Hunter's a far better receiver going into a far better system. Very likely he'll be fine with no dropoff and an uptick instead. How much is the question. I was hoping he'd just declare this year as a Bear (as it seems he was too based on 4thGen's comments) but the stacked WR draft class probably caused this move. It will be interesting to see if his production increases dramatically. For UW, only Odunze had more catches than Hunter (though McMillian was out for a few games). Lots of unknowns in either situation but hard to criticize picking DeBoer over ... anyone really at this point.

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dimitrig said:

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philly1121 said:

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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And Jeremiah DID get a Cal degree (if im not mistaken). So he didn't leave with 'nothing.' Or FOR nothing.

Let's see if he has the same experience as Noa JMike and Jermaine Terry.

4thGenCal said:

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philly1121 said:

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dimitrig said:

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philly1121 said:

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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J Hunt had a very good NIL offer from Cal. It was not about the money regarding his decision to transfer. He respected Coach Toler - it literally boiled down to some "advisors" (family and trainer) that have been chirping in his ear that He has not developed fast enough and should have been NFL ready by now! He had 62 catches and 100 targets this past season - His issue is that the scouts don't see enough explosive moves/separation to play effectively at the next level. J Terry, J Mike. Niko Remigo and many others get promised "focal point of offense, more targets, NFL development etc" and often don't fully value the role and exposure they are getting at their existing school. J Hunt is a really solid person and respectful - I wish him the best, but the odds are against him exceeding his role at Cal and truly improving his NFL stock.

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I think he is smart to follow the advice of his "advisors". He did not improve his stock this season after a promising 2022 season. He was down in catches,yards and YPC. It is not Cal 's job to put Hunter into the NFL but it is clear he was not used in a way that improved his stock.

There is a lot of concern on this site regarding Wilcox and all the former OCs. Yet Toler gets off with very little criticism. Sorry but his being a Cal guy is not good enough. Time to look for another WR coach.

A lot of sour grapes about our star players transferring as usual. It's clear that Hunter will be in a great position next year as Washington's star studded WR room graduates for the NFL

Yeah. I had asked about sturdivant and if he had been promised money that didn't materialize and no one responded. So - it's probably sour grapes. It was fun to see a "local" star like Hunter shine for my team. But he must have gotten an offer that was good enough at least to pry him away from us. Good luck Jeremiah!

I wish no ill will to guys who leave, don't care their reason but now that they are no longer Bears I don't care about their careers!

6956bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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philly1121 said:

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dimitrig said:

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philly1121 said:

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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J Hunt had a very good NIL offer from Cal. It was not about the money regarding his decision to transfer. He respected Coach Toler - it literally boiled down to some "advisors" (family and trainer) that have been chirping in his ear that He has not developed fast enough and should have been NFL ready by now! He had 62 catches and 100 targets this past season - His issue is that the scouts don't see enough explosive moves/separation to play effectively at the next level. J Terry, J Mike. Niko Remigo and many others get promised "focal point of offense, more targets, NFL development etc" and often don't fully value the role and exposure they are getting at their existing school. J Hunt is a really solid person and respectful - I wish him the best, but the odds are against him exceeding his role at Cal and truly improving his NFL stock.

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I think he is smart to follow the advice of his "advisors". He did not improve his stock this season after a promising 2022 season. He was down in catches,yards and YPC. It is not Cal 's job to put Hunter into the NFL but it is clear he was not used in a way that improved his stock.

There is a lot of concern on this site regarding Wilcox and all the former OCs. Yet Toler gets off with very little criticism. Sorry but his being a Cal guy is not good enough. Time to look for another WR coach.

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Cal Strong loved Toler as a player. But there is probably a reason Tedford fired him at Fresno.

Generally no sour grapes towards transfers.

The one exception are talented TE's/WR's who feel they are under utilized at Cal.

These guys always end up doing worse.

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Generally no sour grapes towards transfers.

The one exception are talented TE's/WR's who feel they are under utilized at Cal.

These guys always end up doing worse.

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Not always. Nikko Remigio at Fresno State caught 74 balls for 852 yds and 6 TDs. Makai Polk At Mississippi St caught a measly 105 balls for 1046 yds and 9 TDs. These numbers reflect 1 season of play for each.

Sure J Michael Sturdivant did not get utilized as hoped at UCLA. Jermaine Terry and Keleki Latu did little here and little at their new homes.

The WR room here has been consistently labeled as deep and talented. Yet the production does not match the believed talent on hand.

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He wasn't featured in this offense.

That said, he also underwhelmed when given the opportunity.

Would have been great to keep him, but I don't think he is going to go star somewhere else. Solid player. Wish him luck.

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The QB play at Cal has been dismal, at best, during Hunter's time. His stats will increase drastically with a QB who can make reads and throw a deep ball…

4thGenCal said:

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philly1121 said:

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dimitrig said:

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philly1121 said:

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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J Hunt had a very good NIL offer from Cal. It was not about the money regarding his decision to transfer. He respected Coach Toler - it literally boiled down to some "advisors" (family and trainer) that have been chirping in his ear that He has not developed fast enough and should have been NFL ready by now! He had 62 catches and 100 targets this past season - His issue is that the scouts don't see enough explosive moves/separation to play effectively at the next level. J Terry, J Mike. Niko Remigo and many others get promised "focal point of offense, more targets, NFL development etc" and often don't fully value the role and exposure they are getting at their existing school. J Hunt is a really solid person and respectful - I wish him the best, but the odds are against him exceeding his role at Cal and truly improving his NFL stock.

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Just wondering who your source is? Because this is not accurate.

Reading about all the transfers. College football is a joke. Florida State QB Rodemaker has an incredible opportunity to lead his undefeated school of 4 years in the Orange Bowl and become a hero. But no. He announced he's done on Christmas Day, in hopes of transferring in the portal.

The situation is a total joke. Why should us fans care about any of these people?

NCAAF is cannibalizing itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2023/12/26/tate-rodemaker-missing-florida-state-orange-bowl-georgia/72030265007/

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Reading about all the transfers. College football is a joke. Florida State QB Rodemaker has an incredible opportunity to lead his undefeated school of 4 years in the Orange Bowl and become a hero. But no. He announced he's done on Christmas Day, in hopes of transferring in the portal.

The situation is a total joke. Why should us fans care about any of these people?

NCAAF is cannibalizing itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2023/12/26/tate-rodemaker-missing-florida-state-orange-bowl-georgia/72030265007/

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The situation is awful. The NCAA did nothing when all the signs were pointing towards actions needing to happen. So the players are now leading the change. The transfer portal window butts up against the post season games. So the players have to make quick decisions. The coaches at these blueblood programs show no loyalty. They leave for new jobs all the time. They recruit players from other programs and then cry when their current players look out for themselves.

FSU was recruiting Cam Ward from WSU and DJU from Oregon State. And who knows who else. So Rodemaker makes a decision that he believes is in his best interest. He knows the HC was looking to replace him for next season. So he should play in the Orange Bowl while numerous others opt out?

College football is free agency with short not well thought out windows. The players have the power. The NCAA just sent a memo which effectively makes all transfers immediately eligible. So every player is a free agent. Media deals and collectives are the driving forces for program success now.

But us fans want these players to show loyalty. When little is shown them. Schools reward the coaches with huge contracts. Provide ridiculous security with buyouts. Pocket the football money to support other programs. But when the player has a chance to make money, find a place where they can start and show their abilities they are disloyal. But pay these players? Make them employees? Out of the question. They like the revenues these players generate.

The game needs to change. But the players are going to get paid and they are going to be able to move fairly freely. Just like a regular student, or the HC or any of us that work and get presented with a new opportunity. The NCAA and greedy schools have gotten us here. No sympathy from me on the ramifications of their actions.

New guidelines are needed. But the genie is out of the bottle here. If Rodemaker played and got hurt in the bowl he would lose out on a personal opportunity. The HC had already told him they were looking to add. Not a depth QB but a new starter. They have national championship aspirations. They told Rodemaker he could stay and compete but he clearly knew what that meant. That he was not good enough. I do not blame him one damn bit. We all went to college to prepare for life. To have a path for a future. These young men put in enormous amounts of time, effort and risk plenty to play. They deserve the opportunity to pursue their dreams however they see fit.

If we do not like the way the games are now being played we can stop showing up, or turn off the TV. The days of lets win one for dear ole alma mater is over. Been over for a while. But lets put the blame where it belongs. The "adults" that were supposed to be the stewards of the game and look out for its interest did not do so. So now the players have control. And they have lawyers and agents. Sounds a lot like pro football to me.

It is not college football. It is pro football being run by ESPN and Fox and a couple of self serving mega conferences. I get being put off by it. After all there already is a pro league that plays games. But they have a collective bargaining agreement. The players are employees. They do not have to share revenues with the softball or mens soccer teams. They have a draft. They have a salary cap. They have rules. What college football is now is a rogue organization and the players are simply exercising their rights.

The adults in charge have gotten us here. Lord have mercy that we expect these dolts to find a way to fix it.

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concordtom said:

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Reading about all the transfers. College football is a joke. Florida State QB Rodemaker has an incredible opportunity to lead his undefeated school of 4 years in the Orange Bowl and become a hero. But no. He announced he's done on Christmas Day, in hopes of transferring in the portal.

The situation is a total joke. Why should us fans care about any of these people?

NCAAF is cannibalizing itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2023/12/26/tate-rodemaker-missing-florida-state-orange-bowl-georgia/72030265007/

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The situation is awful. The NCAA did nothing when all the signs were pointing towards actions needing to happen. So the players are now leading the change. The transfer portal window butts up against the post season games. So the players have to make quick decisions. The coaches at these blueblood programs show no loyalty. They leave for new jobs all the time. They recruit players from other programs and then cry when their current players look out for themselves.

FSU was recruiting Cam Ward from WSU and DJU from Oregon State. And who knows who else. So Rodemaker makes a decision that he believes is in his best interest. He knows the HC was looking to replace him for next season. So he should play in the Orange Bowl while numerous others opt out?

College football is free agency with short not well thought out windows. The players have the power. The NCAA just sent a memo which effectively makes all transfers immediately eligible. So every player is a free agent. Media deals and collectives are the driving forces for program success now.

But us fans want these players to show loyalty. When little is shown them. Schools reward the coaches with huge contracts. Provide ridiculous security with buyouts. Pocket the football money to support other programs. But when the player has a chance to make money, find a place where they can start and show their abilities they are disloyal. But pay these players? Make them employees? Out of the question. They like the revenues these players generate.

The game needs to change. But the players are going to get paid and they are going to be able to move fairly freely. Just like a regular student, or the HC or any of us that work and get presented with a new opportunity. The NCAA and greedy schools have gotten us here. No sympathy from me on the ramifications of their actions.

New guidelines are needed. But the genie is out of the bottle here. If Rodemaker played and got hurt in the bowl he would lose out on a personal opportunity. The HC had already told him they were looking to add. Not a depth QB but a new starter. They have national championship aspirations. They told Rodemaker he could stay and compete but he clearly knew what that meant. That he was not good enough. I do not blame him one damn bit. We all went to college to prepare for life. To have a path for a future. These young men put in enormous amounts of time, effort and risk plenty to play. They deserve the opportunity to pursue their dreams however they see fit.

If we do not like the way the games are now being played we can stop showing up, or turn off the TV. The days of lets win one for dear ole alma mater is over. Been over for a while. But lets put the blame where it belongs. The "adults" that were supposed to be the stewards of the game and look out for its interest did not do so. So now the players have control. And they have lawyers and agents. Sounds a lot like pro football to me.

It is not college football. It is pro football being run by ESPN and Fox and a couple of self serving mega conferences. I get being put off by it. After all there already is a pro league that plays games. But they have a collective bargaining agreement. The players are employees. They do not have to share revenues with the softball or mens soccer teams. They have a draft. They have a salary cap. They have rules. What college football is now is a rogue organization and the players are simply exercising their rights.

The adults in charge have gotten us here. Lord have mercy that we expect these dolts to find a way to fix it.

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I haven't agreed with a post more in a long time!

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4thGenCal said:

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philly1121 said:

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dimitrig said:

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philly1121 said:

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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J Hunt had a very good NIL offer from Cal. It was not about the money regarding his decision to transfer. He respected Coach Toler - it literally boiled down to some "advisors" (family and trainer) that have been chirping in his ear that He has not developed fast enough and should have been NFL ready by now! He had 62 catches and 100 targets this past season - His issue is that the scouts don't see enough explosive moves/separation to play effectively at the next level. J Terry, J Mike. Niko Remigo and many others get promised "focal point of offense, more targets, NFL development etc" and often don't fully value the role and exposure they are getting at their existing school. J Hunt is a really solid person and respectful - I wish him the best, but the odds are against him exceeding his role at Cal and truly improving his NFL stock.

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Just wondering who your source is? Because this is not accurate.

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Which part is not accurate?

Well said. I totally agree.
Though, it's not a battle for "control or power". At least, it should never have come to this. The ncaa should have led the development of a system that shared the spoils. But they didn't, and as you say, I care (and watch) less.
Ncaa thinks they are expanding the pie with a 12 team Playoff. From my vantage, they are shrinking it.
Loyal passionate fans are the backbone. Ncaa has allowed a system where that is eroded.

Is Penix coming back or does Udub need to break in a new QB? If a new QB the probability is low that Hunter will be able to match his numbers here at Cal.

So, laundry is not enough? Well, do tell.

For the record, I dont pay to watch the players. I pay to watch my school's team. There has never been an individual player that made me watch a game, it's always been the fact that that player happened to play for my school's team. If they transfer or went to a different team, I'm not skipping a Cal game to watch them.

If professional sports had unlimited free agency and every player signed a one year contract it would be a disaster. Why does the NCAA think this would be good for college sports?

I agree with your post.

The two games that standout to me were last nights game - OSU v Mizzou. So Marvin Harrison Jr. announces right before the game that he's not going to play. He announces that way so hes not a distraction to the team. Uh, excuse me, but that OSU team would have trouble beating us with what they had out there yesterday. So they hype Devon Brown because McCord left (anyone know why he decided to go to Syracuse?) and then Brown goes down and they bring in a true freshman. Marvin didn't even have enough pride to play one more game. He would likely have been the difference maker.

And of course, todays game - FSU v Georgia. 16 players including Rodemaker decide to transfer. 9 have opted out for the NFL draft. 25 players. its pathetic. Though I have defended them for missing the CFP, its quite obvious that they don't want smoke. They feel they are gonna get run and are probably going to.

If you're an FSU fan - how is this even acceptable? Would you even go to the game?

Admittedly, Georgia does have about 22 guys that are transferring out. I don't know from either team who was a starter or not but. Wow. This is crazy.

I think this proves the point that if you're in a bowl, even a NY6 bowl, but are not in the CFP - its pointless. No pride. A dodgy payout that may meet expenses. What's the point apart from the extra practices - which didn't seem to help us.

I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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Maybe santa clara would be happy to wear various laundry for a price? Blue and yellow for a half, red and white for the next. They could sell color combinations to the highest bidder.

dimitrig said:

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If professional sports had unlimited free agency and every player signed a one year contract it would be a disaster. Why does the NCAA think this would be good for college sports?

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They don't. Neither do the coaches, ADs or school presidents. But the NCAA is scared of getting sued. They have lost every case. So they rolled over on multiple transfers.

The conference commissioners need to get together on this and work on it. Now. But the SEC and B1G have huge TV deals. These commissioners are not interested in diluting their or their conferences power. But if the game is to thrive for as many programs as possible they will need to set aside theior own agenda's and try and find a solution.

The schools do not want these players as employees but they do want the revenues. They will need to find some common ground with the players or get out of the sport. The players are going to get paid. They are going to have freedom of movement. What needs to happen is for the players and conferences to collectively bargain for the good of the game.

Good luck. Right now the coaches run around claiming the system is broken and unsustainable. And at the same time asking for NIL money and tampering with the rosters of other programs. They have to because that is what everyone else is doing.

Can anyone really believe that Greg Sankey (SEC commissioner) is going to recommend anything that puts the ACC or Big 12 on somewhat equal footing with the SEC? Or Tony Petitti from the B1G?

What system is this that gives Indiana the same TV revenues as Ohio St. Or Vanderbilt the same as Alabama. The TV deals are signed. This is a major mess and likely to get even more messy before it gets better. If it does.

A football breakway from the NCAA is necessary. But who has the guts to take a stand and get this done? TV is unhappy with all the opt outs. Yet they are smack dab in the middle of why. Uneven revenues and clear corruption of the selection process.

golden sloth said:

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I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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Why should universities fund minor league professional teams that have no connection to the university other than name and laundry?

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concordtom said:

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Reading about all the transfers. College football is a joke. Florida State QB Rodemaker has an incredible opportunity to lead his undefeated school of 4 years in the Orange Bowl and become a hero. But no. He announced he's done on Christmas Day, in hopes of transferring in the portal.

The situation is a total joke. Why should us fans care about any of these people?

NCAAF is cannibalizing itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2023/12/26/tate-rodemaker-missing-florida-state-orange-bowl-georgia/72030265007/

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The situation is awful. The NCAA did nothing when all the signs were pointing towards actions needing to happen. So the players are now leading the change. The transfer portal window butts up against the post season games. So the players have to make quick decisions. The coaches at these blueblood programs show no loyalty. They leave for new jobs all the time. They recruit players from other programs and then cry when their current players look out for themselves.

FSU was recruiting Cam Ward from WSU and DJU from Oregon State. And who knows who else. So Rodemaker makes a decision that he believes is in his best interest. He knows the HC was looking to replace him for next season. So he should play in the Orange Bowl while numerous others opt out?

College football is free agency with short not well thought out windows. The players have the power. The NCAA just sent a memo which effectively makes all transfers immediately eligible. So every player is a free agent. Media deals and collectives are the driving forces for program success now.

But us fans want these players to show loyalty. When little is shown them. Schools reward the coaches with huge contracts. Provide ridiculous security with buyouts. Pocket the football money to support other programs. But when the player has a chance to make money, find a place where they can start and show their abilities they are disloyal. But pay these players? Make them employees? Out of the question. They like the revenues these players generate.

The game needs to change. But the players are going to get paid and they are going to be able to move fairly freely. Just like a regular student, or the HC or any of us that work and get presented with a new opportunity. The NCAA and greedy schools have gotten us here. No sympathy from me on the ramifications of their actions.

New guidelines are needed. But the genie is out of the bottle here. If Rodemaker played and got hurt in the bowl he would lose out on a personal opportunity. The HC had already told him they were looking to add. Not a depth QB but a new starter. They have national championship aspirations. They told Rodemaker he could stay and compete but he clearly knew what that meant. That he was not good enough. I do not blame him one damn bit. We all went to college to prepare for life. To have a path for a future. These young men put in enormous amounts of time, effort and risk plenty to play. They deserve the opportunity to pursue their dreams however they see fit.

If we do not like the way the games are now being played we can stop showing up, or turn off the TV. The days of lets win one for dear ole alma mater is over. Been over for a while. But lets put the blame where it belongs. The "adults" that were supposed to be the stewards of the game and look out for its interest did not do so. So now the players have control. And they have lawyers and agents. Sounds a lot like pro football to me.

It is not college football. It is pro football being run by ESPN and Fox and a couple of self serving mega conferences. I get being put off by it. After all there already is a pro league that plays games. But they have a collective bargaining agreement. The players are employees. They do not have to share revenues with the softball or mens soccer teams. They have a draft. They have a salary cap. They have rules. What college football is now is a rogue organization and the players are simply exercising their rights.

The adults in charge have gotten us here. Lord have mercy that we expect these dolts to find a way to fix it.

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I haven't agreed with a post more in a long time!

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Same here. Spot on assessment by 6956bear! Not sure what Cal can do on an individual level, except stay alive and see where it all shakes out. On a more macro level, hopefully schools like Cal and Stanford can help to create a better system in which college football can thrive, with everybody (including the fans) getting their share of the pie.

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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Why should universities fund minor league professional teams that have no connection to the university other than name and laundry?

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They don't. FBS football teams are revenue generators.

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southseasbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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Why should universities fund minor league professional teams that have no connection to the university other than name and laundry?

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They don't. FBS football teams are revenue generators.

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Going forward, only P4 football teams will be profitable revenue generators. I can't even think of a G5 fb team that makes money right now, especially considering the title ix offsets. It's likely getting worse as the top G5 teams are spending like crazy (and building $300 million stadiums) trying to get a resume together for a p5 jump, while that option has dried up and there is a push to ditch the lower earning/performing p5 schools and send them to g5 revenue level.

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know the specifics of an NIL deal, but I imagine schools/boosters are going to have to start writing into the agreements that players have to play in bowl games.

Essentially, they will become contracts and the better players will start getting two year deals and the system will look more like standard sports systems.

Again, I think the best option is just drop the premise of student athletes and have schools sub license their brand and facilities to an independent professional league focused on players too young to qualify for the NFL. Cut all other ties to the school. Maybe, have a school's licensing agreement allow for a scholarship after their football days are over.

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Why should universities fund minor league professional teams that have no connection to the university other than name and laundry?

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The minor league teams pay the schools to use their facilities and brand, not the other way around.

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Can't say this is a surprise, the writing was on the wall even before the disastrous showing in the bowl game. I wish him the best and I hope that our WR room takes the next step forward regardless. We have a lot of speed coming in and it's clear that was a point of emphasis in receiver recruiting
this year

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IIRC. This time last year a certain star WR left Cal to go to pass happy UCLA to get more receptions more notoriety and improve his NFL prospects
How did that work out. You remember old what's-his-name.

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Was he promised money that he didn't get at UCLA? Did he know that before he transferred or after?

Portal entry is getting bigger and bigger. So there's something else at play besides money.

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These kids aren't loyal. They are going to go where the grass seems greener. Many of them have played for several high schools before they even get to college. If they aren't completely happy with their situation they move on and even if they are happy they can be lured with dollars.

To be honest I am seeing this with the latest generation of employees as well. They leave for the flimsiest of reasons and piddly salary increases. Then before they even settle in at the new organization they leave from there, too, and if you look at their LinkedIn I am like… if you had just stayed put you would probably be ahead of where you are right now. But they talk to friends and they see things on social media and they are easily persuaded and discontented. Not everyone, of course, but many. When I tell them that I am looked at like evil management.

One engineer told me that someone in his research group got a 7 figure offer right out of grad school. I told him I can't match that but if that is really the market he should go get it. His response? "So you don't want me here?" Bunch of malcontents. He hasn't left for triple his salary yet but he probably will the first time some other company tells him his hair smells nice, gives him a 10% raise, and a bogus title.

One female engineer left because she wanted to be in management. We still had work with her and I asked her how her new company was. She said it was great. I asked how many people she was managing. Two. Well, she was managing two in her previous job as well. I raised an eyebrow. She has already left that company.

This generation is very difficult to understand.

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Well, I was just wondering whether he was offered something and he didn't get it. I didn't get an answer.

I don't blame these guys for leaving. They are looking at their best opportunity to make the NFL. So they have to do what they have to do to do that. If along the way they can play for a more successful team or get a better NIL deal - so be it. Jeremiah has a special place in my heart as he went to Central High here in Fresno. I hope he is successful in his career.

As far as the younger generation, I have no problem with people moving from job to job to get the best deal. What I do have issues with are people who are coming right out of college or a licensure program and expect to run the show in a year. That is so common nowadays.

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J Hunt had a very good NIL offer from Cal. It was not about the money regarding his decision to transfer. He respected Coach Toler - it literally boiled down to some "advisors" (family and trainer) that have been chirping in his ear that He has not developed fast enough and should have been NFL ready by now! He had 62 catches and 100 targets this past season - His issue is that the scouts don't see enough explosive moves/separation to play effectively at the next level. J Terry, J Mike. Niko Remigo and many others get promised "focal point of offense, more targets, NFL development etc" and often don't fully value the role and exposure they are getting at their existing school. J Hunt is a really solid person and respectful - I wish him the best, but the odds are against him exceeding his role at Cal and truly improving his NFL stock.

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Just wondering who your source is? Because this is not accurate.

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Which part is not accurate?

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From Hunt to stock.

GivemTheAxe said:

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Bearly Clad said:

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Can't say this is a surprise, the writing was on the wall even before the disastrous showing in the bowl game. I wish him the best and I hope that our WR room takes the next step forward regardless. We have a lot of speed coming in and it's clear that was a point of emphasis in receiver recruiting
this year

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IIRC. This time last year a certain star WR left Cal to go to pass happy UCLA to get more receptions more notoriety and improve his NFL prospects
How did that work out. You remember old what's-his-name.

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Sturdivant will have another year playing for UCLA in the B1G and now will get a UCLA degree, so it may be too soon to say he made a bad decision for himself or that it turned out poorly.

He is still an example of why we generally should not redshirt 4 star freshmen with track speed. Even if injured for part of the season, find a way to utilize him.