Alkiadt said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Alkiadt said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This is delicious watching all of these dawgs melt down. They just played in the national championship. They get to join the big 10, they get free cash from alabama to hire another coach, and the fans are bawling and saying they're done with football and cancelling their season tickets?

what a bunch of you-know-whats. they deserve SO much worse after what they did to our conference. i hope they suffer mightily, but they won't.

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We may be in a similar situation if Washington comes calling for the esteemed Justin Wilcox.

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I am amazed that people seem to have forgotten that Wilcox has a buyout equal to his contract....or they just want to post garbage? Or am I missing all the sarcasm?
Nobody's interviewing Wilcox until Wilcox asks to reduce his buyout requirement, which equals his remaining contract terms. $20M.. That's the conundrum of the Wilcox contract.

Please people, let's be real

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Are you suggesting that Cal would require Justin to pay UC "his" buyout if he leaves? Curious.

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Of course (and the poaching school technically funds the buyout). Wilcox can't look to leave to get a better deal, that deal was already written. That's why he isn't going anywhere. When Wilcox's contract was renegotiated Cal had had some success (Red Box bowl) and the program was showing some signs of improvement. Yes, hindsight is always 20-20, but the contract is what it is. Hoping to have Wilcox fired or have another program hire him away at this point is a waste of time. Support him while he's here, as it won't likely change for at least another year or two either way. The contract is a two-way agreement. Obviously, a reduced negotiated amount could be reached at some point, but Alabama just paid UW a boatload of money to take Deboer. That's the business (and risks to both parties) and why buyouts are put into contracts. You're thinking Cal should just let Wilcox leave under Cal's current Athletic Dept. economic conditions? That won't happen.

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Please clarify. If he is fired, he gets paid $20,000,000.00 by UC. If he is hired by someone, they pay UC $20,000,000.00? That's almost twice what Washington was paid by Alabama. Can't be right.

Bobodeluxe said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Alkiadt said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This is delicious watching all of these dawgs melt down. They just played in the national championship. They get to join the big 10, they get free cash from alabama to hire another coach, and the fans are bawling and saying they're done with football and cancelling their season tickets?

what a bunch of you-know-whats. they deserve SO much worse after what they did to our conference. i hope they suffer mightily, but they won't.

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We may be in a similar situation if Washington comes calling for the esteemed Justin Wilcox.

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I am amazed that people seem to have forgotten that Wilcox has a buyout equal to his contract....or they just want to post garbage? Or am I missing all the sarcasm?
Nobody's interviewing Wilcox until Wilcox asks to reduce his buyout requirement, which equals his remaining contract terms. $20M.. That's the conundrum of the Wilcox contract.

Please people, let's be real

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Are you suggesting that Cal would require Justin to pay UC "his" buyout if he leaves? Curious.

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Of course (and the poaching school technically funds the buyout). Wilcox can't look to leave to get a better deal, that deal was already written. That's why he isn't going anywhere. When Wilcox's contract was renegotiated Cal had had some success (Red Box bowl) and the program was showing some signs of improvement. Yes, hindsight is always 20-20, but the contract is what it is. Hoping to have Wilcox fired or have another program hire him away at this point is a waste of time. Support him while he's here, as it won't likely change for at least another year or two either way. The contract is a two-way agreement. Obviously, a reduced negotiated amount could be reached at some point, but Alabama just paid UW a boatload of money to take Deboer. That's the business (and risks to both parties) and why buyouts are put into contracts. You're thinking Cal should just let Wilcox leave under Cal's current Athletic Dept. economic conditions? That won't happen.

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Please clarify. If he is fired, he gets paid $20,000,000.00 by UC. If he is hired by someone, they pay UC $20,000,000.00? That's almost twice what Washington was paid by Alabama. Can't be right.

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Yep. That's the terms. Obviously in hindsight it sucks, but it is what it is.

This is why Wilcox isn't going anywhere soon unless one of two things happen; he resigns, or he accepts a reduced buyout to coach somewhere else.

Alkiadt said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Alkiadt said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This is delicious watching all of these dawgs melt down. They just played in the national championship. They get to join the big 10, they get free cash from alabama to hire another coach, and the fans are bawling and saying they're done with football and cancelling their season tickets?

what a bunch of you-know-whats. they deserve SO much worse after what they did to our conference. i hope they suffer mightily, but they won't.

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We may be in a similar situation if Washington comes calling for the esteemed Justin Wilcox.

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I am amazed that people seem to have forgotten that Wilcox has a buyout equal to his contract....or they just want to post garbage? Or am I missing all the sarcasm?
Nobody's interviewing Wilcox until Wilcox asks to reduce his buyout requirement, which equals his remaining contract terms. $20M.. That's the conundrum of the Wilcox contract.

Please people, let's be real

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Are you suggesting that Cal would require Justin to pay UC "his" buyout if he leaves? Curious.

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Of course (and the poaching school technically funds the buyout). Wilcox can't look to leave to get a better deal, that deal was already written. That's why he isn't going anywhere. When Wilcox's contract was renegotiated Cal had had some success (Red Box bowl) and the program was showing some signs of improvement. Yes, hindsight is always 20-20, but the contract is what it is. Hoping to have Wilcox fired or have another program hire him away at this point is a waste of time. Support him while he's here, as it won't likely change for at least another year or two either way. The contract is a two-way agreement. Obviously, a reduced negotiated amount could be reached at some point, but Alabama just paid UW a boatload of money to take Deboer. That's the business (and risks to both parties) and why buyouts are put into contracts. You're thinking Cal should just let Wilcox leave under Cal's current Athletic Dept. economic conditions? That won't happen.

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Please clarify. If he is fired, he gets paid $20,000,000.00 by UC. If he is hired by someone, they pay UC $20,000,000.00? That's almost twice what Washington was paid by Alabama. Can't be right.

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Yep. That's the terms. Obviously in hindsight it sucks, but it is what it is. And by the way, UC would pay a small portion. Donors would pick up the lion's share. That's why the most outspoken here calling for Cal to fire him are repeatedly asked by others if they're writing the check.

This is why Wilcox isn't going anywhere soon unless one of two things happen; he resigns, or he accepts a reduced buyout to coach somewhere else.

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No, I believe you all are mistaking our buyout for what another program has to pay. If the Coach (Wilcox) terminates the contract, he must pay 3M at this time, not 20. Contract here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/180yVcXg1jUXtY12krBBz9SxiWiA9Hzrq?usp=sharing

I might add this makes Knowlton's decision even worse... it (at the outset of the extension) costs us 30M to buy him out but only 4M for another program to poach him. Pretty much locked ourselves in while making it cheap for another program to take him, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Regardless, please let me know if I'm missing out on something or if someone who is more well versed in the legal fields wants to weigh in. As far as I can tell, Washington (or any other program) would owe us 3M, not 20.

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No, I believe you all are mistaking our buyout for what another program has to pay. If the Coach (Wilcox) terminates the contract, he must pay 3M at this time, not 20. Contract here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/180yVcXg1jUXtY12krBBz9SxiWiA9Hzrq?usp=sharing

I might add this makes Knowlton's decision even worse... it (at the outset of the extension) costs us 30M to buy him out but only 4M for another program to poach him. Pretty much locked ourselves in while making it cheap for another program to take him, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Regardless, please let me know if I'm missing out on something or if someone who is more well versed in the legal fields wants to weigh in. As far as I can tell, Washington (or any other program) would owe us 3M, not 20.

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Sebasta (who I think would know) disagrees.

I mean the contract is what it is, right? The words are right there. The clause for termination by coach is pretty explicit. Not blaming anyone (I presumed it was 20M on both ends until I reread the contract). Looks like 3M to me. It's a pretty short contract and we're all Cal folks here, I trust we can all read and interpret it.

In case anyone doesn't want to click the link (it's just a Google Drive folder with the pdfs, but I get it), here's a screenshot of the Termination by Coach clause

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I might add this makes Knowlton's decision even worse... .

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He's the gift that keeps on giving.

Meanwhile, Wilcox's agent is cackling while he feeds rumors of his candidacy for the UW job…

Wilcox to Michigan

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39307977/source-chargers-first-meet-jim-harbaugh-vacancy

Austin Mack in the portal. Does he want to come home?

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Wilcox to Michigan

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39307977/source-chargers-first-meet-jim-harbaugh-vacancy

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LOL!

Alkiadt said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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No, I believe you all are mistaking our buyout for what another program has to pay. If the Coach (Wilcox) terminates the contract, he must pay 3M at this time, not 20. Contract here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/180yVcXg1jUXtY12krBBz9SxiWiA9Hzrq?usp=sharing

I might add this makes Knowlton's decision even worse... it (at the outset of the extension) costs us 30M to buy him out but only 4M for another program to poach him. Pretty much locked ourselves in while making it cheap for another program to take him, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Regardless, please let me know if I'm missing out on something or if someone who is more well versed in the legal fields wants to weigh in. As far as I can tell, Washington (or any other program) would owe us 3M, not 20.

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Sebasta (who I think would know) disagrees.

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Sources later told ESPN's Adam Rittenberg that Arizona had scheduled a 6 p.m. ET staff meeting and a 6:30 p.m. ET team meeting, where Fisch is expected to announce his departure to Washington.

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39308775/washington-targeting-arizona-jedd-fisch-coach

Fisch to Washington

Arizona's Jedd Fisch has agreed to a deal to be the next coach at Washington, sources told ESPN on Sunday, with a formal announcement expected later.

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Arizona's Jedd Fisch has agreed to a deal to be the next coach at Washington, sources told ESPN on Sunday, with a formal announcement expected later.

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Nice hire. How many 'Zona players will follow.

U of A, aw man, sucks.

pic.twitter.com/XHFocNHwNY

— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) January 14, 2024

The only move now for Zona is Brennan Carroll. He may not work out as a HC but you have to send a message. Maybe Pete will consult to help him too.

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Arizona's Jedd Fisch has agreed to a deal to be the next coach at Washington, sources told ESPN on Sunday, with a formal announcement expected later.

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Nice hire. How many 'Zona players will follow.

U of A, aw man, sucks.

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Truly. When coaches leave they really do a disservice to vet players, recruits, assistants, and fans. And Arizona did so well this year! Is this the future??

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Arizona's Jedd Fisch has agreed to a deal to be the next coach at Washington, sources told ESPN on Sunday, with a formal announcement expected later.

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Nice hire. How many 'Zona players will follow.

U of A, aw man, sucks.

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Truly. When coaches leave they really do a disservice to vet players, recruits, assistants, and fans. And Arizona did so well this year! Is this the future??

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It is the present. The ginormous money offered, which will secure comfortable lives for several generations of progeny, make these decisions inevitable. Doing what you love with different laundry on the players.

How long will the public care to follow the games?

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Arizona's Jedd Fisch has agreed to a deal to be the next coach at Washington, sources told ESPN on Sunday, with a formal announcement expected later.

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Nice hire. How many 'Zona players will follow.

U of A, aw man, sucks.

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Truly. When coaches leave they really do a disservice to vet players, recruits, assistants, and fans. And Arizona did so well this year! Is this the future??

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Yes, but actually no. Players who have a coach leave can leave as well. They have a choice. Stay or go. The fans definitely lose. This move is actually pretty interesting. Arizona were primed to be successful next year. I think they are (were) the odds on favorite to win the Big 12. Now, that's gone away. I would think at least 20 players leave. Adios Wildcats. I don't feel sorry for you.

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Adios Wildcats. I don't feel sorry for you.

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Same. They were half a step behind Colorado in their rush to leave the Pac-12 and they did as much to destabilize the conference as any member other than USC and UCLA. Their internet fans were absolutely shttty about it for a solid year. No tears for those clowns.

LOL, Arizona... even Cal has gone to the Rose Bowl. Think about that for a moment. Every Pac 12 team has been to the Rose Bowl except you. Even Cal !

And to think, you had come so far, so fast recently, too. Well, have fun in the Big 12 or wherever. It's actually probably the perfect time to start over in football... again.

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No, I believe you all are mistaking our buyout for what another program has to pay. If the Coach (Wilcox) terminates the contract, he must pay 3M at this time, not 20. Contract here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/180yVcXg1jUXtY12krBBz9SxiWiA9Hzrq?usp=sharing

I might add this makes Knowlton's decision even worse... it (at the outset of the extension) costs us 30M to buy him out but only 4M for another program to poach him. Pretty much locked ourselves in while making it cheap for another program to take him, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Regardless, please let me know if I'm missing out on something or if someone who is more well versed in the legal fields wants to weigh in. As far as I can tell, Washington (or any other program) would owe us 3M, not 20.

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If donors are the ones paying for this "contract" then Knowlton isn't really the guy making the decision. The donors wanted it this way. They thought they had their guy in Wilcox and were scared to lose him. If you don't like that decision and want to gamble on someone better, be the biggest donor and you can shut everyone else up. Wish we had a few of those in the mix, but clearly we do not.

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This is rhetorical by the way. Not directed at "you" personally

It's funny how little I now care or worry about former PAC12 teams. Eventually I guess this board will too.

Wilcox.
Not a Golden Parachute.
It was the Golden HANDCUFF.

Grrrrah76 said:

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It's funny how little I now care or worry about former PAC12 teams. Eventually I guess this board will too.

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The UC Berkeley Bears! Remember them?

Bobodeluxe said:

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How long will the public care to follow the games?

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Casuals will keep watching playoff games and Big Ten/SEC games. The rest of CFB stands to lose a lot of its TV audience for regular season games, IMO, but I doubt that bothers the TV execs very much.

Michigan-Alabama and Michigan-Washington each had more than 25 million viewers. That's far more than any non-sports program. The only programs on TV last year, 2023, that had more viewers were a bunch of NFL games.

Sports other than football draw larger audiences than non-sports programming, but still quite a bit less than NFL or CFB playoff games. The last game of the NBA finals had 13 million viewers, the last game of the World Series had 11.6 million.

Grrrrah76 said:

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It's funny how little I now care or worry about former PAC12 teams. Eventually I guess this board will too.

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It's funny how I grouse about players committing to SC or UCLA or ..., only to realize that those players will have no bearing on how we do. It'll take time, after 50 years of caring.