Serious question: is there anything we as fans can collectively do to push him over the edge? Officials at universities are generally insulated from reactionary fan outrage but with the scandals under his watch, him being asleep at the wheel when it came to the most tenuous circumstances in Cal Athletic history, him phoning it in from Colorado, lackluster results during his tenure, his seemingly intractable nature, and the donors and fans themselves doing the heavy-lifting in all matters of importance and crisis I would think a fan campaign at this point could reasonably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on his reign of terror.

It would probably have to wait until the new Chancellor is in office but my question is what would be the best way for all of us as fans to get the point across that a change needs to be made at the head of the athletic department? Obviously a boycott and withholding money from NIL and other donations would be effective but it would take at least a year or two and it would be a case of us as fans voting our noses to spite our faces as it would prevent us from enjoying something we all love and possibly cripple our program at a very important watershed moment in college sports.

I'm looking for something on a more expedited timeline that could provide immediate relief. Would a letter campaign, gofundme, petition, or other outspoken message with tens of thousands of individual participants provide the activation energy necessary to break the inertia? If anyone has any good ideas I'm more than willing to devote my time and efforts to making it happen, I just need to know the best and most realistic path forward and I trust the overall brainpower of this community if not all of you individually ;-)

Is his dissertation publicly available?

Why talk about this now, if we suck this season in the ACC we can resurface this but...

Its old and its tired. Enjoy the success we have had.

Let's bait him in saying something that can be construed as supporting Hamas

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Let's bait him in saying something that can be construed as supporting Hamas

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Or Israel?

No one has been fired for supporting Israel

Bearly Clad said:

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Serious question: is there anything we as fans can collectively do to push him over the edge? Officials at universities are generally insulated from reactionary fan outrage but with the scandals under his watch, him being asleep at the wheel when it came to the most tenuous circumstances in Cal Athletic history, him phoning it in from Colorado, lackluster results during his tenure, his seemingly intractable nature, and the donors and fans themselves doing the heavy-lifting in all matters of importance and crisis I would think a fan campaign at this point could reasonably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on his reign of terror.

It would probably have to wait until the new Chancellor is in office but my question is what would be the best way for all of us as fans to get the point across that a change needs to be made at the head of the athletic department? Obviously a boycott and withholding money from NIL and other donations would be effective but it would take at least a year or two and it would be a case of us as fans voting our noses to spite our faces as it would prevent us from enjoying something we all love and possibly cripple our program at a very important watershed moment in college sports.

I'm looking for something on a more expedited timeline that could provide immediate relief. Would a letter campaign, gofundme, petition, or other outspoken message with tens of thousands of individual participants provide the activation energy necessary to break the inertia? If anyone has any good ideas I'm more than willing to devote my time and efforts to making it happen, I just need to know the best and most realistic path forward and I trust the overall brainpower of this community if not all of you individually ;-)

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Cast a spell over him and make him a vocal, public advocate for Cal football. He'll be gone before COB.

DoubtfulBear said:

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No one has been fired for supporting Israel

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*yet
**see Joe Biden 2024

CNHTH said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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No one has been fired for supporting Israel

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*yet
**see Joe Biden 2024

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Not a chance

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CNHTH said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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No one has been fired for supporting Israel

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*yet
**see Joe Biden 2024

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Not a chance

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I hope you're right but I dunno man?
Every time I travel to florida it seems like there's more trumpers than the last time I was their 2 months prior.

Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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oskidunker said:

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CNHTH said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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No one has been fired for supporting Israel

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*yet
**see Joe Biden 2024

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Not a chance

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I hope you're right but I dunno man?
Every time I travel to florida it seems like there's more trumpers than the last time I was their 2 months prior.

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20% of republicans wont vote for trump.but anything is possible, i guess.

A well timed encounter between a reporter, Knowlton, and 10 naked strippers ought to do the trick. This **** isn't that hard.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Let's bait him in saying something that can be construed as supporting Hamas

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Or Israel?

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if it pisses off both then he's done..

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A well timed encounter between a reporter, Knowlton, and 10 naked strippers ought to do the trick. This **** isn't that hard.

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knowlton has played dodge ball with every interview request during the last 2 years except his fiasco interview with the intrepid jeff faraudo...even in that interview knowlton required that the questions be sent to him in advance

james arthur knowlton is a worthless ******* bureaucrat

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CALiforniALUM said:

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A well timed encounter between a reporter, Knowlton, and 10 naked strippers ought to do the trick. This **** isn't that hard.

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knowlton has played dodge ball with every interview request during the last 2 years except his fiasco interview with the intrepid jeff faraudo...even in that interview knowlton required that the questions be sent to him in advance

james arthur knowlton is a worthless ******* bureaucrat

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Worthless as in worth less than zero, because he destroys value, he has cost Cal $millions. As I have said since he was hired, we will be lucky to even still have an athletics department when he is done.

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Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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The Collective is the one chance we have of surviving Knowlton. Neither he nor the IAD have any control over the money donated to the Collective, which not only keeps us relevant in the short term but attractive to quality potential coaches in the long term. The Collective allowed us to attract Mark Madsen; without it we would be limited to coaches like Wyking Jones and Mark Fox who have no other options.

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Cal Strong! said:

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Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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The Collective is the one chance we have of surviving Knowlton. Neither he nor the IAD have any control over the money donated to the Collective, which not only keeps us relevant in the short term but attractive to quality potential coaches in the long term. The Collective allowed us to attract Mark Madsen; without it we would be limited to coaches like Wyking Jones and Mark Fox who have no other options.

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Again, Cal Strong completely disagree with this.

Without the collective we also attracted Jeff Tedford, Lindsey Gottlieb, Cuonzo Martin, Monty, etc.

The collective will be very important once we have strong leadership in place. Until then, any donations to IAD or the Collective sends the senior leadership the message that the fanbase supports its current direction.

Pay to hire a Big Law firm specializing in HR for a review of the McKeever situation with Opinion due late spring. Christ fires for cause on her way out the door. New Chancellor replaces.

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Cal Strong! said:

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Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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The Collective is the one chance we have of surviving Knowlton. Neither he nor the IAD have any control over the money donated to the Collective, which not only keeps us relevant in the short term but attractive to quality potential coaches in the long term. The Collective allowed us to attract Mark Madsen; without it we would be limited to coaches like Wyking Jones and Mark Fox who have no other options.

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Again, Cal Strong completely disagree with this.

Without the collective we also attracted Jeff Tedford, Lindsey Gottlieb, Cuonzo Martin, Monty, etc.

The collective will be very important once we have strong leadership in place. Until then, any donations to IAD or the Collective sends the senior leadership the message that the fanbase supports its current direction.

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That was before NIL when any payments made to athletes were under the table and came with significant risks. Now every school needs to have an NIL collective just to keep up though in our case we need to spend more if we want to do better.

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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The Collective is the one chance we have of surviving Knowlton. Neither he nor the IAD have any control over the money donated to the Collective, which not only keeps us relevant in the short term but attractive to quality potential coaches in the long term. The Collective allowed us to attract Mark Madsen; without it we would be limited to coaches like Wyking Jones and Mark Fox who have no other options.

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Again, Cal Strong completely disagree with this.

Without the collective we also attracted Jeff Tedford, Lindsey Gottlieb, Cuonzo Martin, Monty, etc.

The collective will be very important once we have strong leadership in place. Until then, any donations to IAD or the Collective sends the senior leadership the message that the fanbase supports its current direction.

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That was before NIL when any payments made to athletes were under the table and came with significant risks. Now every school needs to have an NIL collective just to keep up though in our case we need to spend more if we want to do better.

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Southseabear is the one who mentioned Wyking Jones and Mark Fox -- who were before NIL. Cal Strong was responding in kind.

As Cal Strong has pointed out in other threads, there will be a rush of donations from smart and strong alumni once we have smart and strong leadership. Until then, we are just throwing money in a bottomless pit without any results.

Until the system develops guard rails, we will need to spend more to be successful. But not on this regime. On this regime, we need to spend WAY LESS. Cut them off entirely. Send a clear message to the university leaders we are not going to support this crooked losing coach or this incompetent AD.

Then turn the spigot on full blast once we have the right people in place.

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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Cal Strong offered $100 (? - can't recall, but he seems to remember it was $100) to those who would wear a paper bag on their head with a message penned in sharpie protesting Knowlton.

If 30-50 people did that while sitting together and got on tv, that might have worked.

Cal Strong also advocates not giving a single penny to IAD or the Collective until Knowlton is replaced.

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The Collective is the one chance we have of surviving Knowlton. Neither he nor the IAD have any control over the money donated to the Collective, which not only keeps us relevant in the short term but attractive to quality potential coaches in the long term. The Collective allowed us to attract Mark Madsen; without it we would be limited to coaches like Wyking Jones and Mark Fox who have no other options.

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Again, Cal Strong completely disagree with this.

Without the collective we also attracted Jeff Tedford, Lindsey Gottlieb, Cuonzo Martin, Monty, etc.

The collective will be very important once we have strong leadership in place. Until then, any donations to IAD or the Collective sends the senior leadership the message that the fanbase supports its current direction.

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That was before NIL when any payments made to athletes were under the table and came with significant risks. Now every school needs to have an NIL collective just to keep up though in our case we need to spend more if we want to do better.

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Southseabear is the one who mentioned Wyking Jones and Mark Fox -- who were before NIL. Cal Strong was responding in kind.

As Cal Strong has pointed out in other threads, there will be a rush of donations from smart and strong alumni once we have smart and strong leadership. Until then, we are just throwing money in a bottomless pit without any results.

We probably need to spend more. But not on this regime. On this regime, we need to spend WAY LESS. Cut them off entirely. Send a clear message to the university leaders we are not going to support this crooked losing coach or this incompetent AD.

Then turn the spigot on full blast once we have the right people in place.

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Southseasbear is reacting emotionally, which is understandable. But the data seems to suggest the opposite.

Cal has not had a head football coach offer rejected in three decades. Sonny (a Texas guy) kept harping about the Bay Area being the location he always wanted to live. Tedford turned down multiple other offers to stay here. Sandy mentioned several times her disgust at how many other coaches from CFB and the NFL were sending her their resumes and reaching out before she even made a decision on Tedford. Back when Chris Petersen was at Boise, he would tell close friends that the only two jobs he would ever leave the Broncos for was Cal or UW. And if you actually believe Wilcox (ha!), he had two offers to go to Oregon but thought Cal was a better job.

We have great facilities, a perfect location, an elite university. And we pay more than a coach can get anywhere else (who else would be generous enough to pay Justin Wilcox $4.5m/year?!?!?!)

Cal Strong suspects that Southseasbear's thinking is based on years after years of on-the-field disappointment. But the data seems to suggest we always get our guy.

If/when we get strong and competent leadership, "our guy" will finally be someone worth getting!

The defeatism on this site hs reached new heights. Hell, we beat the Buffs in hoops and you'd think we got our asses kicked.

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Southseasbear is reacting emotionally, which is understandable. But the data seems to suggest the opposite.

Cal has not had a head football coach offer rejected in three decades. Sonny (a Texas guy) kept harping about the Bay Area being the location he always wanted to live. Tedford turned down multiple other offers to stay here. Sandy mentioned several times her disgust at how many other coaches from CFB and the NFL were sending her their resumes and reaching out before she even made a decision on Tedford. Back when Chris Petersen was at Boise, he would tell close friends that the only two jobs he would ever leave the Broncos for was Cal or UW. And if you actually believe Wilcox (ha!), he had two offers to go to Oregon but thought Cal was a better job.

We have great facilities, a perfect location, an elite university. And we pay more than a coach can get anywhere else (who else would be generous enough to pay Justin Wilcox $4.5m/year?!?!?!)

Cal Strong suspects that Southseasbear's thinking is based on years after years of on-the-field disappointment. But the data seems to suggest we always get our guy.

If/when we get strong and competent leadership, "our guy" will finally be someone worth getting!

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I'm reacting logically not emotionally.

1. You don't know what offers were made and rejected. The conversations happen between agents. I hear we did reach out to Peterson before he joined UW, but he was not interested. Was Sonny really the best we could get?

2. What offers did Tedford turn down? Were these real offers or just discussion that Tedford could use to negotiate a higher salary (as Wilcox did with Oregon and Knowlton with Duke). There was a rumor that the Chicago Bears offered him early in his career, which is hard to believe.

3. Even if Peterson said that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, just as Walsh said (before his 2nd stint at Stanford) that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, the fact is we did not get either Peterson or Walsh. And this was before NIL - Or more accurately before Cal fans boycott the Collective as you advocate.

4. Our facilities are good, not great. (Oregon has great facilities.) From what I hear they are average at best. (Even worse in basketball.)

5. Without the Collective, how long can we hold on to Ott? We are doing well in the portal precisely because of NIL.

6. Once we lose talent as a result of people boycotting the Collective, there is no guarantee the money will come back before the victories merely on the basis the Knowlton has been fired.

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Southseasbear is reacting emotionally, which is understandable. But the data seems to suggest the opposite.

Cal has not had a head football coach offer rejected in three decades. Sonny (a Texas guy) kept harping about the Bay Area being the location he always wanted to live. Tedford turned down multiple other offers to stay here. Sandy mentioned several times her disgust at how many other coaches from CFB and the NFL were sending her their resumes and reaching out before she even made a decision on Tedford. Back when Chris Petersen was at Boise, he would tell close friends that the only two jobs he would ever leave the Broncos for was Cal or UW. And if you actually believe Wilcox (ha!), he had two offers to go to Oregon but thought Cal was a better job.

We have great facilities, a perfect location, an elite university. And we pay more than a coach can get anywhere else (who else would be generous enough to pay Justin Wilcox $4.5m/year?!?!?!)

Cal Strong suspects that Southseasbear's thinking is based on years after years of on-the-field disappointment. But the data seems to suggest we always get our guy.

If/when we get strong and competent leadership, "our guy" will finally be someone worth getting!

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We pulled Cuonzo Martin from an SEC Team (Tennessee) immediately coming off a Sweet 16 run. Martin loved Berkeley. Our administration treated him horribly, but Missouri still had to offer a lot of money to get him away.

Eric Musselman was reportedly laser focused on getting the Cal job. We didn't want him.

Wyking Jones and Mark Fox were just bad hires made by unqualified, incompetent ADs. Fox especially. That is our problem. Instead of signing Wilcox out to year 11, we could have hired DeBoer or Fisch.

It is true that Martin and Montgomery were exceptions. Guys already proven at the highest level of college athletics, Like Stanford and most schools at our level we generally hire head coaches from a lower level (or coordinators in football, top assistants at big programs in basketball) at a "starters salary" in the $millions, far more than they ever made before, then give them raises and extensions if they are successful and their market value increases.

That is what UW did. They hired DeBoer from Fresno State paying him less than we were paying Wilcox last year. He took them to an undefeated regular season, the CFP and the National Championship Game. Now he is a hot commodity. Unfortunately for them, Saban just retired at Alabama and they are going to get the coach that they want. They are the Yankees or Dodgers.

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Southseasbear is reacting emotionally, which is understandable. But the data seems to suggest the opposite.

Cal has not had a head football coach offer rejected in three decades. Sonny (a Texas guy) kept harping about the Bay Area being the location he always wanted to live. Tedford turned down multiple other offers to stay here. Sandy mentioned several times her disgust at how many other coaches from CFB and the NFL were sending her their resumes and reaching out before she even made a decision on Tedford. Back when Chris Petersen was at Boise, he would tell close friends that the only two jobs he would ever leave the Broncos for was Cal or UW. And if you actually believe Wilcox (ha!), he had two offers to go to Oregon but thought Cal was a better job.

We have great facilities, a perfect location, an elite university. And we pay more than a coach can get anywhere else (who else would be generous enough to pay Justin Wilcox $4.5m/year?!?!?!)

Cal Strong suspects that Southseasbear's thinking is based on years after years of on-the-field disappointment. But the data seems to suggest we always get our guy.

If/when we get strong and competent leadership, "our guy" will finally be someone worth getting!

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I'm reacting logically not emotionally.

1. You don't know what offers were made and rejected. The conversations happen between agents. I hear we did reach out to Peterson before he joined UW, but he was not interested. Was Sonny really the best we could get?

2. What offers did Tedford turn down? Were these real offers or just discussion that Tedford could use to negotiate a higher salary (as Wilcox did with Oregon and Knowlton with Duke). There was a rumor that the Chicago Bears offered him early in his career, which is hard to believe.

3. Even if Peterson said that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, just as Walsh said (before his 2nd stint at Stanford) that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, the fact is we did not get either Peterson or Walsh. And this was before NIL - Or more accurately before Cal fans boycott the Collective as you advocate.

4. Our facilities are good, not great. (Oregon has great facilities.) From what I hear they are average at best. (Even worse in basketball.)

5. Without the Collective, how long can we hold on to Ott? We are doing well in the portal precisely because of NIL.

6. Once we lose talent as a result of people boycotting the Collective, there is no guarantee the money will come back before the victories merely on the basis the Knowlton has been fired.

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1. Yes Cal Strong does. Petersen wanted another year at Boise, which sucked for us. But it was known that the only two jobs he considered worthy of leaving Boise for was Cal or UW.
2. Atlanta Falcons and Chicago Bears HC. Who knows?
3. Sanders didn't care what the collective was before he took the job. He took the job, injected energy, and made their collective one of the best in the nation.
4. Who cares if we have good v.great football facilities? We have all one needs to win.
5. The collective can be juiced big time once we get the right people in place. Our recruiting ranking is 60, so it is not like we are crushing it even with the collective.
6. Yes. There. Is. Cal alumni love a winning football program. They stop caring after 2 decades of losing.

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Wyking Jones and Mark Fox were just bad hires made by unqualified, incompetent ADs. Fox especially. That is our problem. Instead of signing Wilcox out to year 11, we could have hired DeBoer or Fisch.

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That is exactly right. We could have had either if we had gotten there before UW or UA. Instead, we extended Wilcox for a trillion years the year before UW snatched up DeBoer.

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal has never been (at least in recent years) a desirable destination for coaches. Yes, we signed Tedford, but he was unknown and unproven. In fact his resume was less impressive than Gilbertson (who at least had some head coaching experience). Montgomery was a fluke, a guy who had already earned a spot in the college basketball HOF and had not been successful in the NBA. We gave him a chance to end his career on a high note without having to relocate out of the Bay Area. Plus, Braun had recruited decent talent. Without NIL our recruiting will suffer. More importantly, it's likely we will be relegated when the next realignment comes in a few years if we don't start winning. We were lucky the ACC took us (by one vote). If the ACC implodes there won't be any place for us to land.

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Southseasbear is reacting emotionally, which is understandable. But the data seems to suggest the opposite.

Cal has not had a head football coach offer rejected in three decades. Sonny (a Texas guy) kept harping about the Bay Area being the location he always wanted to live. Tedford turned down multiple other offers to stay here. Sandy mentioned several times her disgust at how many other coaches from CFB and the NFL were sending her their resumes and reaching out before she even made a decision on Tedford. Back when Chris Petersen was at Boise, he would tell close friends that the only two jobs he would ever leave the Broncos for was Cal or UW. And if you actually believe Wilcox (ha!), he had two offers to go to Oregon but thought Cal was a better job.

We have great facilities, a perfect location, an elite university. And we pay more than a coach can get anywhere else (who else would be generous enough to pay Justin Wilcox $4.5m/year?!?!?!)

Cal Strong suspects that Southseasbear's thinking is based on years after years of on-the-field disappointment. But the data seems to suggest we always get our guy.

If/when we get strong and competent leadership, "our guy" will finally be someone worth getting!

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I'm reacting logically not emotionally.

1. You don't know what offers were made and rejected. The conversations happen between agents. I hear we did reach out to Peterson before he joined UW, but he was not interested. Was Sonny really the best we could get?

2. What offers did Tedford turn down? Were these real offers or just discussion that Tedford could use to negotiate a higher salary (as Wilcox did with Oregon and Knowlton with Duke). There was a rumor that the Chicago Bears offered him early in his career, which is hard to believe.

3. Even if Peterson said that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, just as Walsh said (before his 2nd stint at Stanford) that we were one of 2 schools he would consider, the fact is we did not get either Peterson or Walsh. And this was before NIL - Or more accurately before Cal fans boycott the Collective as you advocate.

4. Our facilities are good, not great. (Oregon has great facilities.) From what I hear they are average at best. (Even worse in basketball.)

5. Without the Collective, how long can we hold on to Ott? We are doing well in the portal precisely because of NIL.

6. Once we lose talent as a result of people boycotting the Collective, there is no guarantee the money will come back before the victories merely on the basis the Knowlton has been fired.

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1. Yes Cal Strong does. Petersen wanted another year at Boise, which sucked for us. But it was known that the only two jobs he considered worthy of leaving Boise for was Cal or UW.
2. Atlanta Falcons and Chicago Bears HC. Who knows?
3. Sanders didn't care what the collective was before he took the job. He took the job, injected energy, and made their collective one of the best in the nation.
4. Who cares if we have good v.great football facilities? We have all one needs to win.
5. The collective can be juiced big time once we get the right people in place. Our recruiting ranking is 60, so it is not like we are crushing it even with the collective.
6. Yes. There. Is. Cal alumni love a winning football program. They stop caring after 2 decades of losing.

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

southseasbear said:

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The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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The program is being sabotaged by keeping an incompetent athletic director and a losing football coach in place.

southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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Everyone with a functioning brain understands this. You're talking to a guy who is intentionally pushing damaging disinformation as opinion using 2 separate accounts to appear like there's some agreement with the position. It would be pathetic if it weren't an intentional attack.