Michigan caught stealing signs.

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socaliganbear
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Cal88 said:

calumnus said:

Ok, I was wrong about this and am kind of shocked. Michigan is undefeated. The B1G says they have no evidence Harbaugh knew (though the DC had to know or what is the point?) and there is evidence the rest of the conference was doing the same thing. It would have been so easy to push the investigation into the off season to determine Harbaugh's involvement and then issue any suspensions for a body-bag game next year. This was huge. If Michigan loses during Harbaugh's suspension…..

There is a cultural element here, people in the Midwest (especially outside the big cities) are more serious about rules and more upstanding than in the rest of the country. I have a friend who went to Purdue, and he said that most of their final exams were not proctored, the students abiding strictly to the honor code, and that the only people who ever cheated were some of the foreign students, who were very much resented by the locals for this. That is a trait about the American heartland that many outsiders like Tocqueville admired, and even today, some of those values are still in place in the Midwest.

I think a lot of people at Michigan are genuinely embarrassed by Harbaugh's cheating, that's why their administration responded.


They're embarrassed that they got caught. To pretend otherwise is to pretend football culture in the Midwest doesn't exist.
Rushinbear
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Cal88 said:

calumnus said:

Ok, I was wrong about this and am kind of shocked. Michigan is undefeated. The B1G says they have no evidence Harbaugh knew (though the DC had to know or what is the point?) and there is evidence the rest of the conference was doing the same thing. It would have been so easy to push the investigation into the off season to determine Harbaugh's involvement and then issue any suspensions for a body-bag game next year. This was huge. If Michigan loses during Harbaugh's suspension…..

There is a cultural element here, people in the Midwest (especially outside the big cities) are more serious about rules and more upstanding than in the rest of the country. I have a friend who went to Purdue, and he said that most of their final exams were not proctored, the students abiding strictly to the honor code, and that the only people who ever cheated were some of the foreign students, who were very much resented by the locals for this. That is a trait about the American heartland that many outsiders like Tocqueville admired, and even today, some of those values are still in place in the Midwest.

I think a lot of people at Michigan are genuinely embarrassed by Harbaugh's cheating, that's why their administration responded.
That's been my experience.
ColoradoBear
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Oski87 said:

Time to get Michigan to switch to the ACC along with Notre Dame.


https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/michigan-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-punishment.html

Supposedly the UM Regents have at least touched on the subject of leaving the conference if the Big Ten acts in what they consider in too unfair of a manner.

ACC makes total sense. lol.
6956bear
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The punishment is not even close to strict enough. The sign stealing aspect of this is the least of it IMO. It is the in person scouting that is STRICTLY PROHIBITED by NCAA rules. They did this 33 times apparently. So IMO anything less than a 33 game suspension and a vacating of wins is merely a slap on the wrist.

The B1G should keep them out of the B1G championship game. If the CFP wants to invite them that is fine. But the B1G IMO was right to take a stand. If further investigation finds other programs in violation throw the book at them as well.

Michigan and Harbaugh simply do not believe the rule book applies to them. There really are a lot of rules that make no sense or are now outdated. But if you have them enforce them. Strictly or just throw the rule book away.

I personally feel not much was gained by Michigan. But they must have felt they gained some advantage. Or why do it. The NCAA is a joke investigating these matters. They take forever and then take no action. Nothing of substance anyway.

So I am firmly behind Tony Petitti here. But he got it wrong. The punishment is too short. There simply has to be real consequences or why even bother.
Anarchistbear
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ColoradoBear said:

Oski87 said:

Time to get Michigan to switch to the ACC along with Notre Dame.


https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/michigan-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-punishment.html

Supposedly the UM Regents have at least touched on the subject of leaving the conference if the Big Ten acts in what they consider in too unfair of a manner.

ACC makes total sense. lol.


They have no where to go that offers both a great payout and mediocre opponents
Cal88
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Anarchistbear said:

ColoradoBear said:

Oski87 said:

Time to get Michigan to switch to the ACC along with Notre Dame.


https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/michigan-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-punishment.html

Supposedly the UM Regents have at least touched on the subject of leaving the conference if the Big Ten acts in what they consider in too unfair of a manner.

ACC makes total sense. lol.


They have no where to go that offers both a great payout and mediocre opponents

They can put together a league of their own, with the Florida States, Clemsons and USCs. This is where it's all headed, it's the logical terminal stage of the current trend.

They won't need to go 11-1 or even 10-2 to qualify for the playoffs out of the superleague, they'll just take the top quarter or third and plug them right through an expanded playoff system.

The question is whether the top SEC programs will join in or stay put, in which case you will have a P2 NCAA structure consisting of the SEC and the "northern" superleague.
Anarchistbear
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Cal88 said:

Anarchistbear said:

ColoradoBear said:

Oski87 said:

Time to get Michigan to switch to the ACC along with Notre Dame.


https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/michigan-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-punishment.html

Supposedly the UM Regents have at least touched on the subject of leaving the conference if the Big Ten acts in what they consider in too unfair of a manner.

ACC makes total sense. lol.


They have no where to go that offers both a great payout and mediocre opponents

They can put together a league of their own, with the Florida States, Clemsons and USCs. This is where it's all headed, it's the logical terminal stage of the current trend.

They won't need to go 11-1 or even 10-2 to qualify for the playoffs out of the superleague, they'll just take the top quarter or third and plug them right through an expanded playoff system.

The question is whether the top SEC programs will join in or stay put, in which case you will have a P2 NCAA structure consisting of the SEC and the "northern" superleague.


At some point this will happen but in concert with others, but not now and not unilaterally over some soon to be forgotten event
Anarchistbear
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Jeezus that game and the embarrassing post game interview. Looks like God and Harbaugh is the reason they won not James Franklin
Cal88
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^And more importantly, in concert with the media buyers.
nikeykid
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penn state forums going nuts right now. "i'm not satisfied with 10-2 anymore". damn i wish we were sick of 10-2 seasons too.
Anarchistbear
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If the Big 10 wanted to punish Michigan they would have suspended Franklin.
okaydo
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Econ141
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nikeykid said:

penn state forums going nuts right now. "i'm not satisfied with 10-2 anymore". damn i wish we were sick of 10-2 seasons too.


Not sure we should model any behavior after Penn St. They put football over some atrocious acts....yeah 10-2 is isn't acceptable but lot of other stuff is in their football 1st world.
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