How some of you continue to support Wilner is beyond me?

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5:30p, 8/25/23
Putting my best trump hat on I would like it be known that I will now only refer to the poser previously known as Jon Wilner as Wilner Fud from here on out.
This guy is an absolute clown writing behind a paywall trashing us with his dog doo opinions on Cal with his udubb crap degree bashing the Bay Area schools incessently whilst living in the Bay Area. The mercury news should fire this misinformation troll asap and send his midget ass back to Seattle to live in darkness and gloom.
The irony behind what he claims compared to his sacred udubb is beyond laughable.
Seriously **** this guy.
I dare him to show up to a cal game on the east side.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/mailbag-why-are-stanford-cal-pushing-to-join-acc-and-where-would-that-leave-wsu-oregon-state/?amp=1
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5:35p, 8/25/23
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6:19p, 8/25/23
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
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6:25p, 8/25/23
I wonder if Jon is getting a commission still from the Wilcox contract he helped initiate.

lol
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In reply to JimSox • 6:26p, 8/25/23
JimSox said:
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
Auerbach has to be right or closer to right. There's a minimum number of sports a team has to play in the same conference in which they play men's and women's basketball. I don't feel like looking the rule up ATM, but it's something like four men's team sports and six women's team sports in addition to basketball.
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In reply to BearSD • 6:52p, 8/25/23
BearSD said:
JimSox said:
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
Auerbach has to be right or closer to right. There's a minimum number of sports a team has to play in the same conference in which they play men's and women's basketball. I don't feel like looking the rule up ATM, but it's something like four men's team sports and six women's team sports in addition to basketball.


I think that is true but there have also been exceptions made by the NCAA, who I can't imagine has a ton of credibility to push back on a full conference soliciting for a waiver if desired.
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7:29p, 8/25/23
I didn't find the commentary of Wilner saying the wounds are self inflicted by Calford or the Pac 12 to be that offensive, and they seemed to be the narrative you hear from everyone else.

I think Wilner is out his mind if he thinks Calford could even do close to as well in a reconstituted Pac or that the Pac has access to some funds (learn how to read f'ing financial statement Jon). There is a reason Calford is desperate to get into the ACC. There is no conference reconstitution where a Mountain West team had to pay a $32 million buy out. This is the most idiotic thing Jon has ever said, and he has said some really idiotic things.
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In reply to JimSox • 8:47p, 8/25/23
JimSox said:
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
You are mistaken. I have never said it would only be those three sports. What I have shared is that Cal and Stanford are hoping to have 18 sports included BUT that they would settle for less if necessary.
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In reply to CNHTH • 8:54p, 8/25/23
CNHTH said:
Putting my best trump hat on
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In reply to BearGreg • 8:55p, 8/25/23
BearGreg said:
JimSox said:
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
You are mistaken. I have never said it would only be those three sports. What I have shared is that Cal and Stanford are hoping to have 18 sports included BUT that they would settle for less if necessary.


Ah yes, I was mistaken. So sorry. Must have been someone else who said that. Anyway now there's word that once again ACC presidents canceled a meeting where they were going to vote tonight. Any update you can provide?
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 8:57p, 8/25/23
wifeisafurd said:
I didn't find the commentary of Wilner saying the wounds are self inflicted by Calford or the Pac 12 to be that offensive, and they seemed to be the narrative you hear from everyone else.

I think Wilner is out his mind if he thinks Calford could even do close to as well in a reconstituted Pac or that the Pac has access to some funds (learn how to read f'ing financial statement Jon). There is a reason Calford is desperate to get into the ACC. There is no conference reconstitution where a Mountain West team had to pay a $32 million buy out. This is the most idiotic thing Jon has ever said, and he has said some really idiotic things.

I'm sorry but when he stated that "the pac 12 dissolution is the fault of cal and Stanford" and basically in not so many words "how dare they leave oregon st and Washington st poor oregon st and Washington st"
He is attempting to deflect from his alma mater and usc's role / responsibility for pac 12 conference dissolution and trying to pin it on us because we retrofited a 90 year old historical landmark.
Can't wait to see how husky stadium does when the cascadia finally ruptures. Hopefully he'll be up their covering a husky game when it does.
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9:56p, 8/25/23
You spelled Wilcox wrong
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10:09p, 8/25/23
I didn't read it as him saying Calford is responsible for the dissolution of the pac. Seemed to be saying that their plight is of their own doing for not trying to play with the big boys earlier.
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In reply to CNHTH • 10:26p, 8/25/23
CNHTH said:
wifeisafurd said:
I didn't find the commentary of Wilner saying the wounds are self inflicted by Calford or the Pac 12 to be that offensive, and they seemed to be the narrative you hear from everyone else.

I think Wilner is out his mind if he thinks Calford could even do close to as well in a reconstituted Pac or that the Pac has access to some funds (learn how to read f'ing financial statement Jon). There is a reason Calford is desperate to get into the ACC. There is no conference reconstitution where a Mountain West team had to pay a $32 million buy out. This is the most idiotic thing Jon has ever said, and he has said some really idiotic things.

I'm sorry but when he stated that "the pac 12 dissolution is the fault of cal and Stanford" and basically in not so many words "how dare they leave oregon st and Washington st poor oregon st and Washington st"
He is attempting to deflect from his alma mater and usc's role / responsibility for pac 12 conference dissolution and trying to pin it on us because we retrofited a 90 year old historical landmark.
Can't wait to see how husky stadium does when the cascadia finally ruptures. Hopefully he'll be up their covering a husky game when it does.
No where in the article does he say that.
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In reply to JimSox • 11:31p, 8/25/23
JimSox said:
BearGreg said:
JimSox said:
Ignoring the OP's point here, just want to say that the Wilner article assumes Olympic sports will be going along for the ride should the ACC ever actually make up its mind here. Last I heard ACC powers that be were trying to decide which sports would be part of the deal. Bear Greg told us no, it would only be football and men's and women's basketball. I think Wilner himself said the same thing at one point. Nicole Auerbach (?) said it would indeed be other sports.
Anyone know or wish to hazard any informed speculation on how this is shaking out?
You are mistaken. I have never said it would only be those three sports. What I have shared is that Cal and Stanford are hoping to have 18 sports included BUT that they would settle for less if necessary.


Ah yes, I was mistaken. So sorry. Must have been someone else who said that. Anyway now there's word that once again ACC presidents canceled a meeting where they were going to vote tonight. Any update you can provide?
To set the record straight, it was Michael Silver of the Chronicle who said this, not BearGreg (or Wilner), in a tweet on Wednesday of this week:

"The Cal-Stanford ACC talks are centered around a football-basketball only model, I am told. It's unclear what would happen in terms of the other sports (and there are many, and they are GOOD) and conference affiliation."

Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic contradicted that six minutes later, saying it would be all sports. I should check such things before I speak. Thanks for correcting me, BearGreg.

But I'm still wondering, as are we all, when this weeks-long twisting in the wind will end!
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2:35a, 8/26/23
Canazo and Winler is the best Pac-12 podcast.

i feel like I'm in the no listening to them.
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4:36a, 8/26/23
Wilner is like a single candle standing lit in the middle of a dark vast cave. He is simultaneously recognized for his brilliance and for being completely in the dark. Many wish to blow him out, but then they too would be in the dark.
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9:10a, 8/26/23
I understand being sensitive about unfair criticism of Cal, but in this case Wilner simply says that Cal and Stanford failed to recognize the financial realities of modern college athletics and clung to an outdated model, and that's why they're now in a desperate situation. No lies detected.
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 9:18a, 8/26/23
wifeisafurd said:
CNHTH said:
wifeisafurd said:
I didn't find the commentary of Wilner saying the wounds are self inflicted by Calford or the Pac 12 to be that offensive, and they seemed to be the narrative you hear from everyone else.

I think Wilner is out his mind if he thinks Calford could even do close to as well in a reconstituted Pac or that the Pac has access to some funds (learn how to read f'ing financial statement Jon). There is a reason Calford is desperate to get into the ACC. There is no conference reconstitution where a Mountain West team had to pay a $32 million buy out. This is the most idiotic thing Jon has ever said, and he has said some really idiotic things.

I'm sorry but when he stated that "the pac 12 dissolution is the fault of cal and Stanford" and basically in not so many words "how dare they leave oregon st and Washington st poor oregon st and Washington st"
He is attempting to deflect from his alma mater and usc's role / responsibility for pac 12 conference dissolution and trying to pin it on us because we retrofited a 90 year old historical landmark.
Can't wait to see how husky stadium does when the cascadia finally ruptures. Hopefully he'll be up their covering a husky game when it does.
No where in the article does he say that.
He's a Trump head. I wouldn't expect reading and comprehension to be his strong suit.
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In reply to CALiforniALUM • 10:03a, 8/26/23
CALiforniALUM said:
Wilner is like a single candle standing lit in the middle of a dark vast cave. He is simultaneously recognized for his brilliance and for being completely in the dark. Many wish to blow him out, but then they too would be in the dark.
Canzona and Wilner really are the only journalists that follow(ed) the Pac in detail.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:11a, 8/26/23
sycasey said:
I understand being sensitive about unfair criticism of Cal, but in this case Wilner simply says that Cal and Stanford failed to recognize the financial realities of modern college athletics and clung to an outdated model, and that's why they're now in a desperate situation. No lies detected.
My biggest criticism of Wilber is that he & Canzano seem to let the powers that be at Oregon State and WSU off the hook completely, especially the OSU AD who has clearly been one of their primary sources. Canzano has at least said, he's "kicking himself" for not questioning his sources more and for not digging deeper, but Wilber still claims he was skeptical enough. So much of his criticism of Cal and its administration has been accurate, even painfully so and over the top on occasion, and while he didn't predict the Pac falling apart, he was calling out Cal for the things that have resulted in us having to tin cup to the ACC.
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In reply to Bobodeluxe • 10:22a, 8/26/23
Think his clown pal Canzano was the misinformation culprit when it came to the bogus Oregon "offer" Wilcox got…an Offer never confirmed by a single source on the record in Oregon admin nor a single term of said offer ever disclosed. This misinfo led to the dumbest contract extension in Cal football history.

Yeah - Oregon was going to hire a guy who's never had a winning conference record and can't recruit at a high level. Yeah right.
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In reply to SmellinRoses • 11:28a, 8/26/23
SmellinRoses said:
Think his clown pal Canzano was the misinformation culprit when it came to the bogus Oregon "offer" Wilcox got…an Offer never confirmed by a single source on the record in Oregon admin nor a single term of said offer ever disclosed. This misinfo led to the dumbest contract extension in Cal football history.

Yeah - Oregon was going to hire a guy who's never had a winning conference record and can't recruit at a high level. Yeah right.
https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/justin-wilcox-responds-to-oregon-question

Oregon and Oregon fans would've vehemently denied offering Wilcox if they never did. No one wants to have it out there that they were shut down by a coach with a losing record if they never offered. Also, a beat writer and podcaster with Fox Sports Eugene asked me who I thought Cal would hire to replace Wilcox after Oregon offered him and was incredulous when I told him I thought Wilcox would turn them down. And there was a lot more than that out there at the time, too.

The first time that Wilcox supposedly got an offer from Oregon I believe was just an idea that was just floated but never officially acted upon but the second time around was a different story.

Cal foolishly guaranteed a longterm contract they had no way to get out of but that's a different issue.
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11:33a, 8/26/23
$30 million for square jaw is a bargain as long as the air raid is gone forever.

Oh, wait.
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In reply to Bobodeluxe • 11:57a, 8/26/23
Bobodeluxe said:
$30 million for square jaw is a bargain as long as the air raid is gone forever.

Oh, wait.
IMO, Spav's offense will be more productive than any offense Cal has had since the last time he was here.
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12:13p, 8/26/23
At least we lose by single digit snoozers than double digit shootouts!
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