calumnus said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
As is typical for you, rather than answer an honest and simple question asking you for the source of a claim you made, you instead launch into an ad hominem (and false) attack on me.
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Thanks for the early morning laugh.
Look in the mirror.
Exhibit A:
OT: Teri McKeever - Page 9 | Bear Insider
Thank you for reminding everyone about (and linking to) my post made in an entirely different context where I demonstrated what a wind bag you are.
That's 3 posts where you deflected. I'll try again.
What is the source of your claim that "a number of swimmers reportedly made their concerns known to Jim Knowlton in early 2022" and Knowlton did nothing? How do you know this? Its a fair and reasonable question, yet you dodge it. Why?
You are asking to prove a negative, but there is lots of evidence he did nothing. ZERO evidence he did anything.
Again, you are ignoring the reports that Knowlton was informed in 2019 and clearly did nothing other than give McKeever an extension. Focusing on "early 2022" is moving the goalposts. He had been informed more than once.
If Knowlton had done something about it in early 2022: 1. The swimmers would know about it. How do you conduct an investigation without interviewing the alleged victims?
2. It would be announced, the same way the investigation of Hufnagel and Martin was announced immediately before the NCAA Tournament.
3. If there was an internal investigation, Cal would not have had to hire an external law firm to investigate, or there would be a been mention of the internal investigation when the law firm investigation was announced.
Again, ALL of the evidence is consistent with Knowlton having done nothing. Under what theory does the AD take action in 2019 and again in early 2022 and swimmers are still subjected to McKeever, have to go to reporters and only after public embarrassment something happens in August? Are you saying Knowlton "took action" but is just so ineffectual that nothing happened until August? Is that your theory?
No. I'm asking Diablo to prove the accuracy of the unqualified statement he made that Knowlton did nothing. I didn't move the goalposts - I responded to his claim that swimmers complained in 2022 as well.
The conclusions written above are largely speculation on your part and in many cases based on faulty assumptions.
You don't know what swimmers know and I think your premise is false - athletes would not necessarily know about investigations. Cal would not necessarily disclose to them what actions were taken. UC policy/employment law might actually prevent that type of disclosure (not sure, but most employers don't talk about such matters with employees).
And to that point, an investigation absolutely would not be announced publicly and in fact doing so would probably be a violation of Cal policy. The Hufnagel thing was only announced after the investigation was completed and he was fired. Notably, seemingly most everyone was shocked with the suddenness because most had no inking there was an investigation.
There could be both an internal and then a subsequent external investigation. You're ignoring that per Section 8 of his contract, Knowlton's sole responsibility "if Athletic Director becomes aware that a student (undergraduate, graduate, or professional) has experienced sexual violence, sexual harassment,
or other behavior prohibited by University policy . . . Athletic Director should
not investigate the report, and should not try to intervene or resolve the issue. While information must be provided to the Title IX Office, Responsible Employees
should not discuss the case with other people who do not have a legitimate need to know."
For all we know, Knowlton reported this to the Title IX office and that was the end of it for him per his contract. Per your formulation "the evidence is consistent with that" as well.
Why is it so hard for people to admit we don't know all the facts? I understand frustration that the process is dragging on. I don't understand why people want to draw unqualified conclusions based on one sided newspaper reports and other assumptions.
And for the record, I think it would be great for Cal if Knowlton can be fired for cause due to his handling of this matter. If he did, I won't defend him. Knowlton has done a terrible job and has an awful inexcusable contract. But I don't let that hope of mine substitute for facts or critical analysis.
