Shutout at home tonight by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

You worry about burying ASU all you want; I'll be content with a victory in which Cal looks solid in all three phases.

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

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A little background research and due diligence would have revealed that Baldwin's EWU offenses were the product of his OCs and superior recruiting for the FCS level.

Musgrave was another bad hire, only once in his career renewed as an OC. Unfortunately Spavital might be the third. Why were his Texas State offenses so horrifically bad? Was his earlier success more the product of offensive minded HCs? The opposite of Baldwin? It really appears Wilcox is so out of his depth on offense thst he cannot even evaluate an OC. I really hope I am wrong on that last one but Spavital has been very disappointing over the first three games.

golden sloth said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

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I could understand Cal hiring Beau after his success at Eastern Washington but why would ASU hire him after they saw what he did at Cal?

And Cal Poly SLO

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golden sloth said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

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I could understand Cal hiring Beau after his success at Eastern Washington but why would ASU hire him after they saw what he did at Cal?

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They must have blamed the Cal offense on Wilcox.

Wilcox should have left him up in Pullman on the tarmac in 2018 after repeatedly putting in the human turnover machine, Brandon McIlwain against the Cougs in the Red Zone.. Baldwin and McIlwaine literally gave the game away against the #10 Cougs.

WSU: 19

CAL: 13

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Wilcox should have left him up in Pullman on the tarmac in 2018 after repeatedly putting in the human turnover machine, Brandon McIlwain against the Cougs in the Red Zone.. Baldwin and McIlwaine literally gave the game away against the #10 Cougs.

WSU: 19

CAL: 13

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My son still mad about the play call that caused it. There was no need….

BarcaBear said:

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calumnus said:

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golden sloth said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

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A little background research and due diligence would have revealed that Baldwin's EWU offenses were the product of his OCs and superior recruiting for the FCS level.

Musgrave was another bad hire, only once in his career renewed as an OC. Unfortunately Spavital might be the third. Why were his Texas State offenses so horrifically bad? Was his earlier success more the product of offensive minded HCs? The opposite of Baldwin? It really appears Wilcox is so out of his depth on offense thst he cannot even evaluate an OC. I really hope I am wrong on that last one but Spavital has been very disappointing over the first three games.

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I think you are confusing recruiting problems and injuries with X's and O's.

Spavital has been really solid. Losing your starting center for the season is bad, losing starting RB in a tight game when your offense revolves around him is bad, and losing your starting QB is also really bad. these can only be remedied by improving recruiting.

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I disagree. He has had a handful of good calls over the first 3 games. The play calling has been largely predictable and unimaginative, mostly running between the tackles , with no use of the TEs, little attacking of the deep middle of the field or runs outside the tackles and needs to improve greatly if we are going to win at least as many games as we lose and be more successful in recruiting. You generally need to show you can make good use of the resources you have before you are able to get more. If we have a fun, exciting offense, recruiting (with the help of NIL) on offense will improve immensely.

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BarcaBear said:

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calumnus said:

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golden sloth said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight at home by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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I bet he gets fired mid-season. Story of Wilcox is we had one of the worst offenses in the country every year and he kept him for 3 years. Then did the same with Musgrave.

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I will admit Baldwin seemed like a good hire at the time. It just didnt work out.

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A little background research and due diligence would have revealed that Baldwin's EWU offenses were the product of his OCs and superior recruiting for the FCS level.

Musgrave was another bad hire, only once in his career renewed as an OC. Unfortunately Spavital might be the third. Why were his Texas State offenses so horrifically bad? Was his earlier success more the product of offensive minded HCs? The opposite of Baldwin? It really appears Wilcox is so out of his depth on offense thst he cannot even evaluate an OC. I really hope I am wrong on that last one but Spavital has been very disappointing over the first three games.

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I think you are confusing recruiting problems and injuries with X's and O's.

Spavital has been really solid. Losing your starting center for the season is bad, losing starting RB in a tight game when your offense revolves around him is bad, and losing your starting QB is also really bad. these can only be remedied by improving recruiting.

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I disagree. He has had a handful of good calls over the first 3 games. The play calling has been largely predictable and unimaginative, mostly running between the tackles , with no use of the TEs, little attacking of the deep middle of the field or runs outside the tackles and needs to improve greatly if we are going to win at least as many games as we lose and be more successful in recruiting. You generally need to show you can make good use of the resources you have before you are able to get more.

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I haven't been thrilled with the play calls the last two weeks with so many up the middle runs. However, for the most part the offense put us in a position to win (should have v. Auburn) and we did win v. Idaho. It was ugly but still. I think the sample size is small. Musgrave was given way too much sample size. Now if we continue to be moribund and unimaginative, I will sit next to you and get off the Spav bandwagon at some point (probably by Year 2). But I really think he's a much better offensive mind than Musgrave. And he's already a better recruiter.

Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

Strykur said:

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Shutout at home tonight by Fresno State, 8 turnovers, no QB.

Bury this ******* in 2 weeks.

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He was horrible at Cal Poly as well.

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Yah he's killing it in the Valley

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He also killed our APR so he can kindly **** off

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Tedford had a solid academic support program that was featured in an article in the LA Times during his early years. Players were assigned tutors and given periodic (I think weekly but could be biweekly) that determined how much free time they were given. Then a recession hit and Sandy cut his budget. (The team had to take a bus to the game in LA!) The APR predictably dropped and Sandy blamed him. That's why she could not fire him for cause but had to pay him off.

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

philbert said:

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ASU has QB issues.

The latest on ASU’s QB injuries, which indicate a very strong chance that fourth-string Jacob Conover could start against USC. https://t.co/FCMqZEy8jc

— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) September 17, 2023

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I think we all know that ASU will successfully move the ball for a while against the Bears using their 4th string QB.

HearstMining said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is an odd paradox that Akili Smith and Joey Harrington were both coached by Tedford at Oregon, were chosen in the top 3 of their respective NFL drafts, and turned out to be major disappointments as pro QBs. You could argue that Boller was also in that underachiever category as a pro, but really, the expectations were inflated as he was drafted way too high.

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QB's are always hard to draft, but the idea that the QB's were "system guys" is also a large part of why Rodgers draft stock dropped so far as well.

The draft reference was mainly regarding other positions. Yes, Tedford wasn't their position coach, but he was responsible for hiring their position coaches, and he was responsible for what kind of coaching they got. All of the players without fail had great fundamentals / technique. Sure, guys like Ron Gould and Jim Michalczik played parts in that as well...but Tedford chose them / coached them, and Ron Gould hasn't really developed any NFL running backs without Tedford...

HearstMining said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is an odd paradox that Akili Smith and Joey Harrington were both coached by Tedford at Oregon, were chosen in the top 3 of their respective NFL drafts, and turned out to be major disappointments as pro QBs. You could argue that Boller was also in that underachiever category as a pro, but really, the expectations were inflated as he was drafted way too high.

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Then in 11 years at Cal, Tedford never recruited and developed a single high school QB that was ever drafted in any round or ever even made an NFL roster as a free agent on the scout team.

MrGPAC said:

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HearstMining said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is an odd paradox that Akili Smith and Joey Harrington were both coached by Tedford at Oregon, were chosen in the top 3 of their respective NFL drafts, and turned out to be major disappointments as pro QBs. You could argue that Boller was also in that underachiever category as a pro, but really, the expectations were inflated as he was drafted way too high.

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QB's are always hard to draft, but the idea that the QB's were "system guys" is also a large part of why Rodgers draft stock dropped so far as well.

The draft reference was mainly regarding other positions. Yes, Tedford wasn't their position coach, but he was responsible for hiring their position coaches, and he was responsible for what kind of coaching they got. All of the players without fail had great fundamentals / technique. Sure, guys like Ron Gould and Jim Michalczik played parts in that as well...but Tedford chose them / coached them, and Ron Gould hasn't really developed any NFL running backs without Tedford...

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With Gould as his position coach Bryce Love was PAC-12 POY, won the Doak Award as the best RB in the country, the Lombardi Award, was unanimous 1st Team All American and was the runner-up in the Heisman voting. Instead of going to the NFL he went back to Stanford, got injured, came back and then tore his anterior cruciste ligament ending his college career and plummeting his draft value. Redskins took him in the 4th round and put him on injured reserve for most of his brief career before he was eventually waived.

calumnus said:

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HearstMining said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is an odd paradox that Akili Smith and Joey Harrington were both coached by Tedford at Oregon, were chosen in the top 3 of their respective NFL drafts, and turned out to be major disappointments as pro QBs. You could argue that Boller was also in that underachiever category as a pro, but really, the expectations were inflated as he was drafted way too high.

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Then in 11 years at Cal, Tedford never recruited and developed a single high school QB that was ever drafted in any round or ever even made an NFL roster as a free agent on the scout team.

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He did recruit, though never had a chance to develop, Jared Goff.

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philbert said:

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ASU has QB issues.

The latest on ASU’s QB injuries, which indicate a very strong chance that fourth-string Jacob Conover could start against USC. https://t.co/FCMqZEy8jc

— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) September 17, 2023

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I think we all know that ASU will successfully move the ball for a while against the Bears using their 4th string QB.

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It has all the makings for a low-scoring defensive battle...a Wilcox special.

southseasbear said:

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calumnus said:

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HearstMining said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Wang24 said:

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Here is a thought… how about we just hire Coach Tedford again ?

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Tedford is an exceptional X's and O's guy and an excellent teacher of technique. There is a reason NFL teams loved drafting Tedford coached players.

Tedford is awful at motivating athletes. When he came in to Cal he didn't have to motivate anyone. The entire team had a chip on their shoulder and were pissed off from sucking for so long they were willing to do whatever Tedford said...and when it worked they were all eager to listen for more.

Seriously...go back and look at the USC pregame hype video from 2003 we played before every game with them during our however many year losing streak. Tedford came in to a bunch of hyped up kids talking in an unemotional voice about how they were disrespecting our team, about how they stabbed our logo....he was trying to hype up the team but it was falling on deaf ears. The team hyped themselves up...and let Tedfords coaching do the rest.

When we got past that first group of players that were willing to do whatever he said because they were tired of sucking, and started bringing in athletes that felt they were too good to need the coaching he was providing, things started going down hill quickly.

This is a large part of why he's so successful at Fresno State. That entire program has a chip on their shoulders. Tedford doesn't have to motivate those players...he just has to coach them up and put them in a position to succeed...which he is excellent at.

As much as I would love to see him come back, he's in the perfect position for himself...at his alma mater no less.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is an odd paradox that Akili Smith and Joey Harrington were both coached by Tedford at Oregon, were chosen in the top 3 of their respective NFL drafts, and turned out to be major disappointments as pro QBs. You could argue that Boller was also in that underachiever category as a pro, but really, the expectations were inflated as he was drafted way too high.

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Then in 11 years at Cal, Tedford never recruited and developed a single high school QB that was ever drafted in any round or ever even made an NFL roster as a free agent on the scout team.

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He did recruit, though never had a chance to develop, Jared Goff.

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He brought in Elite 11's nearly every year, none made the NFL.

If Tedford stays highly doubt Goff starts in 2013, probably redshirts and ends up behind Bridgford, Kinder, and Kline. My guess would be Kline wins and is our Qb in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. Once a starter Tedford stays committed and this board loved that guy. Maybe Goff gets a shot as a RS senior in 2017? More likely he is the guy who transfers and tries to find a place elsewhere. There's a reason Goff stays in touch with Franklin and Dykes: they committed to him in 2013 and stuck with him. Without them it is almost certain he does not go #1 in the 2016 draft. They made him a lot of money.

I don't follow Fresno, has Tedford been getting QBs into the NFL since?