BearlyCareAnymore said:Do you hear yourself right now?Econ141 said:
How hard can it be to fire someone for cause? Just find a reason. Lay a trap, whatever. Get him out - it is too important of a time for Cal to let him run the program into the ground.
1. What ducky said
2. As is explained every effing time, you can't fire a coach for cause for not winning enough. Even if you could, care to make the argument that a coach that wins about as much as most of your school's coaches have is failing enough to be a for cause firing?
3. If it was easy, everyone would be effing doing it. Like, say, Oklahoma when they were losing to Holmoe twice. Or Alabama when people were calling them Tuscaloser. Or Texas. Or Notre Dame. But you know what they did? They honor their contracts, face the consequences of their own decisions, and buy out their loser coaches and move on.
4. What the hell? You are going to make something up? Lay a trap? What is "whatever"? Push him out a window? If it is such an important time that you need to get him out, there is an extremely easy way to do that and it doesn't involve law breaking and immorality and breaking your damned word. It is called pay him his buyout. It is only not easy because the people who have the $20M don't think it is "too important". It is exactly this kind of crap that makes people think that sports fans our a bunch of Neanderthals.
5. Let's make this clear. Cal signed a contract. They knew exactly the deal they were getting. The contract is not to win. It is to coach the team. There is zero indication that Wilcox is doing anything but his best. The buyout is there to preserve a specific income figure in case things don't work out. Cal knew that. It was a stupid contract, but that is on Cal, not on Wilcox.
6. Every effing time a coach proves to be a loser, we go through this whole process of painting him as some immoral guy and we pour over his quotes to show how awful he is. If Ifanse had scored a bunch of touchdowns in a winning effort for our 6-0 top 10 ranked team and Wilcox had said other guys could learn from him, you'd all be lauding what a hard ass he is, how he justifiably praised one guy, and how he gets the most out of his team. I guarantee you, the problem isn't found in his press conference quotes.
7. Wilcox is not a defective human being. He's not immoral. He's not doing anything wrong. He just isn't good enough and you are all mad that he broke your toys that were already broken when he got here. Get the eff over it. It is a game. And it is always on someone else to pay for your game, to break their word for your game, to take on legal liability for your game.
Maybe as a contracts attorney I have an extra special place in hell for people who try to break their bond, but let me just explain to you one more time. Even if you don't give a shyte about any kind of ethics because winning football games is just too important, it doesn't work this way. Lawyers aren't magical wizards that make all your dumbass decisions go away. The consequences are likely to be you pay a lot more than your buyout AND you tell every potential coach that you can't be trusted. I'd look at Fitzgerald's lawsuit as your future. Now, my guess is that he loses because it looks to me like they have the goods on him. But essentially, the for cause firing has made him unhirable. So he is looking for not just a buyout, but all the future pay they cost him to the tune of $130M. And that is exactly what Wilcox would be looking for if you "make something up" with probably worse if you get caught "laying a trap". Except we'd have to pay it because we wouldn't have the goods on him.
Let's just be clear that for each and every one of you looking for a bullshyte excuse to break a contract because Cal won't pay $20M, the ethics issue is not on Wilcox's side of the equation.
And yes, he should be fired. As soon as someone finds the $20M.
Nicely put. Your excruciating detail reminds me of the gyrations cops go through on these videos with drunk folks or sovereign folks who think they have some grasp of the law or constitution. I'm guessing it's because they are on camera but the cops show these idiots way too much respect.