Seeing what's been transpiring, I wanted to make a brief post encouraging you all to donate to Calegends for NIL. I'm sure you've seen some posts about this before but all I ask is you genuinely consider.

Why now?
- Entering a **critical** period right now with the portal open and visits happening.
- We have extreme needs for OTs, and to a lesser extent fill out the QB room and depth along the roster
- You have a chance to directly impact the quality of the roster. Think about how years ago, people like you could only very marginally and indirectly affect the roster by donating to the AD/Football program (which a small % would be cut), upon which staffing choices could be made, which in turn might influence the quality of recruits. Now you can literally click a few buttons, enter a number, and materially help land an OL, QB, or whatever the need is at the moment.
- Seen some posts saying that you'll donate when our staff is more in your taste or when we hire better admin, etc. Guys, it's reversed. If you want a higher quality program then you gotta step to the plate and allow our staff the freedom to recruit without being hamstrung by a lack of funds.
- In fact, consider that if you have issues with administration or something tangential, this is the best possible way to impact the program. Your money isn't passed through several beaurocratic pipes, the AD has no say over who you donate the NIL to, so pretty much this is the freest you've ever been to impact the team
- NIL is the missing piece. Almost every recruit talks about how they love Cal, the academics/degree value, how this staff is the best staff they've ever worked with, etc. We have the stadium, facilities, nutrition, positional staff, degree, weather, location, academic support all down. Help put down the final puzzle piece (which happens to be the most important in todays age).
- Finally, I understand some of you may have a distaste for the world of NIL and that's understandable. But here's the thing: Cal is one of the few if only institutions playing by the rules. While USC, UCLA, and the other guys continue to blatantly disregard the rule set and contact players not in the portal, attempt to poach guys from other teams, etc. we are actually playing fair and using NIL as a means to reward athletes often through community service and other meaningful deals struck with the community & donors. Would you rather see the cheating programs run us over and dominate the landscape, or recognize that this is the new world we operate in, so at least let's support a program that's committed to playing fairly and by the rules.

Seriously, consider donating today. We can sincerely impact the outcome of next season if we get some money to Calegends and they can lock down some great pieces (especially on the OL). It's never been easier to impact a program and bypass a lot of the administrative clutter that existed before.

JMike has been obvious since his sideways frown tweet before Christmas. Why not post the ballpark number then? Make an appeal to the broad Cal community to match the Ucla offer. Then re-match when Wasserman re-ups. What's the worst that can happen? We fall short and lose the guys we're losing now anyway? None of the way our NIL collective is being run makes any sense to me. If big donors aren't willing to carry the program are they really big donors? Post the numbers now! For everyone. Make contributions to the collective specific to retention of specific players and refundable if we lose the bidding war. Get with the ****ing program or we're dead.

Marshall and the fans are trying to push it. Seems like really desperate times here

WalterSobchak said:

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JMike has been obvious since his sideways frown tweet before Christmas. Why not post the ballpark number then? Make an appeal to the broad Cal community to match the Ucla offer. Then re-match when Wasserman re-ups. What's the worst that can happen? We fall short and lose the guys we're losing now anyway? None of the way our NIL collective is being run makes any sense to me. If big donors aren't willing to carry the program are they really big donors? Post the numbers now! For everyone. Make contributions to the collective specific to retention of specific players and refundable if we lose the bidding war. Get with the ****ing program or we're dead.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. The problem for smaller donors putting in money is that if we don't reach a critical mass of funds (enough to retain/attract enough top talent), then individually each donor just threw money into the wind becuase it won't materially increase the number of wins we'll have at the end of the year.

Even if every Cal donor ponied up decent change to the NIL, we would be outbid by nearly any other major P5 program that has made winning at college football a priority for the last several decades.

The writing is on the wall. No one trusts Justin Wilcox to lead Cal, fans or potential donors alike, and there's no way you can get enough donors to change this situation financially.

We need a good coach or we are toast.

A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

Great post eastcoastcal

southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I agree that NIL is now the way and we will have to live with it. The point however is that we can raise a billion dollars for NIL but will not have any success with mediocre (at best) coaches. Yes, it is the "Jimmys and the Joes) but coaching matters. (Look at the quick turnarounds at Tulane and TCU.) So does administration. Both are lacking at Cal.

oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

southseasbear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I agree that NIL is now the way and we will have to live with it. The point however is that we can raise a billion dollars for NIL but will not have any success with mediocre (at best) coaches. Yes, it is the "Jimmys and the Joes) but coaching matters. (Look at the quick turnarounds at Tulane and TCU.) So does administration. Both are lacking at Cal.

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When can we fire Wilcox so that Wilcox and Dykes can face each other in the Natty?

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

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We have a defensive coordinator turned coach who just fired an experienced OC who failed (after previous middling OCs). He needs an OC with simpler offensive systems that will work in today's transfer portal world where you can only develop players for a year or two before they move on. All of our awesome talent last year were first time starters. That is the incredible new world. Combine that with an actual academic workload, and it is hard to master a pro style offense. He hired Spavital. This should help greatly.

oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

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We have a defensive coordinator turned coach who just fired an experienced OC who failed (after previous middling OCs). He needs an OC with simpler offensive systems that will work in today's transfer portal world where you can only develop players for a year or two before they move on. All of our awesome talent last year were first time starters. That is the incredible new world. Combine that with an actual academic workload, and it is hard to master a pro style offense. He hired Spavital. This should help greatly.

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We'll see if we get 2016 Spav or 13-35 Texas State Spav. Depending on how this season turns out, I'll see whether it's worth donating to the NIL

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

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We have a defensive coordinator turned coach who just fired an experienced OC who failed (after previous middling OCs). He needs an OC with simpler offensive systems that will work in today's transfer portal world where you can only develop players for a year or two before they move on. All of our awesome talent last year were first time starters. That is the incredible new world. Combine that with an actual academic workload, and it is hard to master a pro style offense. He hired Spavital. This should help greatly.

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We'll see if we get 2016 Spav or 13-35 Texas State Spav. Depending on how this season turns out, I'll see whether it's worth donating to the NIL

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He was head coach of Texas State, not offensive coordinator. Moreover, they have had one winning FBS season EVER (7-5 in 2013).

oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

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We have a defensive coordinator turned coach who just fired an experienced OC who failed (after previous middling OCs). He needs an OC with simpler offensive systems that will work in today's transfer portal world where you can only develop players for a year or two before they move on. All of our awesome talent last year were first time starters. That is the incredible new world. Combine that with an actual academic workload, and it is hard to master a pro style offense. He hired Spavital. This should help greatly.

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We'll see if we get 2016 Spav or 13-35 Texas State Spav. Depending on how this season turns out, I'll see whether it's worth donating to the NIL

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He was head coach of Texas State, not offensive coordinator. Moreover, they have had one winning FBS season EVER (7-5 in 2013).

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Texas State is about to have a lot more winning seasons, now that they have the staff and talent from conference winning Incarnate Word

southseasbear said:

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Goobear said:

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southseasbear said:

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Oski87 said:

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I agree that NIL is now the way and we will have to live with it. The point however is that we can raise a billion dollars for NIL but will not have any success with mediocre (at best) coaches. Yes, it is the "Jimmys and the Joes) but coaching matters. (Look at the quick turnarounds at Tulane and TCU.) So does administration. Both are lacking at Cal.

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TCU has a terrible coach. Haven't you been paying attention to this site?

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Wilcox isn't Fox.

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Not as bad, but he's been proven in 6 seasons to do less with more. The fact that we have a 2-9 conference record with our amazing skill players is pathetic. I won't donate a single cent until Wilcox can show he can do more with less. If we are projected to finish dead last next season but somehow end up 6-6 and in a bowl win, then I'll reconsider. Otherwise I might as well be burning my cash in a trash can.

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We have a defensive coordinator turned coach who just fired an experienced OC who failed (after previous middling OCs). He needs an OC with simpler offensive systems that will work in today's transfer portal world where you can only develop players for a year or two before they move on. All of our awesome talent last year were first time starters. That is the incredible new world. Combine that with an actual academic workload, and it is hard to master a pro style offense. He hired Spavital. This should help greatly.

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We'll see if we get 2016 Spav or 13-35 Texas State Spav. Depending on how this season turns out, I'll see whether it's worth donating to the NIL

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This! Results first.

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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Sorry, but throwing money at a problem is not the solution when the problem is due to incompetence. Wilcox had 6 years to put together a decent offense but loyally stuck with incompetent coaches like Baldwin, Musgrave, and McClure despite the team's pathetic performance.

Even if Wilcox resigned today and was replaced with a great coach, I fear it's too late. The program has been driven into the ground by incompetence and apathy, from the Chancellor and AD down to the coaches.

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This type of argument when talking about NIL does not hold water. Obviously the poor results lost you. The coaches say in general it is not the X's and O's It is the Jimmy's and the Joe's. This means NIL is now the way.

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I'm glad you are already coming up with Wilcox's excuses in the upcoming season. When we end up at 3-9, we can show a message on the big screen at Memorial about how this isn't the team's fault, it's because donors weren't willing to pay to play. Just follow the Fox playbook of blaming COVID and injuries that are part of Cal's untraditional excellence.

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Not making excuses. Quality of coaching is also important. Wilcox needs to produce.

I'll donate to the collective when I feel like reciprocal value is being efforted by Cal. Right now, between Christ, Knowlton, and the direction of Cal FB and BB programs I see intentional destruction and feckless incompetency.

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A current Cal student comes out asking for folks to consider giving to the collective - which goes directly to fund the teams you direct it to fund - and all I see are excuses why you won't give.

Guess what - that is Cal's problem. Everyone is too smart to be bothered with being part of the group. Everyone has a different, better answer. And no one decides to actually pony up and become involved. Get over your petty issues about the coach, the AD, the school, and give to the one place where it actually matters to the direct ability to get recruits - regardless of the coach. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking and they started buy-in players. Our third string RB god decent money there. Is the answer - No - the AD is bad. No cash for kids?

J Mike is not the only concern - all the kids are getting offers. So stop worry about stuff and give cash.

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It requires a leap of faith to make a sizeable contribution. It requires a belief that enough people will also do so that the money collected will be large enough to actually do something. If only 10 people donate and you get a total of $10K, I promise you the end result will be no different than had nobody donated at all. For those 10 people, they might as well light their money on fire.

There was a company called Tilt that built a platform for collecting money for a group where the money would only be officially collected if a certain total amount was reached. If not enough money was collected, everyone would be refunded. Perhaps that's a concept the collective can use to provide donors with enough conviction that either their money will mean something, or they'll get it back.

Let me attempt to respond to some of the hesitation

"I won't donate until Cal as an institution starts investing in football"
This is the literal benefit of NIL to an institution like cal. You don't have to rely on your admin being competent or savvy to win. We have the funds now to properly acquire and retain coaching talent (Caliber). Now we need to focus on the player acquisition and retention. Completely bypass the Berkeley/Cal institution.

"I don't like Wilcox and/or don't believe he's a winner"
Listen whether you wanted it or not, Wilcox is here for at least a few years. His buyout is very large and you and I both know he's not going anywhere for a bit. We have the OC we want (and one whom has lit it up at every single OC position he's had in his career. Who cares if he didn't succeed as an HC). You can either supply the coaches we have (and will have for the next couple years) with the proper weapons and tools, or can watch them try to succeed without it and then subsequently complain about the lack of success and subsequently rationalize that the lack of success is why you won't donate. See how it's circular?

Guys I'm not happy with the results. My first two years at Cal have not had much winning. But refusing to go in on NIL as some form of retribution for the lack of success is only going to predicate more losing. Every guy on the team says he loves the staff. We obviously had issues play calling last year (attempted fix: new OC), issues on OL (we got a coach now we need the horses AKA NIL). It's a question of getting the $ to get the higher end talent here. Would you rather watch the next 3+ years of us sucking just to validate a belief that our coaching staff aren't inherently winners?

"Even if we donate it won't make a difference" / "we need too many people to donate than is feasible"
From the explicit details provided on some of our transfers out, we are a concerted effort from people like you from retaining them or going out and poaching some good portal talent. The whole "I won't donate unless there's a lot of other people donating" is silly and you know it. That's not worth a rebuttal.


The results the last few years are awful and unacceptable. But you can either use them as a self-rationalization as to why the program doesn't deserve your money, or you can realize that the rain has to come before the wet streets: giving the $ to Caliber gives us a full toolset to go out and compete with (in addition to all my aforementioned benefits in the original post).

Please consider donating. You've never before had the opportunity to so directly impact a program and at such a critical time

I consider the whole idea of NIL collectives that fans pay into in hopes of attracting and retaining talented athletes to be very peculiar and symptomatic of a broken system. It is time to admit that these athletes are professionals, sign them to contracts, and give them a salary and a percent of the ticket sales and tv revenue.

I don't know how half the people here still don't understand the NIL Collective isn't controlled by anyone at Cal's Athletic Department or Football Program.

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I consider the whole idea of NIL collectives that fans pay into in hopes of attracting and retaining talented athletes to be very peculiar and symptomatic of a broken system. It is time to admit that these athletes are professionals, sign them to contracts, and give them a salary and a percent of the ticket sales and tv revenue.

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Yup - this is nuts. I wonder how a team like TCU is doing. They have a much smaller alumni base and at least up until now I have never really heard much about their program. Are they taking in NIL dollars and if so, from where?

Regardless, I find it odd to pay for a team I root for to compete. I don't have to do that for the NFL and I don't have to feel bad about it because those guys are paid.

These players have scholarships and I agree deserve a ton of money for the fact that they put on a tremendous product on the field. That said, if I have spare money, I feel odd giving it to players rather than charity.

Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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As a (presumed) citizen of this Great Nation, how could you have become so very cynical living through such glorious times?

TypiCAL…everyone has a theory or excuse. The world has changed. If you want a better team we need better players. Give to the collective!! I'm sure you can come up with a million excuses not to, but I'm just sick of the whining. Find something else to occupy your time. The new world, NIL and portal isn't going away. We either need to play the game or we will be left behind. This is a direct way that you can help the program. People reading this board obviously give a damn, once again stop whining and give some damn money!!

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Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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If you believe we are playing in the realm of 7 figure payments to multiple players you should refrain from commenting on NIL because you're woefully off track. Top programs like Texas and Oklahoma have NIL programs for their OL where each guy gets something like 20 or 25k. These are achievable figures.

Sorry if you feel my post in any way exemplified that of a political donation drive- I'd argue I provided pretty specific rationale as to why now is a good time to get involved with the collective, as opposed to vague platitudes that you might see accompanying a political message.

Lastly yes I am a cal sophomore, but I finish a contract software thing at the end of January (for all intents and purposes an in-semester internship) and I'll likely give a lot of the $ from that to Calegends.

Crowdfunding will not put us in contention for the arch mannings or rashadas of the world (7 figure donors are needed for that) but looking at what top programs do for OL collectives is extraordinarily within reach.

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Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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If you believe we are playing in the realm of 7 figure payments to multiple players you should refrain from commenting on NIL because you're woefully off track. Top programs like Texas and Oklahoma have NIL programs for their OL where each guy gets something like 20 or 25k. These are achievable figures.

Sorry if you feel my post in any way exemplified that of a political donation drive- I'd argue I provided pretty specific rationale as to why now is a good time to get involved with the collective, as opposed to vague platitudes that you might see accompanying a political message.

Lastly yes I am a cal sophomore, but I finish a contract software thing at the end of January (for all intents and purposes an in-semester internship) and I'll likely give a lot of the $ from that to Calegends.

Crowdfunding will not put us in contention for the arch mannings or rashadas of the world (7 figure donors are needed for that) but looking at what top programs do for OL collectives is extraordinarily within reach.

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Retaining our stars will cost 7 figures. I wasn't even including all of the NIL that will be required for non stars.

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Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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If you believe we are playing in the realm of 7 figure payments to multiple players you should refrain from commenting on NIL because you're woefully off track. Top programs like Texas and Oklahoma have NIL programs for their OL where each guy gets something like 20 or 25k. These are achievable figures.

Sorry if you feel my post in any way exemplified that of a political donation drive- I'd argue I provided pretty specific rationale as to why now is a good time to get involved with the collective, as opposed to vague platitudes that you might see accompanying a political message.

Lastly yes I am a cal sophomore, but I finish a contract software thing at the end of January (for all intents and purposes an in-semester internship) and I'll likely give a lot of the $ from that to Calegends.

Crowdfunding will not put us in contention for the arch mannings or rashadas of the world (7 figure donors are needed for that) but looking at what top programs do for OL collectives is extraordinarily within reach.

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Retaining our stars will cost 7 figures. I wasn't even including all of the NIL that will be required for non stars.

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Okay great, we have major donors to do the legwork of retaining our biggest stars, and crowdfunding to improve depth, acquire mid-high tier talent from portal (see aforementioned Texas/Oklahoma OL). Nobody is saying we're 100% crowdfunding the entire NIL operation. However, entry level NIL subscriptions combined with the volume of folks here on the forums is enough to make a tangible diff

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Some people think crowdfunding through ordinary Cal fans is going to generate a significant annual revenue stream to help afford 7 figure compensation for perhaps multiple players each season? Either this idea is crazy or I am.

And OP who exhorts Cal fans to "step to the plate" in what read like political campaign contribution solicitations is a random Cal sophomore who presumably doesn't have an income to donate himself? If I was just a little more paranoid I'd think this was some kind of grift.

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If you believe we are playing in the realm of 7 figure payments to multiple players you should refrain from commenting on NIL because you're woefully off track. Top programs like Texas and Oklahoma have NIL programs for their OL where each guy gets something like 20 or 25k. These are achievable figures.

Sorry if you feel my post in any way exemplified that of a political donation drive- I'd argue I provided pretty specific rationale as to why now is a good time to get involved with the collective, as opposed to vague platitudes that you might see accompanying a political message.

Lastly yes I am a cal sophomore, but I finish a contract software thing at the end of January (for all intents and purposes an in-semester internship) and I'll likely give a lot of the $ from that to Calegends.

Crowdfunding will not put us in contention for the arch mannings or rashadas of the world (7 figure donors are needed for that) but looking at what top programs do for OL collectives is extraordinarily within reach.

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Retaining our stars will cost 7 figures. I wasn't even including all of the NIL that will be required for non stars.

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Okay great, we have major donors to do the legwork of retaining our biggest stars, and crowdfunding to improve depth, acquire mid-high tier talent from portal (see aforementioned Texas/Oklahoma OL). Nobody is saying we're 100% crowdfunding the entire NIL operation. However, entry level NIL subscriptions combined with the volume of folks here on the forums is enough to make a tangible diff

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Didn't we just lose Sturdivant due to insufficient NIL money? We don't even have the major donors needed to cover our stars -- and we have so few to cover right now. It does not seem like we just need ordinary Cal fans to cover a small gap between what we have and what we need.

If Cal being competitive relies on the willingness of Cal fans to personally fund millions (tens of millions?) every year to pay for our de facto pro athlete salaries, we might as well fold shop right now. It will not happen and frankly I don't even want to see it happen. Ordinary fans sending in thousands of dollars every year to each directly cover a tiny portion of a millionaire athlete's salary is grotesque.

I already burn more money each year than I probably should going to Memorial a half-dozen times per year to watch a bad product on the field and the progressive destruction of the gameday experience, I'm not personally funding professional athlete salaries on top of that. The money for their compensation should be coming from the billions they already generate, not from additional revenue in the form of grassroots donations.

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Let me attempt to respond to some of the hesitation

"I won't donate until Cal as an institution starts investing in football"
This is the literal benefit of NIL to an institution like cal. You don't have to rely on your admin being competent or savvy to win. We have the funds now to properly acquire and retain coaching talent (Caliber). Now we need to focus on the player acquisition and retention. Completely bypass the Berkeley/Cal institution.

"I don't like Wilcox and/or don't believe he's a winner"
Listen whether you wanted it or not, Wilcox is here for at least a few years. His buyout is very large and you and I both know he's not going anywhere for a bit. We have the OC we want (and one whom has lit it up at every single OC position he's had in his career. Who cares if he didn't succeed as an HC). You can either supply the coaches we have (and will have for the next couple years) with the proper weapons and tools, or can watch them try to succeed without it and then subsequently complain about the lack of success and subsequently rationalize that the lack of success is why you won't donate. See how it's circular?

Guys I'm not happy with the results. My first two years at Cal have not had much winning. But refusing to go in on NIL as some form of retribution for the lack of success is only going to predicate more losing. Every guy on the team says he loves the staff. We obviously had issues play calling last year (attempted fix: new OC), issues on OL (we got a coach now we need the horses AKA NIL). It's a question of getting the $ to get the higher end talent here. Would you rather watch the next 3+ years of us sucking just to validate a belief that our coaching staff aren't inherently winners?

"Even if we donate it won't make a difference" / "we need too many people to donate than is feasible"
From the explicit details provided on some of our transfers out, we are a concerted effort from people like you from retaining them or going out and poaching some good portal talent. The whole "I won't donate unless there's a lot of other people donating" is silly and you know it. That's not worth a rebuttal.


The results the last few years are awful and unacceptable. But you can either use them as a self-rationalization as to why the program doesn't deserve your money, or you can realize that the rain has to come before the wet streets: giving the $ to Caliber gives us a full toolset to go out and compete with (in addition to all my aforementioned benefits in the original post).

Please consider donating. You've never before had the opportunity to so directly impact a program and at such a critical time

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What you overlook is that it's not a direct investment in winning. Maybe if it's a Phil Knight type who has the money to buy up specific elite talent then sure. But average alums are still just being asked to put money into a pot that's managed by incompetents. The incompetents are a little closer to the field (Wilcox instead of Knowlton) but they're still incompetent.

Look at your own example - the Caliber fund. I'm not super familiar with it but it sounds like the thing that's making it possible for us to continue to give our bad coaches more and more money. Whoopie. We've kept the guys who are leading us to failure! Mission accomplished!

As far as I can tell, there are two things the average fan can do with NIL. You can direct money to a specific existing player (and that money doesn't seem to have any strings attached, nothing prevents the player from taking your money and then transferring) or you can give to a generic pot controlled by the coaches. The same coaches who have had trouble with talent evaluation, development, and recruitment are now expected to do that better in an NIL world? And I'm supposed to pay thousands of dollars more than what I already pay to enable that?

Maybe an analogy would help. Let's say you were a small investor in a private company. Over time you've come to believe that the management team sucks. The board believes that the management team needs more resources and gives them all big raises because... well, the board is dumb. The company keeps producing bad results. You're told you now have a great opportunity to help your investment by throwing a bunch more of your money into a new fund that allows management to have a bigger salary pool. The people doling it out don't change, the people doing the hiring and training and top level decision making don't change. Heck, for all you know it'll be like the board's decision and they'll spend all of the new money on keeping the exact same team together so they can continue to not produce. But technically you can now "bypass" some amount of bureaucracy and give straight to an employee salary fund. Do you do it? Or do you want to have some confidence in the company management before burning more of your money?

Btw, this is probably not the right thread for it but the Wilcox contract does not mean he's necessarily here for several more years. I disagree with that kind of thinking. It may or may not be reality given his bosses but the thinking is wrong imo. His contract is a sunk cost. We owe it to him no matter what we do. It's certainly a handicap but there is an argument that we're better off with firing him and getting a relatively cheap replacement (high ceiling low floor type of hire) than continuing on the good ship 5-7. If the hire is a hit the money will show up to keep him.