"When the CFP Management Committee [last] met, the Pac-12 -- after announced departures -- still had four remaining members," Sankey said. "Later that week, Stanford and Cal moved. We have not gathered again. Respectfully, the Pac-12 still exists. There has to be clarity on its future and direction."

"There is a need for clarity on what's going to happen out West, but the strength of the Pac-12 and, I mean this respectfully to Washington State and Oregon State ... that strength has migrated into other conferences," Sankey said.

Sounds like waiting for Wazzou and Oregon state to make their move. Lawsuit is really dragging things out

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Today and tomorrow's CFP meetings should be interesting for George Kliavkoff lol. Will they even let him vote on the future format rules for 2024 and 2025 playoffs? How much say does he have? Does he only represent the interests of Wash State and Oregon State?

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The AD's do show up and vote for stuff, but the ultimate votes is the Governing Board, comprised of Uni Presidents.

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CFP GovernanceCollege Football Playoffhttps://collegefootballplayoff.com sports governance

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Today and tomorrow's CFP meetings should be interesting for George Kliavkoff lol. Will they even let him vote on the future format rules for 2024 and 2025 playoffs? How much say does he have? Does he only represent the interests of Wash State and Oregon State?

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Contractually, unless dissolved, the p12 has a vote at the CFB playoff meetings and most changes require a unanimous vote of all 11 members (g5+p5+nd).

What has not been discussed anywhere in the media is how the expanded 2024-25 CFB playoff revenues are going to be split - which will affect how much a reconstituted pac would get those next two years.

Since the 10 departing schools (along with their future conferences) would get a larger share if the p12 dissolves, that might be one more incentive to do so (if legally allowed).

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yea, this likely is where things are at the moment. The latest round of articles quoting Sankey is the Pac can continue to exist and probably could get a playoff spot in 2024, but then he suggests they won't necessarily get a full playoff payout,. Apparently Sankey thinks this is not a unanimous vote (looks like the "P5" get to allocate their money as they see fit). Stay tuned for more complications.

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Today and tomorrow's CFP meetings should be interesting for George Kliavkoff lol. Will they even let him vote on the future format rules for 2024 and 2025 playoffs? How much say does he have? Does he only represent the interests of Wash State and Oregon State?

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Contractually, unless dissolved, the p12 has a vote at the CFB playoff meetings and most changes require a unanimous vote of all 11 members (g5+p5+nd).

What has not been discussed anywhere in the media is how the expanded 2024-25 CFB playoff revenues are going to be split - which will affect how much a reconstituted pac would get those next two years.

Since the 10 departing schools (along with their future conferences) would get a larger share if the p12 dissolves, that might be one more incentive to do so (if legally allowed).

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It has been suggested that the conference revenue split going forward may depend on the number of football-playing schools in the conference. If that is the path the CFP takes, then the Pac-2 won't lose its revenue share entirely, but the conference would get one-sixth of the money it received when it had 12 teams, and WSU/OSU would each get the same amount from the CFP that they would have received in the 12-team Pac. (EDIT: Dellenger claims in his article that this has already been decided, but he's the only one saying that AFAIK.)

Starting with the 2026-27 football season, every action the CFP takes can be passed with a simple majority vote, so both the format and revenue distribution of the playoff will be up for grabs. As a practical matter, that probably means that the majority will go along with whatever the Big Ten and SEC agree upon between themselves.

Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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It seems like they are making the case for a lawsuit. At least the damages, though initially it will be a an ask from the legislature/UO.

Interesting maybe for 2024 and beyond…. ESPN announced tonight that ACC basketball tournaments are returning to Greensboro Coliseum for this season.

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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Sounds like he's asking for Ore-mony.

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This Thursday we will share this reality with the Oregon Legislature in a public hearing of the House Higher Education Committee. Among our elected representatives, we have supporters who may help by providing funding to sustain the strength of our athletics program and the support we provide to student-athletes and local economies.

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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He is looking for Oregimony. Not even subtle. OSU probably deserves it if they take a harcourt going into the Big 12 (latest rumor is WSU and OSU to the Big 12 - note the word rumor)

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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He is looking for Oregimony. Not even subtle. OSU probably deserves it if they take a harcourt going into the Big 12 (latest rumor is WSU and OSU to the Big 12 - note the word rumor)

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Interesting. It would mean Fox and ESPN (presumably) are putting up an additional $60 million (?) for the B12 to make that happen. If that happens I bet SDSU and Fresno or UNLV are B-12 targets in 2026.

WSU coach calling out ESPN
https://www.si.com/college/2023/09/24/washington-state-jake-dickert-slams-espn-lee-corso?fbclid=IwAR2-RmznK6BSl0Z2rbpAO0suamh1iaeffMRsklNVyxmQddMexhTeSfTVLbM

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wifeisafurd said:

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JRL.02 said:

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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He is looking for Oregimony. Not even subtle. OSU probably deserves it if they take a harcourt going into the Big 12 (latest rumor is WSU and OSU to the Big 12 - note the word rumor)

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Interesting. It would mean Fox and ESPN (presumably) are putting up an additional $60 million (?) for the B12 to make that happen. If that happens I bet SDSU and Fresno or UNLV are B-12 targets in 2026.

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The thinking is they may get somewhat of a Calford deal, probably better since the Big 12 doesn't have a Clemson/FSU problem. This is just rumors in articles btw. But yes, as a survival approach to conference consolidation adding OSU, WSU, SDSU and someone looks really good and bolsters the number of games in a in a fourth time zone (Arizona is on west coast time for part of the year). Big 12 seems to have smart leadership.

Quackimony

The ink is not dry on Cal to the ACC, when rumors float again about Clemson and FSU departing the ACC - and then, whither Notre Dame

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Fiery statement from Oregon State President just now.. "and to tell you about the very direct and immediate impact that the decisions made by 10 college presidents in Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah and Washington will have on Oregon State University, our student-athletes and our community."

Says their athletic budget will be slashed by 44%https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/pac-12-update-president-murthy-and-vice-president-barnes

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The dirty little secret made public just recently is the University loaned the OSU Athletic Department 31 million for Covid relief and the academic side of the University is ticked off it may not get payed back in a timely fashion with reduced revenues. The unique things about Oregon higher education is Portland State, OSU and Oregon each have their own trustee board to operate independently for the best interest of each school in question. Each school goes their own way with their own decisions according to how it is structured in the trustee bylaws.

Oregon Senate Bill 270, which passed 237 in the Senate and 4415 in the House during the final days of the 2013 legislative session, establishes institutional boards for the UO, Portland State University, and Oregon State University. It also creates a process for Oregon's other four public universities to seek their own governing boards in the future. The board for Oregon voted to go to the Big10. The OSU board has no say in their decision. They could give each other the middle finger and the state politician voted them as separate trustees have really have no say without passing new legislation. Weird huh?



So imagine if each school in California had their own trustee board each totally independent of one another.

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Quackimony

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Much better!

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"When the CFP Management Committee [last] met, the Pac-12 -- after announced departures -- still had four remaining members," Sankey said. "Later that week, Stanford and Cal moved. We have not gathered again. Respectfully, the Pac-12 still exists. There has to be clarity on its future and direction."

"There is a need for clarity on what's going to happen out West, but the strength of the Pac-12 and, I mean this respectfully to Washington State and Oregon State ... that strength has migrated into other conferences," Sankey said.

Sounds like waiting for Wazzou and Oregon state to make their move. Lawsuit is really dragging things out

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The bolded part is what happened at the CFP meeting.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38506062/cfp-shelves-talk-changes-pac-12-situation-plays-out

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The College Football Playoff management committee shelved any talk of format changes to the expanded 12-team field that will begin next season, opting instead to continue to wait to see what the future of the gutted Pac-12 will look like, CFP executive director Bill Hancock said Wednesday.

Following another summer of sweeping conference realignment, only Washington State and Oregon State will be left to determine the future of the Pac-12 in 2024 and beyond. The NCAA gives conferences a two-year grace period when they no longer meet membership requirements before changes are needed, but the notion of a two-team league competing in the CFP has its decision-makers in a holding pattern on the future format.

Hancock, who has spent five decades in college athletics, called it "the most unthinkable" scenario.

"One thing that happened that I never would've dreamed would ever happen, happened," Hancock said. "... It's totally weird and everybody knows it."

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Today's update: UW, on behalf of the departing 10 schools, wants to join the WSU/OSU lawsuit and then request that the court dismiss it.

The timing of this may be intended to avoid turning over documents that WSU and OSU have requested, which the court ordered to be turned over by this Friday.

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38617609/washington-attempting-join-pac-12-lawsuit-order-dismiss-it

The departing ten schools argue in their filing that the "notification of withdrawal" means withdrawal prior to the end of the league's media rights deal. Of course, OSU and WSU argue that the public statements declaring moves to the Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC qualify as a notice of withdrawal, even if it is not in writing + after media rights deal is up.

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The departing ten schools argue in their filing that the "notification of withdrawal" means withdrawal prior to the end of the league's media rights deal. Of course, OSU and WSU argue that the public statements declaring moves to the Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC qualify as a notice of withdrawal, even if it is not in writing + after media rights deal is up.

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"That precedent was set, they argued, when USC and UCLA no longer had voting power when they announced they were joining the Big Ten in the summer of 2022."

I'm pretty sure UW's position at the time was USC and UCLA do not get to vote, and certainly not on any issue that affects the PAC-10 as an ongoing concern beyond the current season.

The problem for OSU and WSU is that time is not on their side. That's incentive for them to settle and give the ten remaining NCCAT units & other assets, while OSU and WSU get the majority of that money. The ten could let this go to trial, with the downside being discovery process, but OSU and WSU cannot afford a trial in '24 bc they need clarity on PAC assets ASAP to set up a MWC move… they need schedules for 2024!

Canzano: Popping popcorn for Pac-12 discovery

"Who were the 10 departing schools talking with in the last 14 months?

"When were they talking?

"What was said?..."

"Said one source: "There's a huge lack of transparency from the departing schools." "

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The problem for OSU and WSU is that time is not on their side. That's incentive for them to settle and give the ten remaining NCCAT units & other assets, while OSU and WSU get the majority of that money. The ten could let this go to trial, with the downside being discovery process, but OSU and WSU cannot afford a trial in '24 bc they need clarity on PAC assets ASAP to set up a MWC move… they need schedules for 2024!

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They each have 3 games and a 4th against each other. The other PAC-10 all need to add a game but likely not against them. However the MWC can probably rearrange their schedules to free up teams to play the other PAC-10 and then add WSU and OSU.

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Canzano: Popping popcorn for Pac-12 discovery

"Who were the 10 departing schools talking with in the last 14 months?

"When were they talking?

"What was said?..."

"Said one source: "There's a huge lack of transparency from the departing schools." "

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People can make public records requests to every departing and non-departing Pac member other than USC and Stanford. Apparently UW has already rejected such a request for documents related to joining the Big Ten.

Other than that, of course there's a "lack of transparency". No one, including OSU and WSU, wants to be transparent about all of their communications with other conferences or TV providers.

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The other PAC-10 all need to add a game but likely not against them. However the MWC can probably rearrange their schedules to free up teams to play the other PAC-10 and then add WSU and OSU.

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I thought the same but the Big Ten and Big Twelve play nine conference games. USC and UCLA have already announced 2024 opponents and their schedules are full.

The ACC played eight conference games last year and I suspect that will remain so we and Stanford have a game to fill.