To be fair, what are the odds his carrier even has the Pac-12 network?

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In the latest edition on Knowlton's Notes out today, our illustrious AD writes the following about our football team: "We've shown signs of promise in every game, and I know we are close to putting together the type of complete performance that coach Wilcox and our team are working toward." Is this guy watching the same games we are? Does he realize the season is 60% over and we're playing like crap? I tealize he can't say negative things publically, but he shouldn't make outlandishly positive statements either. He is living in another world.

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I cannot stand him. The positive outlook would be a little more tolerable if he were not the one who put in this desperate situation. The original contract extension Knowlton gave him after the great Cheezit "accomplishment" (embarrassment for the rest of us) was through 2023. In other words, we could have fired him last year after his third bad season and hired someone like Troy Taylor.

I do think we can continue to improve but Know nothing ignores the fact the schedule does not get easier and our opponents are improving too.

Sagarin has us #57 in Predictor but #65 in Recent which means we are trending down (relative to the rest of college football).

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Troy Taylor, despite playing with David Shaw's recruits at a wealthy program, is 2-4. He may end up being a better coach than Wilcox, but the jury is out.

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Right, the amazing talent from Shaw that went 3-9 last season and 1-8 in conference play. Jury may be out but it's very likely he is a lot better than Wilcox

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Besides a comeback win against mediocre over-hyped CU, they beat Hawaii and lost to Sacramento State, along with losing to every other team on their schedule. Looks like they are just inching towards winning the ACC next year, right? From 2010-18, Stanford was winning 8-12 games every single year. Is the job that hard that he can't beat Sacramento State? The jury is still out. To conclude he is better than Wilcox is ludicrous negabear baloney.

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How did Wilcox do against an otherwise 0-11 Colorado team last year?

When was Wilcox's last PAC-12 road win? Will he ever have another? When was his last come from behind victory?

Taylor is Bear. Don't ever forget that. He took over a bad situation at Stanford.

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Taylor has never beat Cal or Stanford. We can go back and forth all day with this. Y'all just want to keep pissing in the wind?

Tune in to part 2 where Wilcox discusses posts by lame fans on social media.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-interview-part1

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We digress. This thread is about Knowlton who you are continuing to defend whether intentionally or unintentionally. I guarantee you that Taylor will never have as bad a record as Wilcox does. The difference is, if Taylor continues to lose he will be fired before his contract is complete whereas Wilcox continues to lose more games than he has won well into his 7th season and is on contract through year 11. That is on Knowlton.

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Currently, Taylor's record is worse than Wilcox's. I agree with you that Wilcox's extension is ludicrous. This conversation is happening because you wrongly annointed Taylor as an upgrade to Wilcox. I sympathize with your desire for something new because you want Cal to win more than 45% of their games and especially more conference games. Both Cal and furd will have easier future schedules. Let's see how both coaches do moving forward.

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It is not an apples to apples comparison. The two coaches are in different situations. This is the portal era and Stanford is just not designed to have students transfer in whereas Cal is designed for bringing in JC and other transfers. It has been part of our master plan for over 50 years. At Stanford players only can easily transfer out, which they have in huge numbers. Look at Shaw's success before the portal and after. It is night and day. So instead, Taylor is having to rebuild Stanford with high school recruiting and currently has a top ranked recruiting class coming in, which Wilcox has never done. But it will take time for that talent to come in and be developed. And it may be lost to the portal. Stanford is also behind Cal in developing an NIL program.

Moreover, Taylor is a Cal guy and could have more easily rallied Cal fans and donors at Cal than he can at Stanford.

So we will never know how last year and this would have gone if we had a competent AD who would have let Wilcox go instead of extending him and instead hired someone else, whether Taylor or another then promising candidate.

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In the latest edition on Knowlton's Notes out today, our illustrious AD writes the following about our football team: "We've shown signs of promise in every game, and I know we are close to putting together the type of complete performance that coach Wilcox and our team are working toward." Is this guy watching the same games we are? Does he realize the season is 60% over and we're playing like crap? I tealize he can't say negative things publically, but he shouldn't make outlandishly positive statements either. He is living in another world.

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He did the same thing for Fox in every one of his losing seasons...always had positive things to say about him and team. He could not admit he made a mistake with the extension. Nor will anything happen until alumni start rattling his cage louder. FIRE KNOWLTON signs are a good start.

Put your NIL money where it will do the most good, BASKETBALL!

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We digress. This thread is about Knowlton who you are continuing to defend whether intentionally or unintentionally. I guarantee you that Taylor will never have as bad a record as Wilcox does. The difference is, if Taylor continues to lose he will be fired before his contract is complete whereas Wilcox continues to lose more games than he has won well into his 7th season and is on contract through year 11. That is on Knowlton.

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Bingo.
The Knowlton apologists are part of the problem.
They are in the same FANTASY LAND.

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There aren't any Knowlton apologists on this thread.

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In the latest edition on Knowlton's Notes out today, our illustrious AD writes the following about our football team: "We've shown signs of promise in every game, and I know we are close to putting together the type of complete performance that coach Wilcox and our team are working toward." Is this guy watching the same games we are? Does he realize the season is 60% over and we're playing like crap? I tealize he can't say negative things publically, but he shouldn't make outlandishly positive statements either. He is living in another world.

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I cannot stand him. The positive outlook would be a little more tolerable if he were not the one who put in this desperate situation. The original contract extension Knowlton gave him after the great Cheezit "accomplishment" (embarrassment for the rest of us) was through 2023. In other words, we could have fired him last year after his third bad season and hired someone like Troy Taylor.

I do think we can continue to improve but Know nothing ignores the fact the schedule does not get easier and our opponents are improving too.

Sagarin has us #57 in Predictor but #65 in Recent which means we are trending down (relative to the rest of college football).

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Troy Taylor, despite playing with David Shaw's recruits at a wealthy program, is 2-4. He may end up being a better coach than Wilcox, but the jury is out.

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Right, the amazing talent from Shaw that went 3-9 last season and 1-8 in conference play. Jury may be out but it's very likely he is a lot better than Wilcox

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Besides a comeback win against mediocre over-hyped CU, they beat Hawaii and lost to Sacramento State, along with losing to every other team on their schedule. Looks like they are just inching towards winning the ACC next year, right? From 2010-18, Stanford was winning 8-12 games every single year. Is the job that hard that he can't beat Sacramento State? The jury is still out. To conclude he is better than Wilcox is ludicrous negabear baloney.

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How did Wilcox do against an otherwise 0-11 Colorado team last year?

When was Wilcox's last PAC-12 road win? Will he ever have another? When was his last come from behind victory?

Taylor is Bear. Don't ever forget that. He took over a bad situation at Stanford.

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Taylor has never beat Cal or Stanford. We can go back and forth all day with this. Y'all just want to keep pissing in the wind?

Tune in to part 2 where Wilcox discusses posts by lame fans on social media.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-interview-part1

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We digress. This thread is about Knowlton who you are continuing to defend whether intentionally or unintentionally. I guarantee you that Taylor will never have as bad a record as Wilcox does. The difference is, if Taylor continues to lose he will be fired before his contract is complete whereas Wilcox continues to lose more games than he has won well into his 7th season and is on contract through year 11. That is on Knowlton.

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Currently, Taylor's record is worse than Wilcox's. I agree with you that Wilcox's extension is ludicrous. This conversation is happening because you wrongly annointed Taylor as an upgrade to Wilcox. I sympathize with your desire for something new because you want Cal to win more than 45% of their games and especially more conference games. Both Cal and furd will have easier future schedules. Let's see how both coaches do moving forward.

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It is not an apples to apples comparison. The two coaches are in different situations. This is the portal era and Stanford is just not designed to have students transfer in whereas Cal is designed for bringing in JC and other transfers. It has been part of our master plan for over 50 years. At Stanford players only can easily transfer out, which they have in huge numbers. Look at Shaw's success before the portal and after. It is night and day. So instead, Taylor is having to rebuild Stanford with high school recruiting and currently has a top ranked recruiting class coming in, which Wilcox has never done. But it will take time for that talent to come in and be developed. And it may be lost to the portal. Stanford is also behind Cal in developing an NIL program.

Moreover, Taylor is a Cal guy and could have more easily rallied Cal fans and donors at Cal than he can at Stanford.

So we will never know how last year and this would have gone if we had a competent AD who would have let Wilcox go instead of extending him and instead hired someone else, whether Taylor or another then promising candidate.

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He is continuing to get good high school recruiting classes at the furd. Good for him.

Cal is built to allow folks who excel academically at lesser schools to transfer in. I didn't realize that players can easily transfer here without meeting academic requirements. Is this a new thing? If so, good for Cal as long as we provide academic support.

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In the latest edition on Knowlton's Notes out today, our illustrious AD writes the following about our football team: "We've shown signs of promise in every game, and I know we are close to putting together the type of complete performance that coach Wilcox and our team are working toward." Is this guy watching the same games we are? Does he realize the season is 60% over and we're playing like crap? I tealize he can't say negative things publically, but he shouldn't make outlandishly positive statements either. He is living in another world.

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I cannot stand him. The positive outlook would be a little more tolerable if he were not the one who put in this desperate situation. The original contract extension Knowlton gave him after the great Cheezit "accomplishment" (embarrassment for the rest of us) was through 2023. In other words, we could have fired him last year after his third bad season and hired someone like Troy Taylor.

I do think we can continue to improve but Know nothing ignores the fact the schedule does not get easier and our opponents are improving too.

Sagarin has us #57 in Predictor but #65 in Recent which means we are trending down (relative to the rest of college football).

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Troy Taylor, despite playing with David Shaw's recruits at a wealthy program, is 2-4. He may end up being a better coach than Wilcox, but the jury is out.

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Right, the amazing talent from Shaw that went 3-9 last season and 1-8 in conference play. Jury may be out but it's very likely he is a lot better than Wilcox

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Besides a comeback win against mediocre over-hyped CU, they beat Hawaii and lost to Sacramento State, along with losing to every other team on their schedule. Looks like they are just inching towards winning the ACC next year, right? From 2010-18, Stanford was winning 8-12 games every single year. Is the job that hard that he can't beat Sacramento State? The jury is still out. To conclude he is better than Wilcox is ludicrous negabear baloney.

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How did Wilcox do against an otherwise 0-11 Colorado team last year?

When was Wilcox's last PAC-12 road win? Will he ever have another? When was his last come from behind victory?

Taylor is Bear. Don't ever forget that. He took over a bad situation at Stanford.

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Taylor has never beat Cal or Stanford. We can go back and forth all day with this. Y'all just want to keep pissing in the wind?

Tune in to part 2 where Wilcox discusses posts by lame fans on social media.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-interview-part1

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We digress. This thread is about Knowlton who you are continuing to defend whether intentionally or unintentionally. I guarantee you that Taylor will never have as bad a record as Wilcox does. The difference is, if Taylor continues to lose he will be fired before his contract is complete whereas Wilcox continues to lose more games than he has won well into his 7th season and is on contract through year 11. That is on Knowlton.

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Currently, Taylor's record is worse than Wilcox's. I agree with you that Wilcox's extension is ludicrous. This conversation is happening because you wrongly annointed Taylor as an upgrade to Wilcox. I sympathize with your desire for something new because you want Cal to win more than 45% of their games and especially more conference games. Both Cal and furd will have easier future schedules. Let's see how both coaches do moving forward.

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It is not an apples to apples comparison. The two coaches are in different situations. This is the portal era and Stanford is just not designed to have students transfer in whereas Cal is designed for bringing in JC and other transfers. It has been part of our master plan for over 50 years. At Stanford players only can easily transfer out, which they have in huge numbers. Look at Shaw's success before the portal and after. It is night and day. So instead, Taylor is having to rebuild Stanford with high school recruiting and currently has a top ranked recruiting class coming in, which Wilcox has never done. But it will take time for that talent to come in and be developed. And it may be lost to the portal. Stanford is also behind Cal in developing an NIL program.

Moreover, Taylor is a Cal guy and could have more easily rallied Cal fans and donors at Cal than he can at Stanford.

So we will never know how last year and this would have gone if we had a competent AD who would have let Wilcox go instead of extending him and instead hired someone else, whether Taylor or another then promising candidate.

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He is continuing to get good high school recruiting classes at the furd. Good for him.

Cal is built to allow folks who excel academically at lesser schools to transfer in. I didn't realize that players can easily transfer here without meeting academic requirements. Is this a new thing? If so, good for Cal as long as we provide academic support.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

I'd buy a T-shirt!!

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Considering producing 18x24" "Fire Knowlton" signs to hand out at Memorial during the SC game. Who wants one?

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Who can switch the card stunt instructions up to pop this up at halftime.

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Considering producing 18x24" "Fire Knowlton" signs to hand out at Memorial during the SC game. Who wants one?

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Who can switch the card stunt instructions up to pop this up at halftime.

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I'll throw one on the field and try to hit Wilcox. Might wake him up to some pitch outs to Ott.

I have said before that Knowlton is an absolute genius. He right away figured out that the only person at Cal he had to win over was the Chancellor from Smith College. He started speaking her language ("Winning is not the most important thing") and went along with focusing on the non-revenue sports that she loves so much. He parlayed it into a lifetime contract with no performance metrics and no way to get rid of him when a new Chancellor is hired. And now Carol retires into the mist.

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I have said before that Knowlton is an absolute genius. He right away figured out that the only person at Cal he had to win over was the Chancellor from Smith College. He started speaking her language ("Winning is not the most important thing") and went along with focusing on the non-revenue sports that she loves so much. He parlayed it into a lifetime contract with no performance metrics and no way to get rid of him when a new Chancellor is hired. And now Carol retires into the mist.

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He is not a genius, he is a simpleton, but like the joke about not needing to outrun a bear, just the other guy, you are right, he only needed to fool one person and like any grifter, he zeroed in on the sweet, naive elderly widow who has control over $billions….

I do agree with him that we've shown promise in every game. Just think if we had a good coaching staff and AD. Fire them all now!

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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It's a cheating culture. It's no surprise that the West Coast school with the most success has been U$C.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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It's a cheating culture. It's no surprise that the West Coast school with the most success has been U$C.

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You think that the SEC is a cheating culture? How so? Evidence of signif more than that in other conferences.

Have you seen the players in the SEC? Do you think that if the SEC schools were not there, that those players would have gone to Cal? The south produces hs players who are bigger, faster, stronger, more robust than other regions and plenty of them are good students, although not intellectuals. They are however smart enough to pursue a career in pro football and second careers in business.

Other than the travel distances, the ACC looks to be a pretty good substitute for the Pac. Time to drop the snooty, holier than thou posture.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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Congratulations Oski!

You've been able to blame liberal politics as to why California based teams in the Pac-12 Conference have "failed" in football. If there was ever going to be a poster to make such an absurd claim, it would be YOU.

Former Stanford football player files lawsuit against University, NCAA, Pac-12 (stanforddaily.com)

Pac-12 Football National Championships | Pac-12

Nice job bro!

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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It's a cheating culture. It's no surprise that the West Coast school with the most success has been U$C.

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You think that the SEC is a cheating culture? How so? Evidence of signif more than that in other conferences.

Have you seen the players in the SEC? Do you think that if the SEC schools were not there, that those players would have gone to Cal? The south produces hs players who are bigger, faster, stronger, more robust than other regions and plenty of them are good students, although not intellectuals. They are however smart enough to pursue a career in pro football and second careers in business.

Other than the travel distances, the ACC looks to be a pretty good substitute for the Pac. Time to drop the snooty, holier than thou posture.

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Of course the SEC is a cheating culture. It's not like it's some secret. It's been openly known that most of the SEC teams cheated in significant ways.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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Tell you what. They can focus on winning in football while the very liberal Bay Area focuses on winning in Tech. If I remember correctly Oski, you have worked in tech and if I'm correct about that you know that the desire to win at all costs in that arena makes SEC football look like Ferdinand the Bull. Our winning culture seems to focus on other things and I'd say our bank accounts appreciate our focus.

As California has moved from the 7th largest economy in the world when I was younger to now moving from 5th to 4th, we've been winning so much I'm getting tired of winning.

What a joke. Is there a more incompetent AD or university administration in the country? I struggle to think of a single thing these clowns have done right.

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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Congratulations Oski!

You've been able to blame liberal politics as to why California based teams in the Pac-12 Conference have "failed" in football. If there was ever going to be a poster to make such an absurd claim, it would be YOU.

Former Stanford football player files lawsuit against University, NCAA, Pac-12 (stanforddaily.com)

Pac-12 Football National Championships | Pac-12

Nice job bro!

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Huh? Get your tribal nonsense out of here. The lengths folks will go to to win in college football in the South far exceeds what we have here in California and specifically the Bay area. How many death or violent threats are made near Berkeley to NCAA officials when they are slow or don't grant a transfer waiver?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/9/12/media-center-di-board-statement-regarding-transfer-waivers.aspx

Also, there is no need to be pompous or insulting. An apology would be great.

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In the latest edition on Knowlton's Notes out today, our illustrious AD writes the following about our football team: "We've shown signs of promise in every game, and I know we are close to putting together the type of complete performance that coach Wilcox and our team are working toward." Is this guy watching the same games we are? Does he realize the season is 60% over and we're playing like crap? I tealize he can't say negative things publically, but he shouldn't make outlandishly positive statements either. He is living in another world.

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I cannot stand him. The positive outlook would be a little more tolerable if he were not the one who put in this desperate situation. The original contract extension Knowlton gave him after the great Cheezit "accomplishment" (embarrassment for the rest of us) was through 2023. In other words, we could have fired him last year after his third bad season and hired someone like Troy Taylor.

I do think we can continue to improve but Know nothing ignores the fact the schedule does not get easier and our opponents are improving too.

Sagarin has us #57 in Predictor but #65 in Recent which means we are trending down (relative to the rest of college football).

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Troy Taylor, despite playing with David Shaw's recruits at a wealthy program, is 2-4. He may end up being a better coach than Wilcox, but the jury is out.

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Right, the amazing talent from Shaw that went 3-9 last season and 1-8 in conference play. Jury may be out but it's very likely he is a lot better than Wilcox

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Besides a comeback win against mediocre over-hyped CU, they beat Hawaii and lost to Sacramento State, along with losing to every other team on their schedule. Looks like they are just inching towards winning the ACC next year, right? From 2010-18, Stanford was winning 8-12 games every single year. Is the job that hard that he can't beat Sacramento State? The jury is still out. To conclude he is better than Wilcox is ludicrous negabear baloney.

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How did Wilcox do against an otherwise 0-11 Colorado team last year?

When was Wilcox's last PAC-12 road win? Will he ever have another? When was his last come from behind victory?

Taylor is Bear. Don't ever forget that. He took over a bad situation at Stanford.

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Taylor has never beat Cal or Stanford. We can go back and forth all day with this. Y'all just want to keep pissing in the wind?

Tune in to part 2 where Wilcox discusses posts by lame fans on social media.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-interview-part1

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We digress. This thread is about Knowlton who you are continuing to defend whether intentionally or unintentionally. I guarantee you that Taylor will never have as bad a record as Wilcox does. The difference is, if Taylor continues to lose he will be fired before his contract is complete whereas Wilcox continues to lose more games than he has won well into his 7th season and is on contract through year 11. That is on Knowlton.

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Currently, Taylor's record is worse than Wilcox's. I agree with you that Wilcox's extension is ludicrous. This conversation is happening because you wrongly annointed Taylor as an upgrade to Wilcox. I sympathize with your desire for something new because you want Cal to win more than 45% of their games and especially more conference games. Both Cal and furd will have easier future schedules. Let's see how both coaches do moving forward.

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It is not an apples to apples comparison. The two coaches are in different situations. This is the portal era and Stanford is just not designed to have students transfer in whereas Cal is designed for bringing in JC and other transfers. It has been part of our master plan for over 50 years. At Stanford players only can easily transfer out, which they have in huge numbers. Look at Shaw's success before the portal and after. It is night and day. So instead, Taylor is having to rebuild Stanford with high school recruiting and currently has a top ranked recruiting class coming in, which Wilcox has never done. But it will take time for that talent to come in and be developed. And it may be lost to the portal. Stanford is also behind Cal in developing an NIL program.

Moreover, Taylor is a Cal guy and could have more easily rallied Cal fans and donors at Cal than he can at Stanford.

So we will never know how last year and this would have gone if we had a competent AD who would have let Wilcox go instead of extending him and instead hired someone else, whether Taylor or another then promising candidate.

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He is continuing to get good high school recruiting classes at the furd. Good for him.

Cal is built to allow folks who excel academically at lesser schools to transfer in. I didn't realize that players can easily transfer here without meeting academic requirements. Is this a new thing? If so, good for Cal as long as we provide academic support.

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1. UC's are set up with a bunch of slots to accept junior transfers from community colleges in California.

2. Undergrad transfers from other four-year colleges do indeed have to meet certain academic requirements. They need to have demonstrated success at their prior school and meet course requirements that will slot into a Cal major. There are athletes in this category who can get into other colleges that won't be accepted at Cal. Let's take Sam Jackson V, for example: I'd be willing to bet that he came in with a pretty decent GPA from TCU. Obviously, the requirements aren't nearly as high as a non-athlete would need to transfer to Cal.

3. Grad transfers: To get into a graduate certificate program, transfers just need to have graduated from their prior school. This was a game-changer for us, as we basically only had a couple of Masters programs that transfers could get into and it wasn't easy even then. I believe Chancellor Christ was instrumental in approving the certificate programs for grad transfers to Cal.

Rushinbear said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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We have an academic culture that supports transferring in from JC and other schools. Stanford is tied to their "freshman core" curriculum. They really want you there as a freshman and do not generally support transfers even with excellent academics unless they are from an Ivy League school with a comparable program. We are far better situated than Stanford in the portal era. Moreover, the portal is by far the best way to effect a rapid change as we are seeing with Madsen and our basketball program.

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Excellent post.

There's also a bit of a backstory that I came across about 2 years ago at my local craft brewery from a Stanford special teams assistant coach who indicated to me that there was a lawsuit filed by a player regarding the medical staff allowing players to play injured. Apparently, the litigation "cloud" was so dark and full of backlash that the coach told me that there were days when half the team was "excused" from practice and there wasn't much that David Shaw could do about it.

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Stuff like this could be why the southeast has been winning all the college football championships. It is a "winning" culture that simply exists less in California and even less so in the very liberal Bay Area.

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It's a cheating culture. It's no surprise that the West Coast school with the most success has been U$C.

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You think that the SEC is a cheating culture? How so? Evidence of signif more than that in other conferences.

Have you seen the players in the SEC? Do you think that if the SEC schools were not there, that those players would have gone to Cal? The south produces hs players who are bigger, faster, stronger, more robust than other regions and plenty of them are good students, although not intellectuals. They are however smart enough to pursue a career in pro football and second careers in business.

Other than the travel distances, the ACC looks to be a pretty good substitute for the Pac. Time to drop the snooty, holier than thou posture.

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SEC = Surely Everyone's Cheating

"No football conference has been more successful than the Southeastern Conference -- or as dirty.

While the SEC's run of five consecutive BCS titles and seven national championships in the past 13 seasons is unprecedented in college football, so is the number of major NCAA infractions the league has accumulated.

S-E-C! S-E-C!

As part of this five-part CBSSports.com series on cheating in college football, we look at which conferences and schools have cheated the most. Beginning in 1987 -- to coincide with SMU receiving the Death Penalty -- the SEC leads all conferences in major infractions with 13.

Since 1987, 10 of the SEC's 12 football programs have committed major infractions, according to the NCAA. The league's only football programs without a major infraction since 1987 are LSU (its last major infraction came in 1986) and Vanderbilt (which has never had a major infraction).

Alabama and Texas Tech, a former Southwest Conference school and current Big 12 member, have committed the most major infractions since 1987 with three each."

Link:
https://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-is-dirtiest-football-conference-by-a-wide-margin.html

Oops, looks like LSU didn't want to get left out!

LSU receives three-year probation from NCAA after self-imposed penalties."

Link:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/lsu-receives-three-year-probation-from-ncaa-after-self-imposed-penalties-deemed-adequate/amp/

And lest you think it is all ancient history…

"Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons"

"Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations encompassing more than 200 individual infractions most of which involved recruiting rules violations and direct payments to prospects, current student-athletes and their families, according to a decision released by a Division I Committee on Infractions panel."

Link:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/7/14/media-center-hundreds-of-violations-occurred-in-tennessee-football-program-over-3-seasons.aspx

dimitrig said:

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Rushinbear said:

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dimitrig said:

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It's a cheating culture. It's no surprise that the West Coast school with the most success has been U$C.

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You think that the SEC is a cheating culture? How so? Evidence of signif more than that in other conferences.

Have you seen the players in the SEC? Do you think that if the SEC schools were not there, that those players would have gone to Cal? The south produces hs players who are bigger, faster, stronger, more robust than other regions and plenty of them are good students, although not intellectuals. They are however smart enough to pursue a career in pro football and second careers in business.

Other than the travel distances, the ACC looks to be a pretty good substitute for the Pac. Time to drop the snooty, holier than thou posture.

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SEC = Surely Everyone's Cheating

"No football conference has been more successful than the Southeastern Conference -- or as dirty.

While the SEC's run of five consecutive BCS titles and seven national championships in the past 13 seasons is unprecedented in college football, so is the number of major NCAA infractions the league has accumulated.

S-E-C! S-E-C!

As part of this five-part CBSSports.com series on cheating in college football, we look at which conferences and schools have cheated the most. Beginning in 1987 -- to coincide with SMU receiving the Death Penalty -- the SEC leads all conferences in major infractions with 13.

Since 1987, 10 of the SEC's 12 football programs have committed major infractions, according to the NCAA. The league's only football programs without a major infraction since 1987 are LSU (its last major infraction came in 1986) and Vanderbilt (which has never had a major infraction).

Alabama and Texas Tech, a former Southwest Conference school and current Big 12 member, have committed the most major infractions since 1987 with three each."

Oops, looks like LSU didn't want to get left out!

Link:
https://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-is-dirtiest-football-conference-by-a-wide-margin.html


"Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons"

"Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations encompassing more than 200 individual infractions most of which involved recruiting rules violations and direct payments to prospects, current student-athletes and their families, according to a decision released by a Division I Committee on Infractions panel."

Link:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/7/14/media-center-hundreds-of-violations-occurred-in-tennessee-football-program-over-3-seasons.aspx

"LSU receives three-year probation from NCAA after self-imposed penaltiesNo football conference has been more successful than the Southeastern Conference -- or as dirty."

Link:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/lsu-receives-three-year-probation-from-ncaa-after-self-imposed-penalties-deemed-adequate/amp/

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Great rebuttal! We have read so many stories over the years about payouts going on in the SEC, and lets not leave out Miami! With NIL we can all do it now legally. So lets put our money out there.

Somehow this thread devolved from criticizing Knowlton to basically agreeing with him that we're doing the best we possibly could without being cheaters like every winning program in the sport

When Sandy finally realized there was a problem with Coach Tedford, she started saying things like "I am waiting until the season is over to fully evaluate the program."

In contrast, Knowlton's language makes it seem like he is ready to give Wilcox another big extension.