If Oregon losses to OSU in the civil war and Arizona beats ASU in their rivalry game, both will finish with the same conference record and, without having played head to head, how do the tie breakers work to determine who goes to the title game versus Washington? I would think it would be Oregon with the higher ranking, but, if Oregon loses and Arizona wins, could Arizona pass Oregon in the rankings?

I believe the 2nd tiebreaker after head-to-head is the overall record of your conferences opponents. Then CFP ranking.

Arizona would win the tiebreaker over Oregon in that scenario.

Because Arizona and Oregon didn't play, head to head record can't be used.

The Pac's next tiebreaker is essentially "best win" over other teams in the conference, starting at the top of the conference standings.

If UA beats ASU and UO loses to OSU, then the tiebreaker goes like this:
(1) Both UA and UO lost to Washington.
(2) The next best team other than UA and UO would be OSU. Arizona wins the tiebreaker because they beat OSU while the Ducks would have lost to OSU.

I haven't seen Arizona play at all this year, but oregon has been playing the best ball to my eyes.

It would also be the most Pac-12 thing ever to have two teams in the top 6 on the last week of the regular season, and have one lose the last week and the other lose to a 3 loss team in the conference championship thus having the Pac-12 miss the playoff due to cannibalism.

I give it 50/50 odds.

Unfortunately I think cannabalism is likely anyway, even if it is Oregon vs. Washington in the title game. And Oregon may beat Washington and still fail to reach the playoffs. The reason for the cannablism in the pac-12 annually is that the team playing the best football at the end of the year reaches the title game and beats the only team with the record that can make that playoffs. It seems to happen regularly but usually it is Utah that is the spoiler. This year it is likely to Oregon or possibly Arizona. Oregon and Arizona may actually be playing better football right now than Washington. This is not to take anything away from Washington, who clearly deserves to be in the top 4 right now and isn't.

I also find it interesting that, for a second week in a row, one of the pac-12 loyalists, Oregon St., has a chance to spoil things for one of the elite teams taking flight to the B1G. However OSU has not won in Eugene since 2007 and only twice since 1992. And, quite frankly, I think the Ducks are playing so well right now that they would probably win in Corvallis as well.

heartofthebear said:

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Unfortunately I think cannabalism is likely anyway, even if it is Oregon vs. Washington in the title game. And Oregon may beat Washington and still fail to reach the playoffs. The reason for the cannablism in the pac-12 annually is that the team playing the best football at the end of the year reaches the title game and beats the only team with the record that can make that playoffs. It seems to happen regularly but usually it is Utah that is the spoiler. This year it is likely to Oregon or possibly Arizona. Oregon and Arizona may actually be playing better football right now than Washington. This is not to take anything away from Washington, who clearly deserves to be in the top 4 right now and isn't.

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I'm of the opinion that if both washington and oregon make the pac-12 title game the winner is in the playoffs.

BearSD said:

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Arizona would win the tiebreaker over Oregon in that scenario.

Because Arizona and Oregon didn't play, head to head record can't be used.

The Pac's next tiebreaker is essentially "best win" over other teams in the conference, starting at the top of the conference standings.

If UA beats ASU and UO loses to OSU, then the tiebreaker goes like this:
(1) Both UA and UO lost to Washington.
(2) The next best team other than UA and UO would be OSU. Arizona wins the tiebreaker because they beat OSU while the Ducks would have lost to OSU.

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I would love this. Zona is the story this year no doubt. Deboer is a close second my God that dude just wins and makes teams better everywhere he goes, he knows the recipe plus a great communicator. What a 1-2 if Zona vs UW for the title. Totally deserving stories.

I thought it was north vs south

Uw
Wsu
Ore
OSU
Cal
Furd


Usc
Ucla
Az
ASU
Utah
Colorado


No???

Correct. No divisions this year. Straight league finish.

I actually feel the cfp is setting up nicely. Assuming there are no upsets the last week and michigan Ohio state both play in the big 10 title game, you have the 4 bids as:

1. Winner of Alabama - Georgia in the SEC title game.
2. Winner of Oregon - Washington in the Pac-12 title game.
3. Winner of Ohio St - Michigan in the B1G.
4. Florida St if they win their title game, Texas if FSU falls and Texas wins out.

golden sloth said:

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I actually feel the cfp is setting up nicely. Assuming there are no upsets the last week and michigan Ohio state both play in the big 10 title game, you have the 4 bids as:

1. Winner of Alabama - Georgia in the SEC title game.
2. Winner of Oregon - Washington in the Pac-12 title game.
3. Winner of Ohio St - Michigan in the B1G.
4. Florida St if they win their title game, Texas if FSU falls and Texas wins out.

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Honestly, both Oregon and Washington deserve to be in the Playoff this year if Oregon beats Washington. This has happed for the SEC, and the Pac is the better conference with a better out of conference record.

FSU is in a strange spot. For whatever reason they've been ranked above UW all year... but they just lost their QB.

Without him, its tough to claim FSU is a better team than the UW/Oregon pac12 winner (or the loser, frankly). If the committee's job is to pick the 4 best teams, FSU probably no longer makes the list.

100%. If UW wins the P12 championship game, they are definitely in. If Oregon gets by OSU and then wins the P12 championship with the likely Heisman winner, they will be in. But there's a lot still at stake based on how the other games play out. One of the big questions is really Florida State because they lost their QB, so if they lose to Louisville, it feels like they will drop out of the top 4 due to generally weak schedule. But if they somehow win, you cannot keep a 13-0 team out, even if they had a soft schedule. Then the other two big games are Georgia - Alabama and if Alabama loses, they are out because they will have 2 losses. But man, if Alabama somehow beats Georgia...then it's a real pickle because they would have run off 11 wins in a row and Georgia would also be a 1 loss team. Finally, Michigan - Ohio State...this is where it gets really interesting because many are going to say that the one loss loser of *that* game deserves to be in. Given what we know about west coast and P12, it certainly feels like UW is the one who is going to get squeezed out if they lose to Oregon. You know what they say? You have to beat the best to be the best, so UW just needs to win the game and it's end of the story.