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Heard something interesting from two 'furd professors. They are academics, so I doubt they are very in the loop w athletics, but they mentioned something interesting.

They said they are hearing that Stanford has no interest in joining the MWC, and is not interested in lashing itself to Cal's mast and only considering package deals w another power-4/5 conference either. They would strongly consider a move to a power conference with a school other than Cal, and if it were the b12, probably a school like Fresno State (existing strong b12 relationship) or SD State (socal viewership) and forming a pod of sorts out west w the former Pac schools and BYU in the big12. This seems to be their best hope. Many believe Cal offers little appeal as a partner, and further believe pairing with a different media market is the way to get Stanfurd the highest annual share of media revenue, as they attracted far better viewership this last decade in football than Cal (this read is sobering AF: https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-viewers-did-your-ncaa-team-attract ). The Big Game would theoretically be maintained (perhaps not annually) and played OOC, assuming Cal would agree, which they believe Cal would bc it will be Cal's biggest revenue game.

IDK if it is true, but it would permanently position Stanford over Cal athletically, and it would leave 'furd athletic programs in the best overall position they could hope for at this point. I want to be skeptical, but I don't know why they wouldn't seriously consider that sort of move. Then it will be MWC or bust for Cal, which 'furd fans would of course lord over Cal fans.

If they don't do it right away, I would look to steal that move, pair with SD State and try to join the b12 if at all possible. Immediately. Just sort of doubt Cal gets into a a decent conference the way it has crapped the bed with its pathetic Atbletic Dept.

EDIT: and now I see people posting about Cal alreafy doing this, sorry, hadn't heard that yet.

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That is nuts.

Stanford alums love their games with Cal, USC, Notre Dame and UCLA. Look at their attendance figures.

Cal needs to cement and grow our relationships with those 4 schools. If we instead "beat Stanford to the punch and jumped to the B12 with Fresno State" Stanford would probably just tie themselves to Notre Dame and wait to get into the B1G with them. It would be suicide for Cal.

Again, we need to be working with Stanford, UCLA, USC and Notre Dame, first to get Cal and Stanford into the B1G, but failing that sticking with Stanford in the PAC-4 for a year or going independent, maintaining our games with the other 4 and getting Apple (which both schools have close ties to) as a least one of our media partners.

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The problem Fresno State has is they are a Tier 2 school because UCDavis refused to offer joint PhD degrees with any of the valley Cal States. The academic standing gives the Presidents pause.

But the Fresno President has had weekly calls with Yormark and the Big 12 Presidents. He has a relationship. The Big 12 is intrigued by owning the valley and with Fresno and Cal they could really own much above the Tehachapi's.

If I am the Cal President, I'm calling the Fresno President and offering to put together a joint proposal with the Big 12. Not going head to head the USC in SoCal, gives you an elite school but also a school people can attend. Cal fixes Fresno's T1 problem.

It's as good a shot as any.

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I'm not even a Cal fan as I went to school in the midwest and the south. I came here for the first time to read sentiment, but I never expected a Fresno State fan sign up for an account and shill his school on this board.

Seriously all your ideas are terrible and if you haven't noticed it Cal fans are ignoring you, so feel free to stop.

No doubt you'll reply with Cal football should just disband as you've already said multiple times and other passive aggressive ****, which, hey, is irrelevant to me so go on right ahead.

Welcome!

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The problem Fresno State has is they are a Tier 2 school because UCDavis refused to offer joint PhD degrees with any of the valley Cal States. The academic standing gives the Presidents pause.

But the Fresno President has had weekly calls with Yormark and the Big 12 Presidents. He has a relationship. The Big 12 is intrigued by owning the valley and with Fresno and Cal they could really own much above the Tehachapi's.

If I am the Cal President, I'm calling the Fresno President and offering to put together a joint proposal with the Big 12. Not going head to head the USC in SoCal, gives you an elite school but also a school people can attend. Cal fixes Fresno's T1 problem.

It's as good a shot as any.

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I'm not even a Cal fan as I went to school in the midwest and the south. I came here for the first time to read sentiment, but I never expected a Fresno State fan sign up for an account and shill his school on this board.

Seriously all your ideas are terrible and if you haven't noticed it Cal fans are ignoring you, so feel free to stop.

No doubt you'll reply with Cal football should just disband as you've already said multiple times and other passive aggressive ****, which, hey, is irrelevant to me so go on right ahead. Also, your academic jealousy is also seeping out quite openly.

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I wouldn't be that hard on him.

It's funny because I was labeled a "Fresno Troll" a few months ago on here for some at the time contrarian ideas and I've been a member of this site since 2015 (also have a Berkeley degree).

I've interacted with SacTownDog on other sites (I didn't think to create one username for all my Interneting, like him). He's a "rally the troops" kind of guy and I think he's taking the macro view of the situation and trying to press advantage for the MWC and whoever PAC that wants to join. Remember starting from $4 million a year revenue, but wanting $30+ million, gives you a different perspective on life (and drive).

I've been pretty dormant on this site prior to realignment (just lurk), other than the 2016 March Madness game between Hawaii and Cal and the 2017 Hawaii-Cal Australia game, because there's not much for me to talk about here until this thing started to unravel and possibly new ideas might be considered.

SacTownDog, I don't think even attended Fresno State, but he's very big on building up the Central Valley. I really believe at this time, things need to change and creating cross CA regional rivalries as disgusting as it sounds for the shell shocked fanbases, is good for the sport, and will generate revenue, passion. He wants to press advantage and timing is key. Right now, the Big 12 still could try to poach another school. The MWC media deal could be expanded with potential additions. Apple might be sticking around. All of these things that George and Gloria should be working out now.

Hawaii Haas said:

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alstreamer said:

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Sactowndog said:

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The problem Fresno State has is they are a Tier 2 school because UCDavis refused to offer joint PhD degrees with any of the valley Cal States. The academic standing gives the Presidents pause.

But the Fresno President has had weekly calls with Yormark and the Big 12 Presidents. He has a relationship. The Big 12 is intrigued by owning the valley and with Fresno and Cal they could really own much above the Tehachapi's.

If I am the Cal President, I'm calling the Fresno President and offering to put together a joint proposal with the Big 12. Not going head to head the USC in SoCal, gives you an elite school but also a school people can attend. Cal fixes Fresno's T1 problem.

It's as good a shot as any.

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I'm not even a Cal fan as I went to school in the midwest and the south. I came here for the first time to read sentiment, but I never expected a Fresno State fan sign up for an account and shill his school on this board.

Seriously all your ideas are terrible and if you haven't noticed it Cal fans are ignoring you, so feel free to stop.

No doubt you'll reply with Cal football should just disband as you've already said multiple times and other passive aggressive ****, which, hey, is irrelevant to me so go on right ahead. Also, your academic jealousy is also seeping out quite openly.

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I won't be that hard on him.

It's funny because I was labeled a "Fresno Troll" a few months ago on here for some at the time contrarian ideas and I've been a member of this site since 2015 (also have a Berkeley degree).

I've interacted with SacTownDog on other sites (I didn't think to create one username for all my Interneting, like him). He's a "rally the troops" kind of guy and I think he's taking the macro view of the situation and trying to press advantage for the MWC and whoever PAC that wants to join. Remember starting from $4 million a year revenue, but wanting $30+ million, gives you a different perspective on life (and drive).

I've been pretty dormant on this site prior to realignment (just lurk), other than the 2016 March Madness game between Hawaii and Cal and the 2017 Hawaii-Cal Australia game, because there's not much for me to talk about here until this thing started to unravel and possibly new ideas might be considered.

SacTownDog, I don't think even attended Fresno State, but he's very big on building up the Central Valley. I really believe at this time, things need to change and creating cross CA regional rivalries as disgusting as it sounds for the shell shocked fanbases, is good for the sport, and will generate revenue, passion. He wants to press advantage and timing is key. Right now, the Big 12 still could try to poach another school. The MWC media deal could be expanded with potential additions. Apple might be sticking around. All of these things that George and Gloria should be working out now.

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The Central Valley has a much closer kinship with SEC country historically, politically and philosophically. That said, there isn't much choice left for the second tier programs out west. Stanford can do pretty much whatever it wants.

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Heard something interesting from two 'furd professors. They are academics, so I doubt they are very in the loop w athletics, but they mentioned something interesting.

They said they are hearing that Stanford has no interest in joining the MWC, and is not interested in lashing itself to Cal's mast and only considering package deals w another power-4/5 conference either. They would strongly consider a move to a power conference with a school other than Cal, and if it were the b12, probably a school like Fresno State (existing strong b12 relationship) or SD State (socal viewership) and forming a pod of sorts out west w the former Pac schools and BYU in the big12. This seems to be their best hope. Many believe Cal offers little appeal as a partner, and further believe pairing with a different media market is the way to get Stanfurd the highest annual share of media revenue, as they attracted far better viewership this last decade in football than Cal (this read is sobering AF: https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-viewers-did-your-ncaa-team-attract ). The Big Game would theoretically be maintained (perhaps not annually) and played OOC, assuming Cal would agree, which they believe Cal would bc it will be Cal's biggest revenue game.

IDK if it is true, but it would permanently position Stanford over Cal athletically, and it would leave 'furd athletic programs in the best overall position they could hope for at this point. I want to be skeptical, but I don't know why they wouldn't seriously consider that sort of move. Then it will be MWC or bust for Cal, which 'furd fans would of course lord over Cal fans.

If they don't do it right away, I would look to steal that move, pair with SD State and try to join the b12 if at all possible. Immediately. Just sort of doubt Cal gets into a a decent conference the way it has crapped the bed with its pathetic Atbletic Dept.

EDIT: and now I see people posting about Cal alreafy doing this, sorry, hadn't heard that yet.

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That is nuts.

Stanford alums love their games with Cal, USC, Notre Dame and UCLA. Look at their attendance figures.

Cal needs to cement and grow our relationships with those 4 schools. If we instead "beat Stanford to the punch and jumped to the B12 with Fresno State" Stanford would probably just tie themselves to Notre Dame and wait to get into the B1G with them. It would be suicide for Cal.

Again, we need to be working with Stanford, UCLA, USC and Notre Dame, first to get Cal and Stanford into the B1G, but failing that sticking with Stanford in the PAC-4 for a year or going independent, maintaining our games with the other 4 and getting Apple (which both schools have close ties to) as a least one of our media partners.

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While I'm all for cultivating a relationship with ND, I don't see that as being helpful to going to the B1G. If ND wanted to go there, they'd have done it already. They have peculiar scheduling desires, and they will either stay indy or go to a conference in which they can be a giant fish in a small pond. Unlike the Pac 12, ND could probably do very well with a streaming deal.

I agree 100% we should at least be talking about Stanford and figure out if they want to go forward together with Cal or figure out their own path, with or without us. Same with Washington State and Oregon State.

Not sure I see USCs or UCLAs motivation to help Cal, and I view them - and will always view them going forward - as the schools that screwed us. Less so with SC, because they are private and a football factory and have always been like that. UCLA? UCLA gave zero thought to how this would impact their fellow UC school and will give zero consideration to our predicament now. And the Regents are apparently fine with it.

I agree with the posts that have suggested a $1,000 per student fee that would be called something else, but would be the "UCLA screwed us fee."

If the choice is independent, Mountain West, or Pac 4, as a practical matter I think it will be MWC. Pac 4 could be an interesting bridge option, however. But Pac 4 with some kind of Apple deal that will be < $20M but hopefully more than $4-5 would have a lot of the earmarks of being an independent. It's almost like conference scheduling in reverse - 3 conference games and 8 OOC. And we could build on that Pac 4 with other pieces as the landscape elsewhere continues to shift. Maybe in two years, the B1G will call, or we become an attractive merger partner for another conference.

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calumnus said:

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vanity said:

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Heard something interesting from two 'furd professors. They are academics, so I doubt they are very in the loop w athletics, but they mentioned something interesting.

They said they are hearing that Stanford has no interest in joining the MWC, and is not interested in lashing itself to Cal's mast and only considering package deals w another power-4/5 conference either. They would strongly consider a move to a power conference with a school other than Cal, and if it were the b12, probably a school like Fresno State (existing strong b12 relationship) or SD State (socal viewership) and forming a pod of sorts out west w the former Pac schools and BYU in the big12. This seems to be their best hope. Many believe Cal offers little appeal as a partner, and further believe pairing with a different media market is the way to get Stanfurd the highest annual share of media revenue, as they attracted far better viewership this last decade in football than Cal (this read is sobering AF: https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-viewers-did-your-ncaa-team-attract ). The Big Game would theoretically be maintained (perhaps not annually) and played OOC, assuming Cal would agree, which they believe Cal would bc it will be Cal's biggest revenue game.

IDK if it is true, but it would permanently position Stanford over Cal athletically, and it would leave 'furd athletic programs in the best overall position they could hope for at this point. I want to be skeptical, but I don't know why they wouldn't seriously consider that sort of move. Then it will be MWC or bust for Cal, which 'furd fans would of course lord over Cal fans.

If they don't do it right away, I would look to steal that move, pair with SD State and try to join the b12 if at all possible. Immediately. Just sort of doubt Cal gets into a a decent conference the way it has crapped the bed with its pathetic Atbletic Dept.

EDIT: and now I see people posting about Cal alreafy doing this, sorry, hadn't heard that yet.

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That is nuts.

Stanford alums love their games with Cal, USC, Notre Dame and UCLA. Look at their attendance figures.

Cal needs to cement and grow our relationships with those 4 schools. If we instead "beat Stanford to the punch and jumped to the B12 with Fresno State" Stanford would probably just tie themselves to Notre Dame and wait to get into the B1G with them. It would be suicide for Cal.

Again, we need to be working with Stanford, UCLA, USC and Notre Dame, first to get Cal and Stanford into the B1G, but failing that sticking with Stanford in the PAC-4 for a year or going independent, maintaining our games with the other 4 and getting Apple (which both schools have close ties to) as a least one of our media partners.

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While I'm all for cultivating a relationship with ND, I don't see that as being helpful to going to the B1G. If ND wanted to go there, they'd have done it already. They have peculiar scheduling desires, and they will either stay indy or go to a conference in which they can be a giant fish in a small pond. Unlike the Pac 12, ND could probably do very well with a streaming deal.

I agree 100% we should at least be talking about Stanford and figure out if they want to go forward together with Cal or figure out their own path, with or without us. Same with Washington State and Oregon State.

Not sure I see USCs or UCLAs motivation to help Cal, and I view them - and will always view them going forward - as the schools that screwed us. Less so with SC, because they are private and a football factory and have always been like that. UCLA? UCLA gave zero thought to how this would impact their fellow UC school and will give zero consideration to our predicament now. And the Regents are apparently fine with it.

I agree with the posts that have suggested a $1,000 per student fee that would be called something else, but would be the "UCLA screwed us fee."

If the choice is independent, Mountain West, or Pac 4, as a practical matter I think it will be MWC. Pac 4 could be an interesting bridge option, however. But Pac 4 with some kind of Apple deal that will be < $20M but hopefully more than $4-5 would have a lot of the earmarks of being an independent. It's almost like conference scheduling in reverse - 3 conference games and 8 OOC. And we could build on that Pac 4 with other pieces as the landscape elsewhere continues to shift. Maybe in two years, the B1G will call, or we become an attractive merger partner for another conference.

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If we don't get a B1G invite in the week or so I think it is curtains for Cal athletics. There is just no way we can survive two years as an independent. We can't even function when we are in a conference and all of a sudden we are going to run the whole show by ourselves? And in a way that gets us into the B1G in two years after zero recruits want to play for us? Ivy League guys would have even less incentive now to to come to Cal over there.

I do think it is too late - B1G would have nabbed us for cheap if Carol had anything at all to sell but clearly she didn't. B1G will not waste their time with a financially strapped, politically charged, and poorly run football program. They can wait for the ACC to implode now.

Edit: This isn't UCLA/USC's fault. Unless we realize this is 100% on years of mismanagement and lack of leadership, we will never get better. The college football landscape was changing and those two schools (and the other 6) all had the leadership and decision making capabilities to land in a good spot. We were typiCal.

Well, this must suck for you all. I got my undergraduate degree at Ohio State and have kind of missed the old Pac 12 Big 10 Rose Bowl and conference competition. So connecting the B1G with Pac 12 might be good for me - like great games on the telly.

The B1G schools are all AAU except Nebraska. Academics are as important to the B1G as it was to the Pac 12. I suspect there is more of a chance of Stanford and Cal getting into the B1G than you are projecting - because of academics. (Though, I've read keeping you out was part of the USC/UCLA deal.) $70 million a year from a media contract can help fix athletic performance. As it is, there is something wrong in the world and, in my mind, Stanford and Cal in the B1G is probably the only reasonable fix.

I got my MBA from Nevada and would prefer that the Pac 4 and MWC merge, but know that won't happen. And by the way, the Pack beat the Bears in football the last 3 times they played. I still have my fancy memorial ticket from the inaugural game opening the renovated stadium. Boy, that was fun!

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vanity said:

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Heard something interesting from two 'furd professors. They are academics, so I doubt they are very in the loop w athletics, but they mentioned something interesting.

They said they are hearing that Stanford has no interest in joining the MWC, and is not interested in lashing itself to Cal's mast and only considering package deals w another power-4/5 conference either. They would strongly consider a move to a power conference with a school other than Cal, and if it were the b12, probably a school like Fresno State (existing strong b12 relationship) or SD State (socal viewership) and forming a pod of sorts out west w the former Pac schools and BYU in the big12. This seems to be their best hope. Many believe Cal offers little appeal as a partner, and further believe pairing with a different media market is the way to get Stanfurd the highest annual share of media revenue, as they attracted far better viewership this last decade in football than Cal (this read is sobering AF: https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-viewers-did-your-ncaa-team-attract ). The Big Game would theoretically be maintained (perhaps not annually) and played OOC, assuming Cal would agree, which they believe Cal would bc it will be Cal's biggest revenue game.

IDK if it is true, but it would permanently position Stanford over Cal athletically, and it would leave 'furd athletic programs in the best overall position they could hope for at this point. I want to be skeptical, but I don't know why they wouldn't seriously consider that sort of move. Then it will be MWC or bust for Cal, which 'furd fans would of course lord over Cal fans.

If they don't do it right away, I would look to steal that move, pair with SD State and try to join the b12 if at all possible. Immediately. Just sort of doubt Cal gets into a a decent conference the way it has crapped the bed with its pathetic Atbletic Dept.

EDIT: and now I see people posting about Cal alreafy doing this, sorry, hadn't heard that yet.

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That is nuts.

Stanford alums love their games with Cal, USC, Notre Dame and UCLA. Look at their attendance figures.

Cal needs to cement and grow our relationships with those 4 schools. If we instead "beat Stanford to the punch and jumped to the B12 with Fresno State" Stanford would probably just tie themselves to Notre Dame and wait to get into the B1G with them. It would be suicide for Cal.

Again, we need to be working with Stanford, UCLA, USC and Notre Dame, first to get Cal and Stanford into the B1G, but failing that sticking with Stanford in the PAC-4 for a year or going independent, maintaining our games with the other 4 and getting Apple (which both schools have close ties to) as a least one of our media partners.

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You keep going on about us working with Stanford UCLA SC. Stanford ok, yes. But there is absolutely no basis, apart from travel, that USC and UCLA would want us in the B1G. None. I simply do not understand how they would even want to. There is zero reason that they would want us in the B1G apart from travel and we know how they feel about that since they have already decided to leave.

I don't really know what the play is going to be between the B12 and the MWC. But it makes no sense that USC UCLA or Notre Dame would want to listen to what we have to say. I'm sure we've already talked to them and they probably politely told us to go pound sand.

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The problem Fresno State has is they are a Tier 2 school because UCDavis refused to offer joint PhD degrees with any of the valley Cal States. The academic standing gives the Presidents pause.

But the Fresno President has had weekly calls with Yormark and the Big 12 Presidents. He has a relationship. The Big 12 is intrigued by owning the valley and with Fresno and Cal they could really own much above the Tehachapi's.

If I am the Cal President, I'm calling the Fresno President and offering to put together a joint proposal with the Big 12. Not going head to head the USC in SoCal, gives you an elite school but also a school people can attend. Cal fixes Fresno's T1 problem.

It's as good a shot as any.

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I'm not even a Cal fan as I went to school in the midwest and the south. I came here for the first time to read sentiment, but I never expected a Fresno State fan sign up for an account and shill his school on this board.

Seriously all your ideas are terrible and if you haven't noticed it Cal fans are ignoring you, so feel free to stop.

No doubt you'll reply with Cal football should just disband as you've already said multiple times and other passive aggressive ****, which, hey, is irrelevant to me so go on right ahead. Also, your academic jealousy is also seeping out quite openly.

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I won't be that hard on him.

It's funny because I was labeled a "Fresno Troll" a few months ago on here for some at the time contrarian ideas and I've been a member of this site since 2015 (also have a Berkeley degree).

I've interacted with SacTownDog on other sites (I didn't think to create one username for all my Interneting, like him). He's a "rally the troops" kind of guy and I think he's taking the macro view of the situation and trying to press advantage for the MWC and whoever PAC that wants to join. Remember starting from $4 million a year revenue, but wanting $30+ million, gives you a different perspective on life (and drive).

I've been pretty dormant on this site prior to realignment (just lurk), other than the 2016 March Madness game between Hawaii and Cal and the 2017 Hawaii-Cal Australia game, because there's not much for me to talk about here until this thing started to unravel and possibly new ideas might be considered.

SacTownDog, I don't think even attended Fresno State, but he's very big on building up the Central Valley. I really believe at this time, things need to change and creating cross CA regional rivalries as disgusting as it sounds for the shell shocked fanbases, is good for the sport, and will generate revenue, passion. He wants to press advantage and timing is key. Right now, the Big 12 still could try to poach another school. The MWC media deal could be expanded with potential additions. Apple might be sticking around. All of these things that George and Gloria should be working out now.

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The Central Valley has a much closer kinship with SEC country historically, politically and philosophically. That said, there isn't much choice left for the second tier programs out west. Stanford can do pretty much whatever it wants.

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Actually the Central Valley has closer kinship with Big 12 country. It's jokingly called Greater Oklahoma for a reason. But those ties could be leveraged to Cal's advantage.

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The problem Fresno State has is they are a Tier 2 school because UCDavis refused to offer joint PhD degrees with any of the valley Cal States. The academic standing gives the Presidents pause.

But the Fresno President has had weekly calls with Yormark and the Big 12 Presidents. He has a relationship. The Big 12 is intrigued by owning the valley and with Fresno and Cal they could really own much above the Tehachapi's.

If I am the Cal President, I'm calling the Fresno President and offering to put together a joint proposal with the Big 12. Not going head to head the USC in SoCal, gives you an elite school but also a school people can attend. Cal fixes Fresno's T1 problem.

It's as good a shot as any.

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I'm not even a Cal fan as I went to school in the midwest and the south. I came here for the first time to read sentiment, but I never expected a Fresno State fan sign up for an account and shill his school on this board.

Seriously all your ideas are terrible and if you haven't noticed it Cal fans are ignoring you, so feel free to stop.

No doubt you'll reply with Cal football should just disband as you've already said multiple times and other passive aggressive ****, which, hey, is irrelevant to me so go on right ahead. Also, your academic jealousy is also seeping out quite openly.

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I won't be that hard on him.

It's funny because I was labeled a "Fresno Troll" a few months ago on here for some at the time contrarian ideas and I've been a member of this site since 2015 (also have a Berkeley degree).

I've interacted with SacTownDog on other sites (I didn't think to create one username for all my Interneting, like him). He's a "rally the troops" kind of guy and I think he's taking the macro view of the situation and trying to press advantage for the MWC and whoever PAC that wants to join. Remember starting from $4 million a year revenue, but wanting $30+ million, gives you a different perspective on life (and drive).

I've been pretty dormant on this site prior to realignment (just lurk), other than the 2016 March Madness game between Hawaii and Cal and the 2017 Hawaii-Cal Australia game, because there's not much for me to talk about here until this thing started to unravel and possibly new ideas might be considered.

SacTownDog, I don't think even attended Fresno State, but he's very big on building up the Central Valley. I really believe at this time, things need to change and creating cross CA regional rivalries as disgusting as it sounds for the shell shocked fanbases, is good for the sport, and will generate revenue, passion. He wants to press advantage and timing is key. Right now, the Big 12 still could try to poach another school. The MWC media deal could be expanded with potential additions. Apple might be sticking around. All of these things that George and Gloria should be working out now.

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The Central Valley has a much closer kinship with SEC country historically, politically and philosophically. That said, there isn't much choice left for the second tier programs out west. Stanford can do pretty much whatever it wants.

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Actually the Central Valley has closer kinship with Big 12 country. It's jokingly called Greater Oklahoma for a reason. But those ties could be leveraged to Cal's advantage.

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Eh, not sure about that. I think Kings County is more Greater Oklahoma than Fresno County. Fresno County voted for Biden in 2020. 53% I think. You don't get those numbers in Oklahoma. I would agree tho that they are more Big12 than Pac in terms of "cultural fit".

I don't think the Big West is a lock as others do. There is this unwritten balance issue between the UC's and CSU's. The Cal State's made equal balance a requirement after they initially blocked UC San Diego from joining alone. They needed Cal State Bakersfield to be packaged with UCSD before letting the Tritons in.

If the CSU's were that bothered by UCSD, how will they react to Berkeley? You'd need at least three of them to sign off.

Not to mention it comes right in the middle of a fight to allow the CSU's to offer Doctoral degrees. Not going to help getting 3 to sign off.

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Not to mention it comes right in the middle of a fight to allow the CSU's to offer Doctoral degrees. Not going to help getting 3 to sign off.

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Doesn't mean it can't be done. Just that there are a couple potential obstacles.