27 completions out of 51 throws with 2 interceptions. Not good. Yes his OL sucked, but so
Did Penix.

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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Despite Michigan dominating the trenches, Penix was 3 or 4 not too difficult completions away from driving this game to the wire. He definitely did choke early on, but his last couple wounded duck throws might have been because he was battered.

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Michigan won the trenches…that was the difference. Penix was off, but they were still in it halfway through the fourth despite pressure on literally every drop back and no run game whatsoever

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DiabloWags said:

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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You'd have to be an idiot to not concede that Penix was just awful tonight. Are you his father?

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I've got $500 that he goes in the Top 5 of QBs
Wanna play Big Guy?

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Cal88 said:

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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Despite Michigan dominating the trenches, Penix was 3 or 4 not too difficult completions away from driving this game to the wire. He definitely did choke early on, but his last couple wounded duck throws might have been because he was battered.

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Michigan won the trenches…that was the difference. Penix was off, but they were still in it halfway through the fourth despite pressure on literally every drop back and no run game whatsoever

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Thank You.

So long Fuskies. Enjoy getting whooped in the Big Ten

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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Really? I just saw Washington get straight beat. Like a drum. Michigan's OL dominated the LOS, and UW had ZERO (0) answers for Michigan's run game (303 rushing yards). Nothing Penix could do about that.

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Despite all the Michigan big plays and rushing yards, Penix missed an open receiver in the endzone, and at least one other open receiver way downfield that would have put them in an easy FG position in the 1st half. That's 4pts + 3pts = 7pts right there. He could have been driving to tie the game in the middle of the 4th qtr down only 20-27.

Also these unforced errors must have demoralized his teammates.

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Golden One said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Golden One said:

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Penix lost this game for UDub. He'll be lucky to be a 4th round draft pick after tonight's miserable performance.

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That's a terribly dumb summary.

UW's O Line was horrible vs Michigan's D Line. Michigan controlled the line of scrimmage and put pressure on Penix RUSHING ONLY 4.

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You'd have to be an idiot to not concede that Penix was just awful tonight. Are you his father?

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I've got $500 that he goes in the Top 5.
Wanna play Big Guy?

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He'll probably go in the top of the 2nd round, or at best bottom of the 1st. He definitely did hurt his draft prospects with this poor big game clutch performance.

By the end, penix looked like someone who didn't want to take a hit. Like…at all.

To be clear, I don't blame him one bit. His oline was trash. And so were his receivers.

I have no idea how good penix will be at the next level. I could see arguments either way. But tonight did lead credence to the idea that Penix has looked good this year because his conditions were perfect (all day to throw to elite WRs).

I'm not sure how well he's going to do next year when the throwing windows are smaller and you need to process things much faster. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ended up being just another Ryan leaf.

The QB gets all the credit when you win and gets all the blame when you lose including when the defense gives up over 300 yds rushing.

Me thinks fsu could have beaten all four playoff teams.

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Me thinks fsu could have beaten all four playoff teams.

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FSU isn't Tier 1.

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The QB gets all the credit when you win and gets all the blame when you lose including when the defense gives up over 300 yds rushing.

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He was 27 for 51 for 255 yds, 1 TD and 2 ints. A lot of these missed passes were unforced errors.

Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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And it's really, REALLY boring.

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Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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That's a really good point. If you go back and watch replays of college games from the 70s, or maybe 80s, and note the QB play, it's clearly way below what we see and expect today. It's probably less noticeable 20 years ago, but it still allowed for the bend, don't break defense waiting for the QB to make mistakes. I thought going into this game the best game plan for Michigan was to get after Penix. What I didn't realize was how good they were at doing that with rushing 4. We've all seen forever that the prevent defense is miserable at stopping big plays so why would you essentially force your backfield into doing a "prevent light" approach of that every play and expect good results?

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Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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I don't believe that Wilcox/sirmon are so inept that they don't understand this. They just probably believe they simply don't have the personnel to play more aggressively.

I think Wilcox's bigger issue is not necessarily scheme but an inability to recruit/develop high impact pass rushers. As Michigan made clear, that's where the game is won or lost, and we've been deficient in the Dline for years. It's why the Niners spend their entire salary cap on Dlinenan. If you can rush 4 and get pressure, you're going to win.

So let's just pray Sebasta can bring in some high end talent at dline

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MrGPAC said:

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Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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I don't believe that Wilcox/sirmon are so inept that they don't understand this. They just probably believe they simply don't have the personnel to play more aggressively.

I think Wilcox's bigger issue is not necessarily scheme but an inability to recruit/develop high impact pass rushers. As Michigan made clear, that's where the game is won or lost, and we've been deficient in the Dline for years. It's why the Niners spend their entire salary cap on Dlinenan. If you can rush 4 and get pressure, you're going to win.

So let's just pray Sebasta can bring in some high end talent at dline

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Maybe, but regardless of personnel, when I see a 2 or 3 man rush, I'm pretty sure it's not going to work if what you are after is pressure on the QB. And, if you think your DBs are going to be able to cover forever, that's a pipe dream. Could it all be about personnel? I don't know, but I do know that teams seem to be able to turn things around when they change coaches(witness UW) one year to the next. So, maybe Wilcox/Sirmon aren't inept, but they need to prove they are not. I am hopefully waiting.

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By the end, penix looked like someone who didn't want to take a hit. Like…at all.

To be clear, I don't blame him one bit. His oline was trash. And so were his receivers.

I have no idea how good penix will be at the next level. I could see arguments either way. But tonight did lead credence to the idea that Penix has looked good this year because his conditions were perfect (all day to throw to elite WRs).

I'm not sure how well he's going to do next year when the throwing windows are smaller and you need to process things much faster. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ended up being just another Ryan leaf.

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I agree. In the NFL, on most downs he is going to see pressure like he saw tonight. He is going to have to get rid of the ball faster, or he won't make it.

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You'd have to be an idiot to not concede that Penix was just awful tonight. Are you his father?

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I've got $500 that he goes in the Top 5.
Wanna play Big Guy?

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Here is one projection of the first round of the upcoming NFL draft. 4 quarterbacks are projected to go in the first round, and Penix isn't one of them. And this list was compiled prior to tonight's disastrous performance by Penix.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-mock-draft-2024-jj-mccarthy-among-four-qbs-to-be-first-round-picks/ar-AA1mDgZv

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Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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I don't believe that Wilcox/sirmon are so inept that they don't understand this. They just probably believe they simply don't have the personnel to play more aggressively.

I think Wilcox's bigger issue is not necessarily scheme but an inability to recruit/develop high impact pass rushers. As Michigan made clear, that's where the game is won or lost, and we've been deficient in the Dline for years. It's why the Niners spend their entire salary cap on Dlinenan. If you can rush 4 and get pressure, you're going to win.

So let's just pray Sebasta can bring in some high end talent at dline

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So other than being from Oregon and having played for Justin Wilcox at Boise State, why is Andrew Browning not questioned as DL coach? Seems to me we need a great recruiter in the role.

Watching this game, Cal Strong noticed that the difference between these two teams and Cal boils down to three areas:

Their players are good at playing college football. Ours are not.
Their coaches are good at coaching college football. Ours are not.
Their teams are good at winning college football games. Ours is not.

As far as Cal Strong can tell, these are the three issues we need to improve on in order to make the playoffs and then the National Championship gamel

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Watching this game, Cal Strong noticed that the difference between these two teams and Cal boils down to three areas:

Their players are good at playing college football. Ours are not.
Their coaches are good at coaching college football. Ours are not.
Their teams are good at winning college football games. Ours is not.

As far as Cal Strong can tell, these are the three issues we need to improve on in order to make the playoffs and then the National Championship gamel

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Comparing myself to Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, the major difference is they have more money than me. Once I address that one issue I will be the richest man in the world,

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If only our QBs were able to make quick release throws instead of scrambling for their lives

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When Mendoza was successful, that is what we had. Against better defenses, not so much.

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And that's the problem, it took the best Dline in the country to make Penix look like Mendoza against average pac12 defenses. If we can't get a top tier OLine, the only thing we can hope for is a generational QB that for some reason wants to play for Cal

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Sounds like you made the case for a top tier DLine too.

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Watching this game, Cal Strong noticed that the difference between these two teams and Cal boils down to three areas:

Their players are good at playing college football. Ours are not.
Their coaches are good at coaching college football. Ours are not.
Their teams are good at winning college football games. Ours is not.

As far as Cal Strong can tell, these are the three issues we need to improve on in order to make the playoffs and then the National Championship gamel

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If we're boiling... Michigan > Cal at winning football games.

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If only our QBs were able to make quick release throws instead of scrambling for their lives

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When Mendoza was successful, that is what we had. Against better defenses, not so much.

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And that's the problem, it took the best Dline in the country to make Penix look like Mendoza against average pac12 defenses. If we can't get a top tier OLine, the only thing we can hope for is a generational QB that for some reason wants to play for Cal

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Sounds like you made the case for a top tier DLine too.

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Yea but stating the obvious that our mediocre defensive HC sucks at fielding a defense is beating a dead horse at this point

Watching this game, Okadyo noticed that the difference between these two teams and Cal boils down to three areas:

Their players are great at playing college football. Ours are pretty good.
Their coaches are great at coaching college football and one of them is a cheater. Ours aren't cheaters.
Their teams are good at winning college football games, especially against Tulsa, UNLV, East Carolina and Bowling Green and Rutgers. Ours are not.

As far as Okadyo can tell, these are the three issues we need to improve on in order to make the playoffs and then the National Championship game.

The lack of an good to elite edge rusher has been a challenge at cal for nearly 2 decades. And a lot comes down to the fact that such kids, even more than qb or runners l, are the very most sought after position player in football. They are rare and thus know they have a higher than average chance to play at the next level. If that is your likely career trajectory why cal? It is like asking why a rock star data ai geek who is getting patents as a teenager would choose lsu over cal.

But what that likely means is that vanilla defenses will sometime struggle at cal. When we have been good is when we have a linebacker like weaver we can line up anywhere and bring when want to from anywhere even if just rushing 4. Such lb are more common....we just haven had one for a few years.

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Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

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Thank You.

It's shocking to see so many posters completely miss this ^^^
Their simpleton analysis comes down to blaming Penix when his OLine couldnt stop their grandmother.
They clearly didnt watch him play at all this season.

CAL hasn't put any pressure on opposing QB's since the Tedford years.
That's why we lose. We make average quarterbacks look like John Elway.
And Andrew Browning is in his 5th season as the DLine coach.

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MrGPAC said:

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Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

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Thank You.

It's shocking to see so many posters completely miss this ^^^
Their simpleton analysis comes down to blaming Penix when his OLine couldnt stop their grandmother.
They clearly didnt watch him play at all this season.

CAL hasn't put any pressure on opposing QB's since the Tedford years.
That's why we lose. We make average quarterbacks look like John Elway.
And Andrew Browning is in his 5th season as the DLine coach.

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It is shocking that you think a near 25 year old QB that folded under pressure will be a top 5 pick. I don't want to bet you $500. However, I will make this bet. If Penix goes top 5, I will never insult a poster (even generally) unless in response to being directly insulted by him or her. If Penix does not get picked top 5, you will do the same. Please accept before I withdraw the offer!

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By the end, penix looked like someone who didn't want to take a hit. Like…at all.

To be clear, I don't blame him one bit. His oline was trash. And so were his receivers.

I have no idea how good penix will be at the next level. I could see arguments either way. But tonight did lead credence to the idea that Penix has looked good this year because his conditions were perfect (all day to throw to elite WRs).

I'm not sure how well he's going to do next year when the throwing windows are smaller and you need to process things much faster. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ended up being just another Ryan leaf.

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I agree. In the NFL, on most downs he is going to see pressure like he saw tonight. He is going to have to get rid of the ball faster, or he won't make it.

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unless he plays for the NY Jets, he will at least have two seconds to make a play. Last night he was constantly making split second throws to the line of scrimmage from pressure

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I think Wilcox's bigger issue is not necessarily scheme but an inability to recruit/develop high impact pass rushers. As Michigan made clear, that's where the game is won or lost, and we've been deficient in the Dline for years. It's why the Niners spend their entire salary cap on Dlinenan. If you can rush 4 and get pressure, you're going to win.

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Exactly. Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.

There are maybe half a dozen head coaches currently coaching in CFB who can consistently take C-level talent and get B-level results, or take B-level talent and get A-level results. Kyle Whittingham does it. Very few others. Everyone else is getting results that are roughly comparable to the talent level of their roster.

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Which of course was stark contrast to Cal's game with Washington. Cal let Penix get extremely comforatable before he set foot on the field. The job of the defense is to make the QB uncomforatable. Cal's defense seems to do the opposite, waiting for the opposing qb to make a mistake instead of forcing one. You could get away with that 20 years ago but you can't anymore, not with the current offenses and talent levels at QB throughout college football.

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I don't believe that Wilcox/sirmon are so inept that they don't understand this. They just probably believe they simply don't have the personnel to play more aggressively.

I think Wilcox's bigger issue is not necessarily scheme but an inability to recruit/develop high impact pass rushers. As Michigan made clear, that's where the game is won or lost, and we've been deficient in the Dline for years. It's why the Niners spend their entire salary cap on Dlinenan. If you can rush 4 and get pressure, you're going to win.

So let's just pray Sebasta can bring in some high end talent at dline

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Maybe, but regardless of personnel, when I see a 2 or 3 man rush, I'm pretty sure it's not going to work if what you are after is pressure on the QB. And, if you think your DBs are going to be able to cover forever, that's a pipe dream. Could it all be about personnel? I don't know, but I do know that teams seem to be able to turn things around when they change coaches(witness UW) one year to the next. So, maybe Wilcox/Sirmon aren't inept, but they need to prove they are not. I am hopefully waiting.

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UW had recruited at a high level prior to the new coaching staff. As has been pointed out, Penix was the missing piece as a transfer, but the vast majority of their starters were homegrown.

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DiabloWags said:

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Penix was off because Michigan's DL made him off.

Washington's offense worked entirely through the OL. The OL dominated every team they played, including Texas in the semis and the entire Pac12. With that dominant OL Penix was able to get into a groove, settle down, and make amazing throws.

Michigan took away Washingtons biggest advantage and the rest of the team crumbled. The pressure they got with 4 rushers was insane.

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Thank You.

It's shocking to see so many posters completely miss this ^^^
Their simpleton analysis comes down to blaming Penix when his OLine couldnt stop their grandmother.
They clearly didnt watch him play at all this season.

CAL hasn't put any pressure on opposing QB's since the Tedford years.
That's why we lose. We make average quarterbacks look like John Elway.
And Andrew Browning is in his 5th season as the DLine coach.

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It is shocking that you think a near 25 year old QB that folded under pressure will be a top 5 pick. I don't want to bet you $500. However, I will make this bet. If Penix goes top 5, I will never insult a poster (even generally) unless in response to being directly insulted by him or her. If Penix does not get picked top 5, you will do the same. Please accept before I withdraw the offer!

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Make sure bet doesn't include Canada

Unreal how The Huskies lines just got manhandled like they had never played a game. Both lines, its crazy. The Oline not only wasnt physical, but they didnt recognize anything the defense was doing.

Compared to previous games, it was just crazy looking how poorly they played.

The QB play was good enough to stay in the game, but the number of drops was ridiculous, the pressure was ridiculous, and the coverage was absurdly good.


Anyone blaming QB play probably loses at Three Card Monty a lot. An amateur magicians dream audience member.

I didn't watch the game but with all the criticism I'm reading about the mutts now I kinda want to.