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That's game, Penix choked the game away.

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Huh?
The UW Defense has given up 436 yards.

Is there always someone named Polk on UDub?

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Jimmy Hairball gets his tainted title.

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What taint mean?

Penix needs to meditate

UW O Line cant deal with a 4 man rush.
Thats been the key.

Penix either misses open receivers or throws accurate passes to well covered players.

3 more off target throws by Penix. That's at least 13 by my count. Boy is he having a horrible game.

UW gets a second chance on a play that had no hope.

Rosengarten on the O Line for UW has been a total liability

Neither of these QBs impresses

Game over.

And that IS game.

I'm signing off and making dinner.

That is a wrap.

Anarchistbear said:

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Neither of these QBs impresses

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How many UW or Michigan games have you watched?

DiabloWags said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Neither of these QBs impresses

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How many UW or Michigan games have you watched?

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Too many

My Ohio State alumni father is have a terrible night.

Youre a FUNNY GUY.

Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

McCarthy has 2851 total yard passing 22 touchdowns and a 73.2% completion 4 interceptions a 170.1 rating

Penix threw for over 4600 yards with 34 TD's and 9 INT's with a 163.5 rating.

Cal's Mendoza....

1,708 yards, 14 TD's,10 INT's and a QB rating of 59.7

Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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And whatever team drafts him there will get a steal.

Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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They live and die by his play it would seem. The games that were close this year, other than Oregon, ASU and WSU, he didn't play well. Apparently he was ill against at least WSU. The Oregon games could have gone either way.

What game are you guys watching???

Michigan has been rushing FOUR ALL GAME LONG and putting pressure on Penix every play.

And youre blaming Penix?

They ought to take Penix out. He's too hurt

Credit to Jim Harbaugh.
He's a WINNER wherever he goes.
15 - 0

DiabloWags said:

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What game are you guys watching???

Michigan has been rushing FOUR ALL GAME LONG and putting pressure on Penix every play.

And youre blaming Penix?

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Yah, no way this is all on Penix. OL is getting killed.

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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You'd have to be an idiot to not concede that Penix was just awful tonight. Are you his father?

Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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Not 4th, no way. I thought he was a certain top 10 now he may slide out of first round.

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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Despite Michigan dominating the trenches, Penix was 3 or 4 not too difficult completions away from driving this game to the wire. He definitely did choke early on, but his last couple wounded duck throws might have been because he was battered.

DiabloWags said:

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Credit to Jim Harbaugh.
He's a WINNER wherever he goes.
15 - 0

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His style is very well suited for NIL-era Michigan, pile up the fifth year big uglies and dominate the conference.

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I thought the real scoop was that FOX said to the B1G schools, "We're not throwing more money into the pot for Cal and Stanford, so if you really want them, existing schools will have to take smaller shares in order for them to get paid". Under those circumstances, no university president was going to demand Cal and Stanford be included. Of course, I have no reliable source for this, just the usual internet drivel.

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The Bay Area is a bigger market than Seattle and Portland. UCLA and USC preferred Cal and Stanford. The B1G presidents preferred Cal and Stanford.

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Fox Sports was the only player whose opinion mattered. They said, "No money for Cal and Stanford." The Big Ten presidents obediently went along with that because they were not willing to give up any of their own TV money.

You think it's crazy that Fox put up money for Oregon and Washington but not Cal and Stanford? C'mon. It was the correct dollars-and-cents decision. The TV networks have 20-plus years of TV ratings data to show that Oregon and Washington football deliver larger audiences. Including this season, Oregon has finished ranked in the final top 25 in 16 of the last 24 seasons, which has made them a national TV draw. UO and UW draw larger TV audiences nationally, and larger TV audiences in their home markets.

By the way: The Seattle and Portland metros combined have about the same population as the Bay Area.

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Fox's Silverman said "no money for Cal and Stanford" AFTER Cal tried to block his deal to have his alma mater (UCLA) on the network (the B1G) he developed and after UW and Oregon already executed the deals they had negotiated months earlier to become the 3Rd and 4th schools.

So yes, there was no money for us to be the 5th and 6th schools especially after we tried to get the Governor of California to block his deal, badmouthed it as being "bad for the student athletes, especially women" then demanded Calimony, then when the B1G kept dropping hints they were interested in us in the media, we did nothing and instead fully backed Kliavkoff and his attempt to bring Apple into the game. We royally pissed Silverman off. Royally. "Zero" was FU.

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It was never reported or even rumored that Fox had any interest in adding Cal or Stanford to the Big Ten. Not in 2022, not in 2023, and not now. A Big Ten president (I think Michigan's) said something like, "Institutionally, they belong with us," and even he didn't say that there was enough football value to justify it. No Big Ten president ever said that they wanted Cal and Stanford enough to give us money out of their own pockets.

Among other things, you're jumbling the timeline of events. You were saying only one comment ago in this thread that Fox should have chosen Cal and Stanford INSTEAD OF Oregon and Washington. Now you're making a brand-new claim that Fox would have added six new teams to its conference (something no power conference has ever done all at once) instead of two or four, but for some imagined slight that, for all we know, no one at Fox even cared about. That's just grasping to conjure up something new to blame on Carol Christ. (Was she "sitting on the sidelines" or was she single-handedly making the Big Ten decide to not add Cal when they definitely would have done so otherwise? Don't try to argue it both ways.)

And by making the "5th and 6th" argument, you're now conceding that Cal and Stanford didn't have the football value to justify being ahead of Oregon and Washington on the Big Ten's list, not to mention that even UO and UW are only getting half-shares of Big Ten revenue.

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No, that is not what I am saying. Maybe I did not make it clear.

We got turned down by the B1G after we had already tried to block UCLA from going.

We were told there was no money for Cal or Stanford AFTER Oregon and UW had already negotiated deals to get in for partial shares as #3 and #4. As you say, it would be unprecedented to add 6.

That is why I have been saying all along that instead of using our political power to oppose UCLA with the Governor and the regents, we should have used our political power to make the California schools a package deal. Fox would likely agree because they really wanted UCLA and USC and the LA market and the Bay Area market combined is worth more than any comparable Midwest or PNW markets. Because UCLA and USC would have preferred it. Generally California companies like to be "helping" the California Governor.

It is very different to say "Hey, your B1G is great, but we want to maintain our rivalries and so we want all our schools in" versus "UCLA/your deal needs to be blocked, this deal is horrible for student athlete welfare."

It wasn't until after we tried to scuttle the deal for UCLA (and Fox) publicly badmouthed it, then let Oregon and UW beat us to the next openings, that we were turned down by Fox. That shouldn't have surprised anyone. We pissed off everyone we needed to say yes and let Oregon and UW jump ahead of us. Of course they said "no" at that point.

There is no way to know if lobbying to get into the B1G with UCLA and USC from the moment we learned they were going would have worked, but it is what we should have done if we wanted in. Use our political leverage along with sweet talking.

No one can honestly claim that what we did was the best path to get into the B1G. The results were entirely predictable. We are lucky Stanford pulled us into their ACC lifeboat.

Guys, the whole UW offense was bad. Receivers were dropping passes, Penix was missing throws, the Oline was overmatched, and the running back was too injured to play like he usually does. That is just about every unit struggling.

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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Really? I just saw Washington get straight beat. Like a drum. Michigan's OL dominated the LOS, and UW had ZERO (0) answers for Michigan's run game (303 rushing yards). Nothing Penix could do about that.

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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Really? I just saw Washington get straight beat. Like a drum. Michigan's OL dominated the LOS, and UW had ZERO (0) answers for Michigan's run game (303 rushing yards). Nothing Penix could do about that.

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I know UW gave up 34 points, but I thought the UW defense played fairly well outside of the first quarter. Michigan's two late touchdowns were more a product of washington desperation.

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If only our QBs were able to make quick release throws instead of scrambling for their lives

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When Mendoza was successful, that is what we had. Against better defenses, not so much.

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And that's the problem, it took the best Dline in the country to make Penix look like Mendoza against average pac12 defenses. If we can't get a top tier OLine, the only thing we can hope for is a generational QB that for some reason wants to play for Cal