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2:43p, 7/26/23
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
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2:49p, 7/26/23
Could be great news. The next team to leave before a rights deal is signed could trigger another wave of relocations which would then free up the B1G to move without any fears of lawsuits. On the other hand if just Colorado leaves they probably replace them with SDSU and stay the PAC-10 and that's that. But if the Arizonas and maybe Utah follow suit to the B12 it could force the hands of California, LSJU, nikeU, and Washington to work as a group to be the B1G West pod. And, randomly, we could have Northwestern's vote now too because if there's expansion the news cycle moves on to that and starts ignoring their hazing scandal, coach firing, and them ducking accountability at the B1G media day
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2:56p, 7/26/23
The CU regents meeting on Thursday afternoon is an open public meeting, which means they can vote on a Big 12 offer at the meeting.
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2:59p, 7/26/23
I have been waiting for the endgame for a year now, if this is finally it, then let's party.
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3:04p, 7/26/23
The story that will not die. Wake me when something actually happens.
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In reply to ncbears • 3:27p, 7/26/23
ncbears said:
The story that will not die. Wake me when something actually happens.
Set your alarm for 2:30 pm Pacific time tomorrow. That's 30 minutes after CU's board meeting begins.
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3:32p, 7/26/23
Ya, I'm pretty sure this is happening. A CU 24/7 guy, who is incredibly conservative with his reporting and has not touched this topic for a year, is saying it's done.
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3:34p, 7/26/23
https://theathletic.com/4715865/2023/07/26/colorado-big-12-realignment-pac-12/
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In reply to HearstMining • 3:34p, 7/26/23
HearstMining said:
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
Sure, but unless Cal has a Big-10 invite lined up this could also be the domino to doom our football program via mass Pac exodus.
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In reply to StillNoStanfurdium • 3:36p, 7/26/23
StillNoStanfurdium said:
HearstMining said:
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
Sure, but unless Cal has a Big-10 invite lined up this could also be the domino to doom our football program via mass Pac exodus.
We (along with the Trees) go independent for a while until the next cycle.
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In reply to Strykur • 3:40p, 7/26/23
Strykur said:
StillNoStanfurdium said:
HearstMining said:
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
Sure, but unless Cal has a Big-10 invite lined up this could also be the domino to doom our football program via mass Pac exodus.
We (along with the Trees) go independent for a while until the next cycle.
And how much money is our independent media contract going to pay?
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In reply to MTbear22 • 3:49p, 7/26/23
MTbear22 said:
Strykur said:
StillNoStanfurdium said:
HearstMining said:
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
Sure, but unless Cal has a Big-10 invite lined up this could also be the domino to doom our football program via mass Pac exodus.
We (along with the Trees) go independent for a while until the next cycle.
And how much money is our independent media contract going to pay?
Yeah with the current spending arms race in the NIL landscape I don't see any way we stay competitive as independents at even our current level of recruiting/on-field success (let alone hope for improvement).
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In reply to MTbear22 • 3:50p, 7/26/23
MTbear22 said:
Strykur said:
StillNoStanfurdium said:
HearstMining said:
If they go, adios muchachos. Personally, it never really felt like they were part of the Pac-xx anyway.
Sure, but unless Cal has a Big-10 invite lined up this could also be the domino to doom our football program via mass Pac exodus.
We (along with the Trees) go independent for a while until the next cycle.
And how much money is our independent media contract going to pay?


I'm willing to chip in 100 bucks per game on the condition I also get two tickets to every home game.
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3:57p, 7/26/23
CU's meeting will be live-streamed.

For those who don't know, a move on CU's part has to be made in a public meeting. Today they had a private board meeting on athletics, then immediately scheduled a public meeting on athletics for tomorrow.

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4:04p, 7/26/23
As CU football season ticket holders, the Big12 is filled with meh teams once Texas and Oklahoma leave.
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StillNoStanfurdium
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In reply to ncbears • 4:15p, 7/26/23
ncbears said:
As CU football season ticket holders, the Big12 is filled with meh teams once Texas and Oklahoma leave.
And nearly all of those "meh" teams are being perceived more strongly than Cal after our performance over the past ten years when we look outside of the Pac-12 fanbase. In fact, I won't be surprised if the only way the Pac-12 survives is basically as a new look MWC type conference with additions of CSU, SDSU, SMU, etc.
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4:59p, 7/26/23
Totally awesome. Give up CU, Utah, UA, maybe ASU and grab San Diego, maybe Fresno and San Jose! What a trade.
PAC is dead
Please find a Big 10 home or we may as well drop to FCS
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5:01p, 7/26/23
I'm sure George K will address this situation sometime after the 2023 season.
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5:05p, 7/26/23
Agreed the pac is dead.

We will find out real soon. Did Knowlton fall asleep at the wheel as usual (probably).

We either band together with UW, OU, Stanford and make a pitch to the B1G to enter at reduced share (probably at $30M as what the Big 12 teams) until the next cycle.

Or more than likely, UW and OU presidents are aggressive in nature and are planning their own future, and Cal AD is calling the Stanford AD, who will likely go independent. We are left hanging at the altar, and will either be the flagship for MWC (yuck) or drop football entirely.
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5:08p, 7/26/23
Another thought, its kind of frustrating to see incompetence at so many levels, all surrounding our university.

Our current football staff, boring at best, some could argue for incompetence.
Our last basketball staff, worst in the conference/nation
Our ex-swimming coach, a likely criminal
Our AD, can't lead major sports, can't even investigate serious allegations under his watch
Our conference (Larry Scott), worst AD by far
Current conference leadership doesn't look to be any better. Promising a deal since March? Then June? Then now? And going into the conference kickoff with NO DEALs to present? Wow…


It takes a comical of errors to end up at this spot, yet we somehow did it.
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In reply to Arcadiabear • 5:12p, 7/26/23
Arcadiabear said:
Another thought, its kind of frustrating to see incompetence at so many levels, all surrounding our university.

Our current football staff, boring at best, some could argue for incompetence.
Our last basketball staff, worst in the conference/nation
Our ex-swimming coach, a likely criminal
Our AD, can't lead major sports, can't even investigate serious allegations under his watch
Our conference (Larry Scott), worst AD by far
Current conference leadership doesn't look to be any better. Promising a deal since March? Then June? Then now? And going into the conference kickoff with NO DEALs to present? Wow…
At least:
  • Wilcox finally hired a decent offensive coach (Spav) and could turn things around quickly
  • Got a decent hoops coach who might want to stick around
  • Still have Durden winning championships and running the ship
  • The next chancellor can shake things up
  • Conference realignment is slow-moving, even if the near term is not great, that can change over time
  • PAC-12 is dead and has been dead since last year, Kliavkoff was never going to save this thing
  • Gonna be a fun(eral) season, who doesn't love those?
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5:12p, 7/26/23
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In reply to Strykur • 5:15p, 7/26/23
Strykur said:
Arcadiabear said:
Another thought, its kind of frustrating to see incompetence at so many levels, all surrounding our university.

Our current football staff, boring at best, some could argue for incompetence.
Our last basketball staff, worst in the conference/nation
Our ex-swimming coach, a likely criminal
Our AD, can't lead major sports, can't even investigate serious allegations under his watch
Our conference (Larry Scott), worst AD by far
Current conference leadership doesn't look to be any better. Promising a deal since March? Then June? Then now? And going into the conference kickoff with NO DEALs to present? Wow…
At least:
  • Wilcox finally hired a decent offensive coach (Spav) and could turn things around quickly
  • Got a decent hoops coach who might want to stick around
  • Still have Durden winning championships and running the ship
  • The next chancellor can shake things up
  • Conference realignment is slow-moving, even if the near term is not great, that can change over time
  • PAC-12 is dead and has been dead since last year, Kliavkoff was never going to save this thing
  • Gonna be a fun(eral) season, who doesn't love those?
Hope springs eternal!

I hope you are right. The key is, do we land on our feet this cycle? survive until the next cycle (that would require the university not killing off major sports)?

I have zero doubt in the long run we will end up somewhere. Our geographical location is excellent, media market is great, number of alumni is top notch, and hopefully our major revenue sports make a comeback.

But as it stands, doesn't look great. Might have to go independent
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5:38p, 7/26/23
Who would you poach from the Big12 if you could?

I'd take BYU to give Utah their rival
I'd take TCU & Baylor to give us Texas

Then add SDSU & Colorado St. when USC & UCLA leave
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6:02p, 7/26/23
Cal Strong have no insider knowledge about this. But he has been saying for over a decade that the Pac either needs to bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals or else their place to the Pac will not be sustainable.

There no good reason why we could not have recruited BYU and Nebraska over the past 11 years.

Now we looking at losing Colorado and adding schools like SDSU and TCU. This weak and foolish.

Cal Strong has no idea if it is too late to get BYU and Nebraska to jump ship. But if there is even a speck of light there, the commissioner should stop considering schools like SDSU, Orange Coast College, UBC, and the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico -- and instead bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals!
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In reply to Cal Strong! • 6:24p, 7/26/23
Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong have no insider knowledge about this. But he has been saying for over a decade that the Pac either needs to bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals or else their place to the Pac will not be sustainable.

There no good reason why we could not have recruited BYU and Nebraska over the past 11 years.

Now we looking at losing Colorado and adding schools like SDSU and TCU. This weak and foolish.

Cal Strong has no idea if it is too late to get BYU and Nebraska to jump ship. But if there is even a speck of light there, the commissioner should stop considering schools like SDSU, Orange Coast College, UBC, and the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico -- and instead bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals!
I don't see why TCU would entertain jumping to the Pac. Realistically you're looking at SDSU, SMU, Colorado State, etc. as options.
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6:28p, 7/26/23
Ralphie!
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
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In reply to StillNoStanfurdium • 6:28p, 7/26/23
StillNoStanfurdium said:
Cal Strong! said:
I don't see why TCU would entertain jumping to the Pac. Realistically you're looking at SDSU, SMU, Colorado State, etc. as options.
Might end up with all three of those... if Empty Suit George ever lands a media deal worth signing.
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6:53p, 7/26/23
- MWC exit fee of $17MM to $34MM is going to be a concern for a quick fill in for a MWC team. Given a lower media deal in light of a possible mass exodus, what would the payback on that be for the MWC to flip to the PAC.

- I see the next iteration of media dealmaking for those not in the top 2 or 3 conferences is the schools that can, will get their own media deal and the rest getting some kind of UBI deal from the conference. The media companies can bundle these "independent" schools to hedge against cyclical on-field performance risk.

- future of PAC should be California-centric and drivable games.
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7:00p, 7/26/23
Pac-12 is done as we know it. Everyone is holding closed door meetings now. Oregon and Washington planning moves after Colorado announcement.
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In reply to GOLDEN • 7:11p, 7/26/23
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Pac-12 is done as we know it. Everyone is holding closed door meetings now. Oregon and Washington planning moves after Colorado announcement.

Doubtful.
Lots of speculation. Oregon and Washington need an invite before they can go anywhere.
And I don't think they want to be in the Big 12.
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In reply to Cal Strong! • 7:40p, 7/26/23
Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong have no insider knowledge about this. But he has been saying for over a decade that the Pac either needs to bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals or else their place to the Pac will not be sustainable.

There no good reason why we could not have recruited BYU and Nebraska over the past 11 years.

Now we looking at losing Colorado and adding schools like SDSU and TCU. This weak and foolish.

Cal Strong has no idea if it is too late to get BYU and Nebraska to jump ship. But if there is even a speck of light there, the commissioner should stop considering schools like SDSU, Orange Coast College, UBC, and the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico -- and instead bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals!
this is WEAK.

Nebraska maybe th ugly stepsister of the BiG, but there are 12 million reasons that they wouldn't even pick up the phone from the Pac. Even if they are moving cash around from General Fund, these numbers are staggering.

"Nebraska athletics had a terrific financial year between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, making more than $143 million in overall revenue and netting a $12,241,993 surplus compared to expenses.

Husker football itself made more than $62 million in surplus. "

https://huskerextra.com/news/football/mckewon-nebraska-football-and-athletics-is-swimming-in-enough-revenue-to-win-more-too/article_d03d5b32-9aa3-11ed-ac7c-3f8c6b6e5db4.html#:~:text=Nebraska%20athletics%20had%20a%20terrific,than%20%2462%20million%20in%20surplus.
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In reply to Big Dog • 7:57p, 7/26/23
Big Dog said:
Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong have no insider knowledge about this. But he has been saying for over a decade that the Pac either needs to bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals or else their place to the Pac will not be sustainable.

There no good reason why we could not have recruited BYU and Nebraska over the past 11 years.

Now we looking at losing Colorado and adding schools like SDSU and TCU. This weak and foolish.

Cal Strong has no idea if it is too late to get BYU and Nebraska to jump ship. But if there is even a speck of light there, the commissioner should stop considering schools like SDSU, Orange Coast College, UBC, and the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico -- and instead bring in Utah and Colorado's natural rivals!
this is WEAK.

Nebraska maybe th ugly stepsister of the BiG, but there are 12 million reasons that they wouldn't even pick up the phone from the Pac. Even if they are moving cash around from General Fund, these numbers are staggering.

"Nebraska athletics had a terrific financial year between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, making more than $143 million in overall revenue and netting a $12,241,993 surplus compared to expenses.

Husker football itself made more than $62 million in surplus. "

https://huskerextra.com/news/football/mckewon-nebraska-football-and-athletics-is-swimming-in-enough-revenue-to-win-more-too/article_d03d5b32-9aa3-11ed-ac7c-3f8c6b6e5db4.html#:~:text=Nebraska%20athletics%20had%20a%20terrific,than%20%2462%20million%20in%20surplus.
Strong ideas not WEAK! Only weak ideas weak!

Nebraska is a storied program who are historical and natural rivals with Colorado. The fact that they also rans in B1G and about to move two spots further down the pecking order the reason they might consider the Pac.

You never know until you ask. For strength's sake, a few years ago we were a centimeter away from landing Texas and Oklahoma. Now Big Dog think we not good enough for Nebraska.
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In reply to Cal Strong! • 8:13p, 7/26/23
I don't "think", I KNOW that we are not good enough for Nebraska. Why woudl anyone take. a massive payout just so they can do a home-and-home in the Paloose?

btw: Nebraska is under contract with the BiG. Just can't call them and make them an offer without having the BiG sue the Pac for tortious interference.

fwiw: I always thought BYU was an interesting case. Heck, they have their own cable network.
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