southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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You're playing with fire by supporting the collective.

The next realignment is just a few years away and if the administration still thinks the fans are willing to pony up with the current leadership, we will be stuck with Wilcox when the next realignment happens.

No conference in their right mind will want a JW coached team the next go round.

It is now or never. This goof has got to go, and it has to happen ASAP. Anything anyone does to support the current structure is delaying us from moving quickly to hire a good coach.

Looks like WalterSobchak finally found a way to both be wrong and an ______ at the same time.

Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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You're playing with fire by supporting the collective.

The next realignment is just a few years away and if the administration still thinks the fans are willing to pony up with the current leadership, we will be stuck with Wilcox when the next realignment happens.

No conference in their right mind will want a JW coached team the next go round.

It is now or never. This goof has got to go, and it has to happen ASAP. Anything anyone does to support the current structure is delaying us from moving quickly to hire a good coach.

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You want Wilcox gone? It will bucks. Lots of them. Where is the GoFundMe you organized? Without a bankroll, we can't afford to let him go.

southseasbear said:

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You want Wilcox gone? It will bucks. Lots of them. Where is the GoFundMe you organized? Without a bankroll, we can't afford to let him go.

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Why would this help anything when money isn't the issue?

The issue is the leadership thinks JK is an elite AD who is doing a great job. And JK thinks JW is a coveted coach.

The money is not the reason we haven't fired JK and JW. There is no reason to believe that it is.

WalterSobchak said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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Everyone with a functioning brain understands this. You're talking to a guy who is intentionally pushing damaging disinformation as opinion using 2 separate accounts to appear like there's some agreement with the position. It would be pathetic if it weren't an intentional attack.

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I don't normally say this, but it's time for BearGreg to ban this fool who is actively arguing against the best interests of Cal Athletics.

southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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Exactly. What he is advocating is far too risky and unrealistic we could lose everything. He has already said shutting down the program has already been contemplated.

The buyout size was stupid, it makes firing Wilcox incredibly expensive, money we don't have to spend. It is one of the reasons Knowlton should be gone.

Giving money to Sebasta and collective is the way to go. We need to survive the next few years until Wilcox's buyout is manageable and whatever major adjustments are made at the AD.

Please no politics. Go to OT. This is a joke.

DoubtfulBear said:

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No one has been fired for supporting Israel

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Easy to imagine Berkeley being the first to do so

sycasey said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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southseasbear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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southseasbear said:

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What you are failing to recognize is that Snyder, Marrucci, and Tedford came to Cal because they accurately saw that Cal had potential. If we fail to support the Collective, our recruiting/portal acquisitions will suffer. That makes us less desirable. You believe that people (like you) will stand on the sidelines ready to begin donating again once we have a new AD (and maybe football HC). That may be true. It's also possible that the donors won't come back. And if they don't come back in 3-4 years, we likely will be relegated to MWC (assuming they take us at the point, which is no certainty considering how they feel slighted by us).

The answer is not to sabotage the program by lowering the abilty to recruit talent.

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Cal has far more potential now with our generous salaries (we radically overpay our coaches vis-a-vis their abilitty) and excellent facilities.

Wilcox sabotaged the program with his fake Oregon offers.

Cal Strong is trying to save the program by making it clear to the administration that we will not stand for this.

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If you want to send a message to the university and athletic department administrations, don't donate to them.

The Collective is (by law) separate and permits the school to sign the better players. You're playing with fire because the next realignment may be just a few years away. If we are at the bottom of the ACC as we were in the Pac12 we will be left out. tThen there won't be any collective to receive any donations.

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Everyone with a functioning brain understands this. You're talking to a guy who is intentionally pushing damaging disinformation as opinion using 2 separate accounts to appear like there's some agreement with the position. It would be pathetic if it weren't an intentional attack.

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I don't normally say this, but it's time for BearGreg to ban this fool who is actively arguing against the best interests of Cal Athletics.

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I'm pretty sure that's what he did to both accounts. Hopefully he makes it permanent.
Guess I'm wrong. Bear Naked Ladies still posting.

Regarding someone's request to get Knowlton fired. Not sure I even want to, though in recently corresponding with him, and also in the past year or so, he has not been very forthcoming.

To get him fired, an effort which at least can lead for him to be more responsive to helpful suggestions, I suggest the following

1. With Christ apparently leaving soon, ask her if she is willing to make some demands upon Knowlton before she leaves.

2. Find out from her if any penalties imposed on Knowlton related to McKeever affair are done. I read a bit about what McKeever did and how Knowlton handled it, and it made me sick. I believe I read something aboutt a possible short penalty to ne imposed on Knowlton but don't know if it was true and what, if anything was followed through on to date by Cal.

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With regard to my comments to change are conference, I understand the that Cal has undoubtedly tied itself up contractually to the ACC, but who knows what will happen soon as to how rigid those rules will continue.

For those who haven't looked, there are tons of new articles, if seems daily, posted on the web, on possible FBS changes that could occur, including within the ACC. So there is a chance some new ideas might come to fruition, allowing a lot of new flexibility. Reviving the Pac Whatever conferene in a manner that will allow a number of schools that are in locations that are the best in the west at prviding great vacation possibilities would provide an incentive to change our ocnference structure and thus allow Cal to play in a ocnference that offered a number of instances where Cal could play in a great vacation spot. Cal playing every other year in Las Vegas. San Diego, and Hawaii, Twelve FBS teams will be allowed to compete in the FBS playoffs for the 2024 season.

Please have someone keep me abreast on these issues and any meeting relating to them that can be attended by Bear Insider members. Thanks.

Gobears49 said:

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Regarding someone's request to get Knowlton fired. Not sure I even want to, though in recently corresponding with him, and also in the past year or so, he has not been very forthcoming.

To get him fired, an effort which at least can lead for him to be more responsive to helpful suggestions, I suggest the following

1. With Christ apparently leaving soon, ask her if she is willing to make some demands upon Knowlton before she leaves.

2. Find out from her if any penalties imposed on Knowlton related to McKeever affair are done. I read a bit about what McKeever did and how Knowlton handled it, and it made me sick. I believe I read something aboutt a possible short penalty to ne imposed on Knowlton but don't know if it was true and what, if anything was followed through on to date by Cal.

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With regard to my comments to change are conference, I understand the that Cal has undoubtedly tied itself up contractually to the ACC, but who knows what will happen soon as to how rigid those rules will continue.

For those who haven't looked, there are tons of new articles, if seems daily, posted on the web, on possible FBS changes that could occur, including within the ACC. So there is a chance some new ideas might come to fruition, allowing a lot of new flexibility. Reviving the Pac Whatever conferene in a manner that will allow a number of schools that are in locations that are the best in the west at prviding great vacation possibilities would provide an incentive to change our ocnference structure and thus allow Cal to play in a ocnference that offered a number of instances where Cal could play in a great vacation spot. Cal playing every other year in Las Vegas. San Diego, and Hawaii, Twelve FBS teams will be allowed to compete in the FBS playoffs for the 2024 season.

Please have someone keep me abreast on these issues and any meeting relating to them that can be attended by Bear Insider members. Thanks.

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Regular home and home series with San Diego State, Hawaii and UNLV would be ideal OOC games for Cal as part of the ACC.

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Serious question: is there anything we as fans can collectively do to push him over the edge? Officials at universities are generally insulated from reactionary fan outrage but with the scandals under his watch, him being asleep at the wheel when it came to the most tenuous circumstances in Cal Athletic history, him phoning it in from Colorado, lackluster results during his tenure, his seemingly intractable nature, and the donors and fans themselves doing the heavy-lifting in all matters of importance and crisis I would think a fan campaign at this point could reasonably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on his reign of terror.

It would probably have to wait until the new Chancellor is in office but my question is what would be the best way for all of us as fans to get the point across that a change needs to be made at the head of the athletic department? Obviously a boycott and withholding money from NIL and other donations would be effective but it would take at least a year or two and it would be a case of us as fans voting our noses to spite our faces as it would prevent us from enjoying something we all love and possibly cripple our program at a very important watershed moment in college sports.

I'm looking for something on a more expedited timeline that could provide immediate relief. Would a letter campaign, gofundme, petition, or other outspoken message with tens of thousands of individual participants provide the activation energy necessary to break the inertia? If anyone has any good ideas I'm more than willing to devote my time and efforts to making it happen, I just need to know the best and most realistic path forward and I trust the overall brainpower of this community if not all of you individually ;-)

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I'm sure I'm not up to date regarding anything Cal did to Knowlton regarding the charges against McKeever. Can anyone point me to an article which summarizad any conclusions on that issue that were reached. Just looking for something short.

Gobears49 said:

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I'm sure I'm not up to date regarding anything Cal did to Knowlton regarding the charges against McKeever. Can anyone point me to an article which summarizad any conclusions on that issue that were reached. Just looking for something short.

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Knowlton was not part of the $2 million dollar eight-month McKeever investigation.
It was not part of the law firm's investigation.

There has been a formal investigation by the University as to how Knowlton and Jennifer Simon-Oneill handled the McKeever issue, since March of 2023.

Nothing has been disclosed by the University as of yet.

Even though SafeSport has already completed their investigation of McKeever and issued a 3-month suspension and 12-month probation. announced on Dec. 29, 2023 in which McKeever admitted to emotional misconduct.

Gobears49 said:

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Bearly Clad said:

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Serious question: is there anything we as fans can collectively do to push him over the edge? Officials at universities are generally insulated from reactionary fan outrage but with the scandals under his watch, him being asleep at the wheel when it came to the most tenuous circumstances in Cal Athletic history, him phoning it in from Colorado, lackluster results during his tenure, his seemingly intractable nature, and the donors and fans themselves doing the heavy-lifting in all matters of importance and crisis I would think a fan campaign at this point could reasonably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on his reign of terror.

It would probably have to wait until the new Chancellor is in office but my question is what would be the best way for all of us as fans to get the point across that a change needs to be made at the head of the athletic department? Obviously a boycott and withholding money from NIL and other donations would be effective but it would take at least a year or two and it would be a case of us as fans voting our noses to spite our faces as it would prevent us from enjoying something we all love and possibly cripple our program at a very important watershed moment in college sports.

I'm looking for something on a more expedited timeline that could provide immediate relief. Would a letter campaign, gofundme, petition, or other outspoken message with tens of thousands of individual participants provide the activation energy necessary to break the inertia? If anyone has any good ideas I'm more than willing to devote my time and efforts to making it happen, I just need to know the best and most realistic path forward and I trust the overall brainpower of this community if not all of you individually ;-)

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I'm sure I'm not up to date regarding anything Cal did to Knowlton regarding the charges against McKeever. Can anyone point me to an article which summarizad any conclusions on that issue that were reached. Just looking for something short.

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The original investigation and report commissioned by the AD, which took almost a year, cost something like $2 million and just confirmed all the swimmers' stories and accusations that came out in the press (which McKeever has now admitted) said something to the effect that wrong doing by Cal administrators was "outside the scope" of the report, ie they were told not to comment on that by Cal.

So a year ago a second investigation began into the handling of the complaints by Knowlton and others working for him and whether he/they violated university policy, state or federal laws in his responses to the swimmers and their parents and by failing to act on those reports of racism and abuse by McKeever. Moreover, despite reports of abuse he gave McKeever a record $5 million contract extension.

The swimmers complaints and stories have been confirmed, so their stories about Knowlton should be believed. What he did was horrible and he should be fired on principle. Or just his fiscal irresponsibility of not looking into the complaints before giving her a new contract. Likely complicating things is that the swimmers are suing Cal, so Cal could be in CYA mode, mistakenly rallying behind Knowlton and providing him legal defense when they (Carol Christ) should fire him, both to protect the university and because it is the right thing to do

There is a similar lawsuit against Cal regarding claims of abuse in the Cal's Wonen's Soccer program, with Knowlton again failing to investigate claims that were brought to him:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/court-reinstates-berkeley-lawsuit-18522885.php

Story back in 2020
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/23/former-cal-womens-soccer-players-accuse-coach-of-bullying-intimidation/amp/

Back to the topic of the post... if you want Knowlton fired, someone needs to sick Canzano and Wilner on it. It's the perfect time, they are running out of content and Wilner always has it in for Cal. If those guys wrote a 3-5 article series on the insanity in the admin at Cal and tied it to ther conference implosion obsessions, things might change with any new chancellor.

I'd challenge Cal Strong to channel his energies into this. I own firejimknowlton.com and would be happy to transfer it to someone who has free time and can go the distance putting up a site, getting the word out, etc. If you took just 50% of the time you spend attempting to disprove the Oregon > Wilcox offer and put it towards a real campaign to oust JK, you could work some real magic. And you'd be a hero. A super-strong hero some might say.

Is it true that it was posted on this blog, or elsewhere, that if in order for a non-Cal grad to get to talk to Knowlton about the Mckeever issue hey would have to pay X amount to Knowlton whih he would be free to spend personally.? If true, that is disgusting and should be brought to the attention of Carol Christ if that has not been done already? Also, is Knowlton now on some sort of probation if the above statements actually are true. If so, what is it and how long does that last?

Also,when is Christ leaving her position at Cal and how lnog with it likely take to replace her. Thanks.

Before i seriously consider speniding time to check to see how feasible it is for Cal's plane flights to their east coast ACC games next season will land at a reasonable time if all arrangements for that can reliably be met, That could be a difficult task for me and possibly impossible.

Before I do any work on this issue, ,I'd like to first see how interested Cal fans are in changing the makeup of our conference to include away games, every other year, at UNLV, San Diego St., and Hawaii, proposed new conference members plus Boise St. and Fresno (which I believe those latter two locations do not provide recreational activities that would entice any Cal fan to visit them to watch Cal play football there) to allow those fans to do vacation type activities in any of those three locations. In other words, would recreation activities at those three locations be a good reason to take a trip to one to three of them to pursue recreational and watch Cal there. Again that is essentially what I did about eight years ago when I travelled to Austin (a fun town) less than ten years ago to watch Cal play Texas (was a great game, especially because we won it).

Thanks.

95bears said:

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Back to the topic of the post... if you want Knowlton fired, someone needs to sick Canzano and Wilner on it. It's the perfect time, they are running out of content and Wilner always has it in for Cal. If those guys wrote a 3-5 article series on the insanity in the admin at Cal and tied it to ther conference implosion obsessions, things might change with any new chancellor.

I'd challenge Cal Strong to channel his energies into this. I own firejimknowlton.com and would be happy to transfer it to someone who has free time and can go the distance putting up a site, getting the word out, etc. If you took just 50% of the time you spend attempting to disprove the Oregon > Wilcox offer and put it towards a real campaign to oust JK, you could work some real magic. And you'd be a hero. A super-strong hero some might say.

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Before any 'leaks' to the press, we need proof of Cause, and we need it locked down. If I had one the lottery, I'd offer to foot the bill for a Big Law firm that specializes in HR stuff to do an investigation with the sole purpose to find Cause, or not. And if they find Cause, they also build a rock solid defense (for a wrongful term claim) at the same time.

(Current UC attorneys are incapable of any such activities.).

Gobears49 said:

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Before i seriously consider speniding time to check to see how feasible it is for Cal's plane flights to their east coast ACC games next season will land at a reasonable time if all arrangements for that can reliably be met, That could be a difficult task for me and possibly impossible.

Before I do any work on this issue, ,I'd like to first see how interested Cal fans are in changing the makeup of our conference to include away games, every other year, at UNLV, San Diego St., and Hawaii, proposed new conference members plus Boise St. and Fresno (which I believe those latter two locations do not provide recreational activities that would entice any Cal fan to visit them to watch Cal play football there) to allow those fans to do vacation type activities in any of those three locations. In other words, would recreation activities at those three locations be a good reason to take a trip to one to three of them to pursue recreational and watch Cal there. Again that is essentially what I did about eight years ago when I travelled to Austin (a fun town) less than ten years ago to watch Cal play Texas (was a great game, especially because we won it).

Thanks.

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Baring mechanical or weather related issues, why wouldn't the Cal flights land at reasonable times? The whole point of charter flights....