If the payout is $100mm then there is no way in hell that we can join without taking away from the other members. Not even close.

So under what circumstance does it makes sense to add Cal (or even Stanford as a pair)? I can't think of any team they would want included that could move the needle that much.

So those who are more optimistic than me - why are we even remotely thinking this is a possibility? Honest question - not trying to spew more negativity.

I doubt giving UCLA/USC some west coast team's to play is enough a reason to cut the paychecks for all the other members teams.

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If the payout is $100mm then there is no way in hell that we can join without taking away from the other members. Not even close.

So under what circumstance does it makes sense to add Cal (or even Stanford as a pair)? I can't think of any team they would want included that could move the needle that much.

So those who are more optimistic than me - why are we even remotely thinking this is a possibility? Honest question - not trying to spew more negativity.

I doubt giving UCLA/USC some west coast team's to play is enough a reason to cut the paychecks for all the other members teams.

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More teams = more games.

More games in a $$$ market = more $$$.

Stanford was supposedly offering to go into a B1G like Rutgers, Nebraska and Maryland did, taking a smaller slice of the revenue pie.

One of the reasons given to the pass on Oregon and Washington was their inclusion would mean less money per school out of the media rights pie. Notre Dame actually increases each B1G team's share.

I've read 2 articles jus today about the Big 10 looking to add Cal and Stanford. Also Eisen talking about the same on his show.

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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I am sure more of us than not feel this way, but even though Ohio State took over our place in 2013 and blew us out, it was great to see our house loud, packed, and playing against a good opponent, we just need to turn the tables on the competition, it would be amazing to see Michigan roll into Berkeley soon, records and teams be damned.

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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You must part of the B1G leadership? Great idea!

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Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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You must part of the B1G leadership? Great idea!

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The. Ingest part of the big 10 desire for Cal and Stanford is the Bay Area market, where the Big 10 network would increase in value by about 1.20 per household each month - which works out to a fair bit of coin even with cord cutting. Plus new ad markets, etc. probably not worth all that much but if you get playoff money for 4 pods as well in a 20 - 24 team conference then that may also help,

Even with the additional games and revenue that come with adding more teams, I don't think the math checks out with Cal and Stanford from the Big 10's perspective. I hope I'm wrong. However, tv networks are constantly looking for content and west coast teams offer the ability to broadcast during late night time slots for east coast viewers. A Michigan at Cal game during a typical Pac-12 afterdark slot would be more appealing for the rest of the country than showing WNBA reruns. I'm sure Michigan wouldn't like that so much but heck, the weather in Strawberry Canyon during late fall is preferable to Ann Arbor's. Add Cal and Furd to the conference and every B1G may be able to take a trip to California once a year.

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Even with the additional games and revenue that come with adding more teams, I don't think the math checks out with Cal and Stanford from the Big 10's perspective. I hope I'm wrong. However, tv networks are constantly looking for content and west coast teams offer the ability to broadcast during late night time slots for east coast viewers. A Michigan at Cal game during a typical Pac-12 afterdark slot would be more appealing for the rest of the country than showing WNBA reruns. I'm sure Michigan wouldn't like that so much but heck, the weather in Strawberry Canyon during late fall is preferable to Ann Arbor's. Add Cal and Furd to the conference and every B1G may be able to take a trip to California once a year.

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If 6 teams on the Pacific pod, each would have 5 conference games within the pod and 4 outside the pod, which means they host 2 games each or California trips for 8 teams.

If only Cal and Stanford, that is 3 games within the pod and 6 outside the pod, which is 3 per team or California trips for 12 teams.

It is possible that with conference expansion, the number of conference games would increase.

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Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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You must part of the B1G leadership? Great idea!

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It's what Dennis Dodd reported yesterday and he is a more trustworthy person when it comes to sources. Dodd also said that the announcement could come as early as August 15 and the estimate was the 4 schools would get $250M to split, which comes out to $62.5M per year per school.

I admit, I want it to be true because as long as Cal plays Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, and UCLA every year, I will be engaged and I think so will most Cal fans. I also think it'd be terrible if the UC system had to absorb the CMS debt; that money should come from athletic revenue.

But it sounds plausible because it aligns with what Kevin Warren said that the B1G would first invite teams who were fits (which he defined in priority order as academics, athletic strength, alumni base, fan base, and progressive leadership) and that the money was the last thing on his mind because they can always figure out how to make it work. Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington obviously meet his standard for fit and negotiating the TV money in this way seems to follow Warren's then make the money work comment.

Warren also said the B1G would be taking all 4 Saturday time slots; i.e. adding the Pac-12 after dark slot. But the only way to do that is for USC and UCLA alternate home game weekends and play every single home game at night. I'm betting they would never be OK with that. So the B1G must already have plans to invite more West Coast teams.

And since inviting the teams in this way costs the current Big Ten members precisely $0, and it will get the CA governor off their backs and solve their travel logistical nightmare, I cannot think of a single reason not to do it other than they didn't think of it. Eternally hopeful I guess.

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Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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You must part of the B1G leadership? Great idea!

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It's what Dennis Dodd reported yesterday and he is a more trustworthy person when it comes to sources. Dodd also said that the announcement could come as early as August 15 and the estimate was the 4 schools would get $250M to split, which comes out to $62.5M per year per school.

I admit, I want it to be true because as long as Cal plays Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, and UCLA every year, I will be engaged and I think so will most Cal fans. I also think it'd be terrible if the UC system had to absorb the CMS debt; that money should come from athletic revenue.

But it sounds plausible because it aligns with what Kevin Warren said that the B1G would first invite teams who were fits (which he defined in priority order as academics, athletic strength, alumni base, fan base, and progressive leadership) and that the money was the last thing on his mind because they can always figure out how to make it work. Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington obviously meet his standard for fit and negotiating the TV money in this way seems to follow Warren's then make the money work comment.

Warren also said the B1G would be taking all 4 Saturday time slots; i.e. adding the Pac-12 after dark slot. But the only way to do that is for USC and UCLA alternate home game weekends and play every single home game at night. I'm betting they would never be OK with that. So the B1G must already have plans to invite more West Coast teams.

And since inviting the teams in this way costs the current Big Ten members precisely $0, and it will get the CA governor off their backs and solve their travel logistical nightmare, I cannot think of a single reason not to do it other than they didn't think of it. Eternally hopeful I guess.

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While it would "solve" the California problem of pulling one state school out but not the other, that same problem would then come up for Oregon and Washington, both of whose governors have already mentioned opposing it happening to their state schools...

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

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Yup. When people think the B1G would be so much tougher than the Pac-12 they are only thinking of the top-tier teams (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.). There's no reason to think we can't be competitive against Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Over the last 20 years, our record against the Big Ten has been more than competitive.

3-0 vs. Illinois
2-0 vs. Michigan State
2-0 vs. Minnesota
1-1 vs. Maryland (though they were in the ACC at the time)
1-1 vs. Northwestern
0-2 vs. Ohio State

I don't think the new conference would change much about our W-L record.

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berserkeley said:

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Apparently, you solve the dilution problem by signing a TV for just the current 16 teams and then invite the other teams you want, negotiate more money from TV, and have them just split the new money. And since the new teams are worth way more as a group in the Big Ten than they are in the Pac-12, they take the deal.

If they need travel partners for USC and UCLA this is a pretty ingenious way to get it. Gets you the schools you want at the exact price you want to pay for them.

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You must part of the B1G leadership? Great idea!

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It's what Dennis Dodd reported yesterday and he is a more trustworthy person when it comes to sources. Dodd also said that the announcement could come as early as August 15 and the estimate was the 4 schools would get $250M to split, which comes out to $62.5M per year per school.

I admit, I want it to be true because as long as Cal plays Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, and UCLA every year, I will be engaged and I think so will most Cal fans. I also think it'd be terrible if the UC system had to absorb the CMS debt; that money should come from athletic revenue.

But it sounds plausible because it aligns with what Kevin Warren said that the B1G would first invite teams who were fits (which he defined in priority order as academics, athletic strength, alumni base, fan base, and progressive leadership) and that the money was the last thing on his mind because they can always figure out how to make it work. Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington obviously meet his standard for fit and negotiating the TV money in this way seems to follow Warren's then make the money work comment.

Warren also said the B1G would be taking all 4 Saturday time slots; i.e. adding the Pac-12 after dark slot. But the only way to do that is for USC and UCLA alternate home game weekends and play every single home game at night. I'm betting they would never be OK with that. So the B1G must already have plans to invite more West Coast teams.

And since inviting the teams in this way costs the current Big Ten members precisely $0, and it will get the CA governor off their backs and solve their travel logistical nightmare, I cannot think of a single reason not to do it other than they didn't think of it. Eternally hopeful I guess.

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While it would "solve" the California problem of pulling one state school out but not the other, that same problem would then come up for Oregon and Washington, both of whose governors have already mentioned opposing it happening to their state schools...

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A lot more risk for Oregon and Washington governments to block a move if the Big Ten is taking Cal and Stanford. Because at that point the p12 would really be done so there is zero fallback conference and the Big Ten could easily find a replacement, especially if paying a reduced share.

Contrast that with forcing UCLA to stay (never going to happen IMO) which would increase the value of the next Pac 12 TV deal and actually help stability (but likely only for one TV contract iteration). UCLA staying + SDSU to enhance SoCal presence wouldn't be a complete dogcrap conference, and be worth a good amount more than the B12.

I would add that OSU and WSU are not "fits" for the B1G so there's no legitimate chance the B1G would take them they way there is for the B1G to take Cal. I also don't think WSU and OSU have anything like Cal's $500M CMS debt their states would have to absorb to motivate their states to play hardball. And the B1G needs UCLA to control the LA market whereas they merely would like to have UO and UW. Plus, UCLA would be advocating on behalf of Cal from within the B1G whereas UW and UO are only advocating for themselves.

And I am willing to bet that if UW, UO, Cal, and Furd are worth $250M then UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, and Furd are also worth $250M. In other words, none of the 4 potential invitees want WSU and OSU because they'll just dilute the pot.

IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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Well, could be 3 pods of 7 teams (add N to west). 'Course, even # conf playoff? 24 is best.

We have to hope that notredame stays put and not make a move where they pair them with Stanford. Thats our best shot of getting in.

Reduced payout at 62.5MM for a while (i am hoping its not forever) would be totally acceptable and allows us to turn our ship around (hope springs eternal) until the next round of negotiation

if they get to 20 with Cal , Stanford, OU and UW, they can put the 6 of us together, and rotate the pods in such a way where the rose bowl determine the eventual B1G champion, that would be incredible

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

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Yup. When people think the B1G would be so much tougher than the Pac-12 they are only thinking of the top-tier teams (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.). There's no reason to think we can't be competitive against Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Over the last 20 years, our record against the Big Ten has been more than competitive.

3-0 vs. Illinois
2-0 vs. Michigan State
2-0 vs. Minnesota
1-1 vs. Maryland (though they were in the ACC at the time)
1-1 vs. Northwestern
0-2 vs. Ohio State

I don't think the new conference would change much about our W-L record.

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9-2 vs the B1G without Ohio St. ain't too shabby and everyone in their conference loses to tOSU theses days anyways. And the Northwestern loss was Jared Goff's first game?

I agree, I think our conference record in the B1G would be similar to our recent performance in the P12 and we wouldn't have to play tOSU every year.

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

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Yup. When people think the B1G would be so much tougher than the Pac-12 they are only thinking of the top-tier teams (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.). There's no reason to think we can't be competitive against Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Over the last 20 years, our record against the Big Ten has been more than competitive.

3-0 vs. Illinois
2-0 vs. Michigan State
2-0 vs. Minnesota
1-1 vs. Maryland (though they were in the ACC at the time)
1-1 vs. Northwestern
0-2 vs. Ohio State

I don't think the new conference would change much about our W-L record.

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9-2 vs the B1G without Ohio St. ain't too shabby and everyone in their conference loses to tOSU theses days anyways. And the Northwestern loss was Jared Goff's first game?

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The Northwestern loss was one of many in our terrible 1-11 season in the first year with Dykes. And it was actually more competitive than most of the losses.

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BigDaddy said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them. The B1G is not expanding again without the Irish.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

BigDaddy said:

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BigDaddy said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try. The B1G Commissioner made it clear that West Coast additions are a separate issue. A decision there will likely be made before Notre Dame makes a final decision.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal? Again, even if Notre Dame comes in, Notre Dame is not on the West Coast. The Michigan basketball team is not flying out to the Bay Area and only playing one game, then flying back to Indiana and playing Notre Dame in the same weekend.

In the scenario that Notre Dame goes to the B1G the run on the ACC will be on too and the B1G will not want to lose out to the SEC. Both conferences go to 24. 6 team pods. Notre Dame cannot be part of a West Coast pod.

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BigDaddy said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal?

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Yes, I think they will.

Notre Dame is getting one spot. There are 3 spots left for some combo of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. I'm not confident that Cal is jumping the line ahead of UO, UDub or Stanford.

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

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Yup. When people think the B1G would be so much tougher than the Pac-12 they are only thinking of the top-tier teams (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.). There's no reason to think we can't be competitive against Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Over the last 20 years, our record against the Big Ten has been more than competitive.

3-0 vs. Illinois
2-0 vs. Michigan State
2-0 vs. Minnesota
1-1 vs. Maryland (though they were in the ACC at the time)
1-1 vs. Northwestern
0-2 vs. Ohio State

I don't think the new conference would change much about our W-L record.

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9-2 vs the B1G without Ohio St. ain't too shabby and everyone in their conference loses to tOSU theses days anyways. And the Northwestern loss was Jared Goff's first game?

I agree, I think our conference record in the B1G would be similar to our recent performance in the P12 and we wouldn't have to play tOSU every year.

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If big10 officials didn't rig games for Ohio state, calling back touchdowns with phantom "holding" calls, we'd have beaten them in the horseshoe, too.

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BigDaddy said:

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BigDaddy said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal?

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Yes, I think they will.

Notre Dame is getting one spot. There are 3 spots left for some combo of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. I'm not confident that Cal is jumping the line ahead of UO, UDub or Stanford.

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You seem very certain they are going to exactly 20 schools. Why?

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BearForce2 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Most teams in the big 10 think we would be an easy win and would love to visit the bay.

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The top 1/3 of their conference is strong but the bottom 1/3 is nothing to fear. I think we would split the middle 1/3 home and road. We would have more trouble in a WC pod than in a mix of cross pod games.

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Yup. When people think the B1G would be so much tougher than the Pac-12 they are only thinking of the top-tier teams (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.). There's no reason to think we can't be competitive against Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Over the last 20 years, our record against the Big Ten has been more than competitive.

3-0 vs. Illinois
2-0 vs. Michigan State
2-0 vs. Minnesota
1-1 vs. Maryland (though they were in the ACC at the time)
1-1 vs. Northwestern
0-2 vs. Ohio State

I don't think the new conference would change much about our W-L record.

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9-2 vs the B1G without Ohio St. ain't too shabby and everyone in their conference loses to tOSU theses days anyways. And the Northwestern loss was Jared Goff's first game?

I agree, I think our conference record in the B1G would be similar to our recent performance in the P12 and we wouldn't have to play tOSU every year.

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If big10 officials didn't rig games for Ohio state, calling back touchdowns with phantom "holding" calls, we'd have beaten them in the horseshoe, too.

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No doubt about it. Never forget.

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berserkeley said:

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BigDaddy said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them. The B1G is not expanding again without the Irish.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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You apparently have the inside scoop at NBC on ND's future TV offer and the scoop on the expanded playoff negotiations that haven't started yet. Neat. Too bad you don't seem to have the publicly available information on how the B1G views expansion. Weird.

The B1G should let us in and rename the conference the Big Pac before the Big 12 takes on the remaining Pac-12 teams and does it.

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BigDaddy said:

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calumnus said:

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BigDaddy said:

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BigDaddy said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal?

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Yes, I think they will.

Notre Dame is getting one spot. There are 3 spots left for some combo of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. I'm not confident that Cal is jumping the line ahead of UO, UDub or Stanford.

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You seem very certain they are going to exactly 20 schools. Why?

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The next natural moves for both the SEC and the B1G will be 20 teams. The only place on the planet where anyone believes the B1G is moving to 21 teams in this board.

BigDaddy said:

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BigDaddy said:

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calumnus said:

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BigDaddy said:

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berserkeley said:

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BigDaddy said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal?

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Yes, I think they will.

Notre Dame is getting one spot. There are 3 spots left for some combo of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. I'm not confident that Cal is jumping the line ahead of UO, UDub or Stanford.

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You seem very certain they are going to exactly 20 schools. Why?

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The next natural moves for both the SEC and the B1G will be 20 teams. The only place on the planet where anyone believes the B1G is moving to 21 teams in this board.

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So you have no specific information. Cool.

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IMO, Is now pretty easy to decipher; is going to be Cal, UO, UW & furd in the Big10. AZ , ASU, UT & CO in the Bg 12 & WSU and OSU in the Mountain West.

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You think the B1G is going to 21 teams?

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To land ND? Yes. Of course. Silly question.

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Not really. Because ND is very likely going to announce their intention to join the B1G by end of the year. A spot is being saved for them.

So that means you think the B1G is going to 21 teams to land Cal? Now that's silly.

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Nice try.

You think the B1G is taking Stanford without Cal?

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Yes, I think they will.

Notre Dame is getting one spot. There are 3 spots left for some combo of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. I'm not confident that Cal is jumping the line ahead of UO, UDub or Stanford.

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You seem very certain they are going to exactly 20 schools. Why?

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Yeah, once the "Big 10" no longer had exactly ten members, it no longer mattered how many they have. Their "virginity" was gone, so to speak. with nothing else left to preserve. At least 21 isn't a prime number!