Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
I was lying in bed last night thinking about this. Some one mentioned in another thread about Wilcox hiring a common sense coach. I think he was on to something.HungryCalBear said:
Mendoza played well, showing a lot more poise than the two QBs ahead of him. What's worrisome is our coaches ranked them higher than Mendoza earlier on.
heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
No, but I think they had opportunities to see what they had in Mendoza before this and they opted to stick with Finley.sycasey said:heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
Maybe they said it was equal but their decisions about who to play suggested who they thought was better.
But I'm not really criticizing either. We've seen multiple examples throughout history of a backup player becoming unexpectedly good when forced to play. It's not the norm, but it happens and it doesn't mean the coaches suck.
heartofthebear said:No, but I think they had opportunities to see what they had in Mendoza before this and they opted to stick with Finley.sycasey said:heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
Maybe they said it was equal but their decisions about who to play suggested who they thought was better.
But I'm not really criticizing either. We've seen multiple examples throughout history of a backup player becoming unexpectedly good when forced to play. It's not the norm, but it happens and it doesn't mean the coaches suck.
heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
cal83dls79 said:in what sense exactly?Nofado said:
He reminds me of Pat Barnes
Big C said:heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
There are politics in any organization. What NFL team doesn't give a 3rd round pick a much better shot than some UFA?
Finley was recruited over the summer and probably got some NIL (and, as a grad transfer, can always go elsewhere). SJV was recruited over the winter and sure received a decent NIL package... and Spav supposedly liked his chances.
Stands to reason that they are going to get a longer, earlier look than Mendoza. That's the way of the world. I was a little surprised to tune into the KGO pre-game show and learn that FM was getting the start. Pleasantly surprised.
GivemTheAxe said:Big C said:heartofthebear said:Uh, they knew what they had and said as much. They said that the 3 QBs are about equal. They immediately tried out Finley and Jackson over the first couple of games. But for some reason they decided not to do that with Mendoza until now. That's a political decision not an innocent issue.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
There are politics in any organization. What NFL team doesn't give a 3rd round pick a much better shot than some UFA?
Finley was recruited over the summer and probably got some NIL (and, as a grad transfer, can always go elsewhere). SJV was recruited over the winter and sure received a decent NIL package... and Spav supposedly liked his chances.
Stands to reason that they are going to get a longer, earlier look than Mendoza. That's the way of the world. I was a little surprised to tune into the KGO pre-game show and learn that FM was getting the start. Pleasantly surprised.
I was not impressed with his prior performances in practices and thought that there were good reasons he was No.3.
But was very impressed with his performance against a quality opponent
So you're saying we shouldn't have let Plummer transfer. Because, minus Plummer, all 3 remaining QBs on the depth chart at Cal need to be developed. We have all seen all 3 play and I would say Jackson needs the most development. All 3 are redshirt freshmen. Finley probably has the most experience but Finley forces passes and is a poor decision maker.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
The one bad ball was his pick. The receiver had him beat and had he led him with air under the ball, it may have been six. But it was severely underthrown. But overall yah I was impressed, and especially his competitive fire. I also loved how he seemed so pumped about playing, reflected in his post game presser. Looks like he is one of those guys that loves football. Isn't that what Wilcox once said about the type of recruits he wanted?heartofthebear said:So you're saying we shouldn't have let Plummer transfer. Because, minus Plummer, all 3 remaining QBs on the depth chart at Cal need to be developed. We have all seen all 3 play and I would say Jackson needs the most development. All 3 are redshirt freshmen. Finley probably has the most experience but Finley forces passes and is a poor decision maker.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
Were you at the game? Did you actually see him play? He meets the eye test. That's why folks are impressed. It goes beyond stats. I don't think he was sacked and, if so, it would have been not more than 10 yard loss whereas Jackson gets sacked after running backwards an additional ten yards.
I'm sure he can throw deep if that play is called. It wasn't called. He performed as well as any Cal QB has performed on the year and the other Cal QBs don't have great stats (ie yards/attempt) either.
BTW, Mendoza had a 21 yard completion, a 30 yard completion for a TD and a 38 yard completion. What do you want?
He's also dual threat. He leads all Cal QBs in yards/rush at 7.6 which is second best ave./rush on team next to Javian Thomas. Jackson and Finley are tied with 2.6 yards/carry.KoreAmBear said:The one bad ball was his pick. The receiver had him beat and had he led him with air under the ball, it may have been six. But it was severely underthrown. But overall yah I was impressed, and especially his competitive fire. I also loved how he seemed so pumped about playing, reflected in his post game presser. Looks like he is one of those guys that loves football. Isn't that what Wilcox once said about the type of recruits he wanted?heartofthebear said:So you're saying we shouldn't have let Plummer transfer. Because, minus Plummer, all 3 remaining QBs on the depth chart at Cal need to be developed. We have all seen all 3 play and I would say Jackson needs the most development. All 3 are redshirt freshmen. Finley probably has the most experience but Finley forces passes and is a poor decision maker.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
Were you at the game? Did you actually see him play? He meets the eye test. That's why folks are impressed. It goes beyond stats. I don't think he was sacked and, if so, it would have been not more than 10 yard loss whereas Jackson gets sacked after running backwards an additional ten yards.
I'm sure he can throw deep if that play is called. It wasn't called. He performed as well as any Cal QB has performed on the year and the other Cal QBs don't have great stats (ie yards/attempt) either.
BTW, Mendoza had a 21 yard completion, a 30 yard completion for a TD and a 38 yard completion. What do you want?
We're probably not going to get more than one additional win this season no matter who's our QB but there's no evidence at all that Mendoza isn't the best QB we have right now.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
That's true, and the fact that some athletes do improve with practice, and learning a system. We don't really know if the Fernando we saw in the game Saturday was the same one the coaches were looking at the 3rd week of August.sycasey said:The 49ers had Brock Purdy behind two other guys for most of last year, and they certainly are not a dumb coaching staff. Sometimes you don't know what a guy has until he gets on the field.TedfordTheGreat said:
TBH on everything to harp on, lets not harp on why they didn't give Mendoza a chance earlier. This is game 6. They saw what they see on the field and they made the needed adjustment (maybe a bit slow).
People are impressed because, after watching two other Cal QB candidates underperform expectations, Cal fans are desperate for good news regarding the QB and Mendoza did pretty well. Sure everybody's judgment is slightly colored by optimism. That's why we aren't coaching professionals.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
there was a great throw to Grizzel that was thrown beautifully. Also, Mendoza can throw slants, he can throw outs, all throws that SJV cannot do. He stepped up in the pocket when pressured (rather than what SJV did which is roll left and right and whichever which way). He is at least solid if not good.HearstMining said:People are impressed because, after watching two other Cal QB candidates underperform expectations, Cal fans are desperate for good news regarding the QB and Mendoza did pretty well. Sure everybody's judgment is slightly colored by optimism. That's why we aren't coaching professionals.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
It was interesting that Cal didn't throw a couple of long balls as they had done this with Jackson. So, for me, the jury is still out on how strong Mendoza's arm really is. I didn't see him complete any passes that Garbers couldn't have completed. But maybe he's got a gun, we'll see.
As far as not having time to develop quarterbacks, Cal has no alternative but to develop a QB. We've seen that none of the QBs on the roster are finished products - they're all just half-baked, at this point.
Some players are better in games than in practice. NFL Hall of Fame QB Joe Montana took a while to become a starter at ND.HungryCalBear said:
Mendoza played well, showing a lot more poise than the two QBs ahead of him. What's worrisome is our coaches ranked them higher than Mendoza earlier on.
Yes, it was game four. He and Fred Besana split time in the first three games.Bobodeluxe said:
Game four, possibly.
Fred bananas was no slouch either.NVBear78 said:Yes, it was game four. He and Fred Besana split time in the first three games.Bobodeluxe said:
Game four, possibly.
The offensive asks receivers and qb's to read the defense and modify their routes accordingly. Watching the game in person I thought Mendoza expected Davis to run a post and he ran a fly instead and Mendoza threw to the wrong spot.KoreAmBear said:The one bad ball was his pick. The receiver had him beat and had he led him with air under the ball, it may have been six. But it was severely underthrown. But overall yah I was impressed, and especially his competitive fire. I also loved how he seemed so pumped about playing, reflected in his post game presser. Looks like he is one of those guys that loves football. Isn't that what Wilcox once said about the type of recruits he wanted?heartofthebear said:So you're saying we shouldn't have let Plummer transfer. Because, minus Plummer, all 3 remaining QBs on the depth chart at Cal need to be developed. We have all seen all 3 play and I would say Jackson needs the most development. All 3 are redshirt freshmen. Finley probably has the most experience but Finley forces passes and is a poor decision maker.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
Were you at the game? Did you actually see him play? He meets the eye test. That's why folks are impressed. It goes beyond stats. I don't think he was sacked and, if so, it would have been not more than 10 yard loss whereas Jackson gets sacked after running backwards an additional ten yards.
I'm sure he can throw deep if that play is called. It wasn't called. He performed as well as any Cal QB has performed on the year and the other Cal QBs don't have great stats (ie yards/attempt) either.
BTW, Mendoza had a 21 yard completion, a 30 yard completion for a TD and a 38 yard completion. What do you want?
That was also a question I had. Looked like the QB expected the WR to break off his route and he didn't.NVBear78 said:The offensive asks receivers and qb's to read the defense and modify their routes accordingly. Watching the game live I though Mendoza expected Davis to run a post and he ran a fly instead and Mendoza threw to the wrong spot.KoreAmBear said:The one bad ball was his pick. The receiver had him beat and had he led him with air under the ball, it may have been six. But it was severely underthrown. But overall yah I was impressed, and especially his competitive fire. I also loved how he seemed so pumped about playing, reflected in his post game presser. Looks like he is one of those guys that loves football. Isn't that what Wilcox once said about the type of recruits he wanted?heartofthebear said:So you're saying we shouldn't have let Plummer transfer. Because, minus Plummer, all 3 remaining QBs on the depth chart at Cal need to be developed. We have all seen all 3 play and I would say Jackson needs the most development. All 3 are redshirt freshmen. Finley probably has the most experience but Finley forces passes and is a poor decision maker.Econ141 said:
I am not sure why people are so impressed. There was no long ball to speak of and I think he ended up averaging 6 yards an attempt.
And this was at home. And Oregon st had no tape on him.
I do agree that he looked solid for a first start. But we don't have time to develop QBs. We need to win.
Were you at the game? Did you actually see him play? He meets the eye test. That's why folks are impressed. It goes beyond stats. I don't think he was sacked and, if so, it would have been not more than 10 yard loss whereas Jackson gets sacked after running backwards an additional ten yards.
I'm sure he can throw deep if that play is called. It wasn't called. He performed as well as any Cal QB has performed on the year and the other Cal QBs don't have great stats (ie yards/attempt) either.
BTW, Mendoza had a 21 yard completion, a 30 yard completion for a TD and a 38 yard completion. What do you want?
Curious if this was ever talked about or explained in post game questions?
Didn't Besana QB the USFL team in Oakland for a while??? He was a highly rated player for sure. In those days I thought Cal would always have a stable of tall and talented QB prospects.....Bobodeluxe said:Fred bananas was no slouch either.NVBear78 said:Yes, it was game four. He and Fred Besana split time in the first three games.Bobodeluxe said:
Game four, possibly.
I hope they play it in the stadium.bearister said:
This has already been posted in game thread, but the Official Fan Club Song must take its rightful place here as well.
