Closed session at 2:30 followed by open session around 3:00

UCLA Big Ten Conference Membership Legal Issues

Regents' Open Session on UCLA to Big 10

Will anyone be watching?

At what point is this like the Jury still being out? I figure if this was a "nothing we can do" they would be back by now :-)

socaltownie said:

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At what point is this like the Jury still being out? I figure if this was a "nothing we can do" they would be back by now :-)

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the student strikers came in and were chanting/protesting, that's why there's a delay

The UC Regents are in closed session. A scenario they are considering is allowing UCLA to leave for the Big Ten, but putting into writing financial guarantees that would address mental health, academic, travel burdens. Also under consideration but less certain - a "Berkeley tax."

— Billy Witz (@billywitz) December 14, 2022

UC regents give UCLA the A-OK to join Big Ten provided Bruins take mitigation measures involving travel and other athlete well-being issues.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) December 14, 2022

They're back. "Berkeley Tax" is definitely an item.

Econ141 said:

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UC regents give UCLA the A-OK to join Big Ten provided Bruins take mitigation measures involving travel and other athlete well-being issues.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) December 14, 2022

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Knowlton 50/50 chance proved correct #idiot

The UC Regents chair and UCOP president are recommending letting UCLA move to the Big Ten and revisiting the issue once the Pac-12 has a media deal, with possible 2-5 million subsidy for Calhttps://t.co/I2pdtEObjM pic.twitter.com/WrvdE49ZeQ

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) December 15, 2022

https://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/dec22/b2.pdf

Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

Move approved 11 to 5. Berkeley Tax approved unanimously 14-2 (I think).

eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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This seems like, at most, a little slap on the wrist.

eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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The only caveat to that is that the Regents reserved the right to increase the tax amount again if they want.

The Board officially approves UCLA's move to the Big Ten (with accompanying conditions) by a vote of 11-5.

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) December 15, 2022

PaulCali said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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This seems like, at most, a little slap on the wrist.

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yeah it's nothing. the single-year increase that UCLA will experience with the B1G deal will more than cover that

eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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LMAO! Boy, the Regents really put the screws to UCLA!

What a windfall for Cal.

PaulCali said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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This seems like, at most, a little slap on the wrist.

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One of the Regents did mention that he (they?) favor continuing to allow athletics decisions to be made on a campus by campus basis. So the "let Ucla go but block Cal later" narrative doesn't seem to have teeth.

Welp we will cease to be to the flagship university in a few years. All the publicity of being in a relevant football program will give them the slight edge.

Thanks once again Knowlton and Christ for all that you do for our revenue sports.

WalterSobchak said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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Summary for those who don't want to read/watch: essentially UCLA's move is endorsed & approved by the regents on the condition that they provide adequate nutritional/mental health/etc support for athletes, plus after the Pac media deal is signed, UCLA will give a one-time check to Berkeley for somewhere between $2-$10 million dollars

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The only caveat to that is that the Regents reserved the right to increase the tax amount again if they want.

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Yes though I believe the reservation of rights clause was not to dictate a change in range and moreso to retain the board having the final say on the number after Drake's recommendation

What an absolute joke the final action taken by the Regents is. The "compensation" to Cal is only $2 to 10 million. The UC President will make a final recommendation to the Regents on a number within that range at a subsequent meeting, and then the Regents will vote on that recommendation. Big fuc*ing deal!

In addition, the Regents approved ten "mitigation" measures to lessen the burden placed on the UCLA athletes as a result of the move to the Big 10. Among the mitigation measures is guaranteed breakfast and lunches for all student athletes on campus as well as mental health support and increased academic support.

I was not at all impressed with the intelligence of the Regents based on this meeting. They seemed to be a bunch of bored numb nuts. Newsom and the Lt. Gov. were not in attendance. There was absolutely no discussion of any of the 10 so-called mitigation measures, and virtually none on the $2-10 million for Cal.

Golden One said:

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What an absolute joke the final action taken by the Regents is. The "compensation" to Cal is only $2 to 10 million. The UC President will make a final recommendation to the Regents on a number within that range at a subsequent meeting, and then the Regents will vote on that recommendation.

In addition, the Regents approved ten "mitigation" measures to lessen the burden placed on the UCLA athletes as a result of the move to the Big 10. Among the mitigation measures is guaranteed breakfast and lunches for all student athletes on campus as well as mental health support and increased academic support.

I was not at all impressed with the intelligence of the Regents based on this meeting. They seemed to be a bunch of numb nuts. Newsom and the Lt. Gov. were not in attendance.

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yeah truth be told I was pretty unimpressed with the regents. some of the comments in the discussion portion were meandering, substanceless comments where the speaker is talking just to hear their own voice without saying anything meaningful. IDK just would've thought that if you're a regent of the state of California there'd be some requirement to not be a numbskull

Also a 1 time payment of 2-10 million is nothing; UCLA will see an increase of way more than that just by going from the PAC to B1G. Not even a slap on the wrist, it's like a pinch

This is what the Regents want. Item 11 was changed to up to 10 million subject to approval by the board.

Regents' Recommendation

Found it interesting that he opened his remarks with a statement about nuclear fusion research at the Lawrence Lab. What was that about? Was he trying to trivialize the UCLA matter--by juxtaposition--before announcing a decision about it?




edit: not sure about which specific lab.

Econ141 said:

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Welp we will cease to be to the flagship university in a few years. All the publicity of being in a relevant football program will give them the slight edge.

Thanks once again Knowlton and Christ for all that you do for our revenue sports.

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UCLA took Cal's place as the flagship when they announced this program: https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-launches-hip-hop-initiative

PaulCali said:

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Found it interesting that he opened his remarks with a statement about nuclear fusion research at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab. What was that about? Was he trying to trivialize the UCLA matter--by juxtaposition--before announcing a decision about it?

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Yes

I think though that the chairman framed things fairly clearly (and probably correctly). We live and die sports. The FAR bigger news though - and really the reason for the state of California to invest TENS OF BILLIONS and likely hundreds of billions during the history of the university - occured at LLL. THe breakthrough in Fusion is very very real and a BIG huge f;'ing deal. The team proved it is possible to be net energy positive. I would love to see a Rose bowl before I die. But if I am honest a far bigger deal would be commercially plausible fusion power.

This is the most interesting condition IMHO. There's no way they can legitimately do this without a West Coast Pod.

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2. UCLA will adopt and implement annual plans to mitigate the travel impacts of its membership in the Big Ten Conference; such plans will take into account the competition schedule for each athletic team and shall be designed to reduce the burden of travel on student-athletes to levels comparable to the burden they would have experienced had UCLA continued its membership in the Pac-12 Conference; these mitigation strategies...will be reviewed for compliance with this provision by the Office of the President;

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Econ141 said:

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Welp we will cease to be to the flagship university in a few years. All the publicity of being in a relevant football program will give them the slight edge.

Thanks once again Knowlton and Christ for all that you do for our revenue sports.

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UCLA took Cal's place as the flagship when they announced this program: https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-launches-hip-hop-initiative

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Repeat after me. THERE IS NO DE JURE FLAGSHIP. THat was decided 60+ years ago with the Master Plan for Higher Education.

WalterSobchak said:

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This is the most interesting condition IMHO. There's no way they can legitimately do this without a West Coast Pod.

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2. UCLA will adopt and implement annual plans to mitigate the travel impacts of its membership in the Big Ten Conference; such plans will take into account the competition schedule for each athletic team and shall be designed to reduce the burden of travel on student-athletes to levels comparable to the burden they would have experienced had UCLA continued its membership in the Pac-12 Conference; these mitigation strategies...will be reviewed for compliance with this provision by the Office of the President;

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Agreed. Thought that may be a figleaf forgotten some years from now.

PaulCali said:

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Found it interesting that he opened his remarks with a statement about nuclear fusion research at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab. What was that about? Was he trying to trivialize the UCLA matter--by juxtaposition--before announcing a decision about it?

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This is a big deal. It was done at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-scientists-set-reveal-step-advancing-fusion-energy-quest-2022-12-13/
[url=https://www.llnl.gov/][/url]

WalterSobchak said:

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This is the most interesting condition IMHO. There's no way they can legitimately do this without a West Coast Pod.

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2. UCLA will adopt and implement annual plans to mitigate the travel impacts of its membership in the Big Ten Conference; such plans will take into account the competition schedule for each athletic team and shall be designed to reduce the burden of travel on student-athletes to levels comparable to the burden they would have experienced had UCLA continued its membership in the Pac-12 Conference; these mitigation strategies...will be reviewed for compliance with this provision by the Office of the President;

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There can be a west coast pod while excluding us

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PaulCali said:

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Found it interesting that he opened his remarks with a statement about nuclear fusion research at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab. What was that about? Was he trying to trivialize the UCLA matter--by juxtaposition--before announcing a decision about it?

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This is a big deal. It was done at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-scientists-set-reveal-step-advancing-fusion-energy-quest-2022-12-13/
[url=https://www.llnl.gov/][/url]

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Thanks for the correction.

UCLA should park as many non-revenue sports as possible in the Big West.

I think the Regents' recommendation will create quite a bureaucracy at UCLA to comply with all of the requests. Do you think the UCLA Academic Senate will like being told to give athletes special consideration in #6?

The NIF at LLNL has (almost) nothing to do with clean energy and everything to do with ways to do nuclear testing without violating weapons bans.

That's not to say that the science isn't worthwhile or isn't necessary or isn't amazing, but it's not about clean energy.