it continuing like this for too long. I mean, how long did the Golden Age of the Wild West last?

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Yeah, this is booster money. They may use the player's NIL in advertising. If they actually get a return on that investment it is sustainable as a business proposition. If not, it is similar to a "donation" to the AD. If they are using the player's NIL in advertising they can even write off the NIL payment as a business expense.

It will take a while for the market to get established and stabilize, so it could be a bumpy road along the way.

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Exactly. Look at Lamar Jackson - he won the Heisman in 2016 as a sophomore and stayed for his junior year at Louisville. If that had been last year, Jackson would have hit the transfer portal and gotten a $30M deal (maybe more) to join the highest bidder.

These numbers are bigger by orders of magnitude than I ever expected. It's truly boggling my mind.

When Nick Saban was whining about Jimbo Fisher's $ vault, I now understand how much $ they are talking about.

We had zero shot at a National Championship pre-NIL, but now we have a negative % shot post-NIL. Crazy times!

75bear said:

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These numbers are bigger by orders of magnitude than I ever expected. It's truly boggling my mind.

When Nick Saban was whining about Jimbo Fisher's $ vault, I now understand how much $ they are talking about.

We had zero shot at a National Championship pre-NIL, but now we have a negative % shot post-NIL. Crazy times!

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You know these numbers were there all along, but now it is out in the open and the players are benefiting directly from it.

We haven't had a chance in a long time.

I thought I was paying attention but can someone summarize again what is Cal's approach or program for athletics/football in regard to NIL?

75bear said:

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These numbers are bigger by orders of magnitude than I ever expected. It's truly boggling my mind.

When Nick Saban was whining about Jimbo Fisher's $ vault, I now understand how much $ they are talking about.

We had zero shot at a National Championship pre-NIL, but now we have a negative % shot post-NIL. Crazy times!

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Nonsense. Let's you and I combine forces and each chip in a couple hundred mill. We'll be back in the game! Rose Bowl!!!

Signed.
- retired teacher

This is crazy, crazy, crazy.

Go Bears!

graguna said:

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If I were a top High School QB, I'd go for the largest NIL deal I could get in a BLUE state. Who the hell wants to get an Alabama co-ed pregnant and be forced to be a dad. There goes half your money and then some. Not a political statement, just keeping it real.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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graguna said:

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If I were a top High School QB, I'd go for the largest NIL deal I could get in a BLUE state. Who the hell wants to get an Alabama co-ed pregnant and be forced to be a dad. There goes half your money and then some. Not a political statement, just keeping it real.

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Good comments I hadn't considered these particular ramifications of the current USSC ruling
But I am not sure how many Red States have laws that require the natural father to provide support of the unwed mother or the child born even if it is the father's.
The ruling requires the mother to give birth. But imposes no obligation on the father to keep the child alive once the child is born. That's all on the woman.

MilleniaBear said:

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How does this NIL work? Do they get all $9M in the first year? Or is it spread out over 3 years? They lose out if they transfer right?

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All very good questions.

What happens if the kid gets hurt? Is there insurance coverage?

What happens if the kid flunks out of school? Will there be a requirement that the kid maintain his academic standing?

What happens if the kid fails to perform and is not a starter? Will there be certain performance requirements? (at least with an NFL recruit you know he was a star at the college level.)

There is no real value to some kid's NIL if he isn't playing

Every contract is an independent exchange of money for services. This is why the kids get lawyers/representative groups. Sure, some will get hosed, but that's business.

GivemTheAxe said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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How does this NIL work? Do they get all $9M in the first year? Or is it spread out over 3 years? They lose out if they transfer right?

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All very good questions.

What happens if the kid gets hurt? Is there insurance coverage?

What happens if the kid flunks out of school? Will there be a requirement that the kid maintain his academic standing?

What happens if the kid fails to perform and is not a starter? Will there be certain performance requirements? (at least with an NFL recruit you know he was a star at the college level.)

There is no real value to some kid's NIL if he isn't playing

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I think the kids will get treated better by NIL groups than by the NFL. Because there is no college draft or legal collusion, the kids have all the power now. If a school's NIL group develops a reputation for hosing kids, they will have a harder time attracting talent. Not an issue in the NFL.

Unit2Sucks said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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How does this NIL work? Do they get all $9M in the first year? Or is it spread out over 3 years? They lose out if they transfer right?

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All very good questions.

What happens if the kid gets hurt? Is there insurance coverage?

What happens if the kid flunks out of school? Will there be a requirement that the kid maintain his academic standing?

What happens if the kid fails to perform and is not a starter? Will there be certain performance requirements? (at least with an NFL recruit you know he was a star at the college level.)

There is no real value to some kid's NIL if he isn't playing

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I think the kids will get treated better by NIL groups than by the NFL. Because there is no college draft or legal collusion, the kids have all the power now. If a school's NIL group develops a reputation for hosing kids, they will have a harder time attracting talent. Not an issue in the NFL.

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They'll think they have all the power. Instead, it'll just be different people who have it.

And, as I've asked before, what happens when they don't pan out?

Unit2Sucks said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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How does this NIL work? Do they get all $9M in the first year? Or is it spread out over 3 years? They lose out if they transfer right?

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All very good questions.

What happens if the kid gets hurt? Is there insurance coverage?

What happens if the kid flunks out of school? Will there be a requirement that the kid maintain his academic standing?

What happens if the kid fails to perform and is not a starter? Will there be certain performance requirements? (at least with an NFL recruit you know he was a star at the college level.)

There is no real value to some kid's NIL if he isn't playing

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I think the kids will get treated better by NIL groups than by the NFL. Because there is no college draft or legal collusion, the kids have all the power now. If a school's NIL group develops a reputation for hosing kids, they will have a harder time attracting talent. Not an issue in the NFL.

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Isn't the figure we're talking about (9 million for Rashada) stretched out over four years, renewable every year?

So basically, the players are free agents every year? The schools' NIL groups aren't going to want to "renew" if the player is underperforming, are they? They will want to cut ties and move on to roll the dice on the next 5-star.

Every spring and summer is going to be insane, with all the movement. This hasn't been thought out too well (duh).