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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It's DOA because it wouldn't be "aligning with the Pac-12", it would be aligning with the Mountain West. Let's be honest about what it is: It's a proposal to align with Nevada and San Jose State.

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My proposal would add current Mountain West schools UNLV, Boise St, Fresno St., San Diego St. and Hawaii to the new Pac 9, also including Cal, Stanford, Oregon St. and Washington St. There are now thirteen schools in the Mountain West. so moving five teams to the new Pac 9 would leave eight schools in the new Mountain West. That might be enough schools to be large enough, but adding some powerhouse football teams from FCS schools could be a solution to making the new Mountain West stronger. Schools that have done well in the FCS would be good candidates. Here is a list of FCS schools that have won the national FCS championships. https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fcs Good football teams in the FCS, based upon their recent record that are the western part of the U.S. would be North Dakota St, South Dakota State. Montana, and Montana St.. See the preceding link.

Add "Making the Mountain West stronger and larger after the five schools I mentin that could be moved from the Mountain West to the new Pac 9 I envision."

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It's DOA because it wouldn't be "aligning with the Pac-12", it would be aligning with the Mountain West. Let's be honest about what it is: It's a proposal to align with Nevada and San Jose State.

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My proposal would add current Mountain West schools UNLV, Boise St, Fresno St., San Diego St. and Hawaii to the new Pac 9, also including Cal, Stanford, Oregon St. and Washington St. There are now thirteen schools in the Mountain West. so moving five teams to the new Pac 9 would leave eight schools in the new Mountain West. That might be enough schools to be large enough, but adding some powerhouse football teams from FCS schools could be a solution to making the new Mountain West stronger. Schools that have done well in the FCS would be good candidates. Here is a list of FCS schools that have won the national FCS championships. https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fcs Good football teams in the FCS, based upon their recent record that are the western part of the U.S. would be North Dakota St, South Dakota State. Montana, and Montana St.. See the preceding link.

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I think Cal and Stanford administrations have been clear in their uninterest in being in a conference with Boise and Fresno.

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Gobears49 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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IMO: any proposal that has Cal leaving the ACC soon is, at best, pre-mature. Things have to fail to go back to how they were, or anything close to that.
Spoiler alert: it's not going to "fail" because less fans travel to Pittsburgh vs. going to Pullman. For some of the destinations, there are going to be Cal Alumni on the East Coast that will represent well, thinking the NYC Club Alumni to Syracuse, and the DC Club Alumni to UVA; us Philly Club folks will make some trips too of course...
Conversely, at least in the short run, Miami, Clemson, even FSU coming Cal will put more butts in the seats than a lot of the visiting former Pac-12 schools. It will be interesting to see what the Net gain/loss there is, though missing a yearly trip from the LA schools doesn't help....
But again: I don't believe for a second that anyone was worrying about the travel issues of Cal fans when this deal was made.

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one of the big gains for Cal will be exposure in the eastern half of the US. live attendance has become inconsequential compared to tv watchers and those will increase for our away games in the ACC. Also, more analysts will be seeing us play, compared to those who won't bother to stay up til 1am Sundays.

these factors will not go unnoticed by recruits and players. they're going to have to get used to travel anyway, if they aspire to the League. It's all part of the learning process.

Sebasta and others have also stated their reluctance to be in a conference with those schools

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My ideal schedule….

8/31- Davis
9/7- @ Auburn
9/14- SDSU
9/21- Syracuse
9/28- OSU
10/5- @ Pitt
10/12- BYE
10/19- NC State
10/26- Miami
11/2- BYE
11/9- @ FSU
11/15- @ Wake
11/23- Stanford
11/30- @ SMU

Couple notes: I'd love to see SMU become the new UCLA weekend. Thanksgiving in Texas for all our Texas players would be special. Return trip would be great weekend for Texas families

I'd love to have yearly Sat 9am east coast game (once a year) followed by the following Friday night east coast game. Spend the week. Maybe find some open dorms the players to stay at. Online class that week. Cuts down traveling. That would be FSU & Wake this year

Keep Big Game weekend before Thanksgiving

Syracuse as an easier home first ACC win early in the year

BYE week after Miami and before FSU

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Syracuse is the coldest place in the ACC, but they play in a domed stadium, so it doesn't matter when we travel there in terms of game conditions. However as a roadie, you want that game to fall in the peak foliage season early to mid-October, gorgeous colors, would make a great road trip for a west coast Cal fan.

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So,, perhaps you can show me a airplane schedule that will leave from SFO no earlier than 10 a.m. and will arrive near Syracuse no later than 6 p.m. the day before or two days before the game. I was going to do that, but I don't even know if we need to arrive two days before the game (I'm guessing we would. Travelling east before a game makes things more dificult because of the issue of the amount of rest a team needs before the game. I think you need to allow for a full day of rest before a flight in. Let me know if you agree. Tx and Go Bears.

A quick search shows United flies into Syracuse from SFO, 7hr flight time including 1 stop either in Chicago or Denver, both of which are close to the direct path between SF and Syracuse. I guess you would have to take at least Friday off for that trip.

Pittsburgh has direct nonstop lights from SF, as do Miami Atlanta and Boston obviously, but apparently United also flies nonstop to Raleigh-Durham (covers UNC, Duke, NC St and WF)

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

d

Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

Gobears49 said:

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BearSD said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It's DOA because it wouldn't be "aligning with the Pac-12", it would be aligning with the Mountain West. Let's be honest about what it is: It's a proposal to align with Nevada and San Jose State.

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My proposal would add current Mountain West schools UNLV, Boise St, Fresno St., San Diego St. and Hawaii to the new Pac 9, also including Cal, Stanford, Oregon St. and Washington St. There are now thirteen schools in the Mountain West. so moving five teams to the new Pac 9 would leave eight schools in the new Mountain West. That might be enough schools to be large enough, but adding some powerhouse football teams from FCS schools could be a solution to making the new Mountain West stronger. Schools that have done well in the FCS would be good candidates. Here is a list of FCS schools that have won the national FCS championships. https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fcs Good football teams in the FCS, based upon their recent record that are the western part of the U.S. would be North Dakota St, South Dakota State. Montana, and Montana St.. See the preceding link.

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The Mountain West has a very small media contract. The collapse of the Pac-12 has shown that Cal, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State are similarly low valued. The FCS teams, while competitive, are adding the tiny Fargo, Brookings, Missoula and Bozeman media markets. What you propose will just make Cal's money woes much worse.

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southseasbear said:

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JB was a Chieftain said:

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My ideal schedule….

8/31- Davis
9/7- @ Auburn
9/14- SDSU
9/21- Syracuse
9/28- OSU
10/5- @ Pitt
10/12- BYE
10/19- NC State
10/26- Miami
11/2- BYE
11/9- @ FSU
11/15- @ Wake
11/23- Stanford
11/30- @ SMU

Couple notes: I'd love to see SMU become the new UCLA weekend. Thanksgiving in Texas for all our Texas players would be special. Return trip would be great weekend for Texas families

I'd love to have yearly Sat 9am east coast game (once a year) followed by the following Friday night east coast game. Spend the week. Maybe find some open dorms the players to stay at. Online class that week. Cuts down traveling. That would be FSU & Wake this year

Keep Big Game weekend before Thanksgiving

Syracuse as an easier home first ACC win early in the year

BYE week after Miami and before FSU

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Agree except for the 9 a.m. east coast games. I still remember Maryland when Tedford was coach and how the team sleepwalked through the first 3 quarters.

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Yea, but we also had 9:00 am games against Minnesota and Ole Miss and did all right.

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Everyone remembers the terrible Maryland game, but Cal's record in early games (I'll define that as "starting before 11am PT") is actually fine. Just going from the start of the Tedford era (because my memory of start times is not too great from before then) here are the results:

2002 @MSU - W 46-22
2003 @Illinois - W 31-24
2008 @Maryland - L 35-27
2009 @Minnesota - W 35-21
2012 @OSU - L 35-28
2017 @UNC - W 35-30
2019 @Ole Miss - W 28-20

That's 5 wins to 2 losses, and the Ohio State game was also an unexpectedly close loss when you consider the opponent. The first Armed Forces Bowl win in 2007 was also an early start, so I don't know if I'd count that as a true road game (you can arrive early and have several days to get used to the time change), but if so then that's another win. Maryland was the only real disaster.

The early east-coast starts are not as big an issue as people think.

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mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

d

Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

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Charlottesville airport is less than 10 miles from campus..

mbBear said:

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Strykur said:

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mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

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Charlottesville airport is less than 10 miles from campus..

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I was not aware that Charlottesville had a major airport

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mbBear said:

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mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

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Charlottesville airport is less than 10 miles from campus..

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I was not aware that Charlottesville had a major airport

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"CHO" for those of you scoring at home, and technically "Charlottesville-Albemarle".... connections through AA via Charlotte and one daily via LaGuardia....and of course Delta via Atl...

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

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Charlottesville airport is less than 10 miles from campus..

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I was not aware that Charlottesville had a major airport

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after our brutal buzzer beater loss at virginia sitting next to roberta martin in the 1st row being her husband, shocky's connecting flight from charloettesville to charlotte (then to phx) wuz fog delayed for 13 hours the next morning, the team flew charter back to the bay with no delays

should've taken greyhound#

Here on the East Coast, I plan to drive to the FSU and Wake Forest games, and fly to Dallas for SMU.

Has anyone been to an SMU game (there)? Any SonnyD lovers go while he was there?

I'm kinda curious about how nice it is, given the deep pockets of their donors.

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Here on the East Coast, I plan to drive to the FSU and Wake Forest games, and fly to Dallas for SMU.

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I'm planning on going to the FSU game.

Tallahasse looks like it about 3+ hr drive from a major airport(Jacksonville)

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Tallahasse looks like it about 3+ hr drive from a major airport(Jacksonville)

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Both AA and Delta fly to TLH...
Northwest Florida Airport is just under 2 hours .. very nice airport

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Tallahasse looks like it about 3+ hr drive from a major airport(Jacksonville)

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Both AA and Delta fly to TLH...
Northwest Florida Airport is just under 2 hours .. very nice airport

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Tallahassee is the state capital of Florida so they will have local air transportation.

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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There are only a couple of schools sorta out-of-the-way in the ACC, but Notre Dame might be it, along with Virginia and Virginia Tech.

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Charlottesville airport is less than 10 miles from campus..

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I was not aware that Charlottesville had a major airport

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I don't know about major, but it is AN airport.

mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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I think Clemson is actually a bit farther from the airport than Virginia Tech. They're both about 40 miles away.

Let's see if I can do this for memory:

North Carolina, NC, State, and Duke all use the same airport, RDU. They're all about 15 miles from the airport.
Virginia Tech uses Roanoke airport about 40 miles from campus.
Wake Forest uses GSO(Piedmont Triad international) about 30 miles from campus.
Clemson uses GSP (Greenville/Spartanburg) airport about 45 miles from campus.
Syracuse, Florida State, Miami, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, UVA and Louisville all have airports in town.

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mbBear said:

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Tallahasse looks like it about 3+ hr drive from a major airport(Jacksonville)

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Both AA and Delta fly to TLH...
Northwest Florida Airport is just under 2 hours .. very nice airport

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Tallahassee is the state capital of Florida so they will have local air transportation.

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right, that's TLH...

Blackyce said:

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mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

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Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

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Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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I think Clemson is actually a bit farther from the airport than Virginia Tech. They're both about 40 miles away.

Let's see if I can do this for memory:

North Carolina, NC, State, and Duke all use the same airport, RDU. They're all about 15 miles from the airport.
Virginia Tech uses Roanoke airport about 40 miles from campus.
Wake Forest uses GSO(Piedmont Triad international) about 30 miles from campus.
Clemson uses GSP (Greenville/Spartanburg) airport about 45 miles from campus.
Syracuse, Florida State, Miami, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, UVA and Louisville all have airports in town.

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I didn't double check Clemson, because in my head, I thought GSP was closer....when I was at Clemson for work, I flew in and out of Atl, so didn't experience that...so yep, you are right.
The best part of most of these: unlike SFO, you aren't having to worry about rush hour traffic once you land, especially for the longer drives....
Yeah, Atl is a bit of an exception...ha....
My definition of "major" airport is if it's a hub for one of the airlines. My only other concern, selfishly, does AA fly there...

Well this sucks: Now that we switched conferences, I thought it would be a good time for the Big Game to be the last one on our respective seasons. IIRC, that went out the window when Stanford wanted to install their annual Notre Dame game as the final one of the season.

Well, ND faces off against Stanford early in the season this year, clearing the way for the end of the season Cal/Stanford game ... but no - the Big Game is still the next to last one, while for the last one, Stanford faces San Jose State, while we duke it out with SMU.

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Well this sucks: Now that we switched conferences, I thought it would be a good time for the Big Game to be the last one on our respective seasons. IIRC, that went out the window when Stanford wanted to install their annual Notre Dame game as the final one of the season.

Well, ND faces off against Stanford early in the season this year, clearing the way for the end of the season Cal/Stanford game ... but no - the Big Game is still the next to last one, while for the last one, Stanford faces San Jose State, while we duke it out with SMU.

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The weekend after Thanksgiving is always going to be in play. So couple of things: having that as a "bye" is a waste competitively. The Big Game that weekend is crappy, because enough of the students aren't around.
So, here we are....it being the last game is for a long gone era...

chalcidbear said:

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Well this sucks: Now that we switched conferences, I thought it would be a good time for the Big Game to be the last one on our respective seasons. IIRC, that went out the window when Stanford wanted to install their annual Notre Dame game as the final one of the season.

Well, ND faces off against Stanford early in the season this year, clearing the way for the end of the season Cal/Stanford game ... but no - the Big Game is still the next to last one, while for the last one, Stanford faces San Jose State, while we duke it out with SMU.

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Isn't the reason we don't play it last is that would mean it would be Thanksgiving weekend, and a significant portion of students from both schools would be out of town, plus the week of big game traditions would be severely impacted during the actual thanksgiving holidays. The expansion to 12 games is the thing that took this off the board as our last game. From just holding the game perspective, sure it could be done, but at what cost to traditions and attendance.

mbBear said:

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Blackyce said:

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mbBear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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calumnus said:

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CALiforniALUM said:

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Gobears49 said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Searching high and low, I've only seen an ACC Football scheduling "model". But when does the 2024 schedule come out? I've got some trips to schedule!

---

Related ACC news. Any suggestions as to where there could be a discussion of Cal entering a partial merger of the old Pac 12 and the Mountain West, with details about how that should be done. I have a proposal about how that would work, which would eliminate the brutal mutltiple flights Cal fans would have to endure to get to east coast ACC destinations, which I will post soon. The more flights you have to take to reach your end destinatoin, the more time it would take, given the mutliple flights it would normally take. Just want a good plaace to post that article within BI comments. Tx,

d

Bob

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F-dat. I live on the East Coast smack dab in the middle of the ACC and can't wait to see a few games on my turf (AKA Bear territory).

Any idea aligning with the PAC-12 now is DOA in terms of Cal keeping major Athletics going.

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It would be great if we can get a big contingent of East Coast (and Southeast) Cal fans to make attending games a tradition. I do think a lot of West Coast fans will be making the trips, far more than would have gone to B1G venues and maybe even more than some of the PAC-12 opponents (other than LA, where we have a huge number of alums).

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I do remember seeing a good Cal video of the turnout from Cal when they played Northwestern at Northwestern, so maybe I'm totally wrong on this subject. Though I still maintain that it would be difficult trip for Cal to not to spend hour and hours travellling to locations out in the boonies far from a large airport. I still don't believe they could not show up for the game, with decent rest, the day before the game is played, which could be done for almost all games played in the west, but I admit I have no real prior knowledge on this subject. What were the travel arrangements for Cal for the recent Notre Dame game for the trip east to Notre Dame?

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There is not an ACC campus that is far from an airport. Not sure how your define "large," but with charters, that is unlikely to matter. Blacksburg, for Va Tech, I believe is the furthest from the airport, at apox 40 minutes.
In fact, I would argue that Pullman was more difficult than any place on the ACC schedule, if thew flew to Spokane...

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I think Clemson is actually a bit farther from the airport than Virginia Tech. They're both about 40 miles away.

Let's see if I can do this for memory:

North Carolina, NC, State, and Duke all use the same airport, RDU. They're all about 15 miles from the airport.
Virginia Tech uses Roanoke airport about 40 miles from campus.
Wake Forest uses GSO(Piedmont Triad international) about 30 miles from campus.
Clemson uses GSP (Greenville/Spartanburg) airport about 45 miles from campus.
Syracuse, Florida State, Miami, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, UVA and Louisville all have airports in town.

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I didn't double check Clemson, because in my head, I thought GSP was closer....when I was at Clemson for work, I flew in and out of Atl, so didn't experience that...so yep, you are right.
The best part of most of these: unlike SFO, you aren't having to worry about rush hour traffic once you land, especially for the longer drives....
Yeah, Atl is a bit of an exception...ha....
My definition of "major" airport is if it's a hub for one of the airlines. My only other concern, selfishly, does AA fly there...

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ATL at least has MARTA red(?) line direct to campus

It's much better from a fan perspective to have the BG on the traditional weekend before Thanksgiving.

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chalcidbear said:

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Well this sucks: Now that we switched conferences, I thought it would be a good time for the Big Game to be the last one on our respective seasons. IIRC, that went out the window when Stanford wanted to install their annual Notre Dame game as the final one of the season.

Well, ND faces off against Stanford early in the season this year, clearing the way for the end of the season Cal/Stanford game ... but no - the Big Game is still the next to last one, while for the last one, Stanford faces San Jose State, while we duke it out with SMU.

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Isn't the reason we don't play it last is that would mean it would be Thanksgiving weekend, and a significant portion of students from both schools would be out of town, plus the week of big game traditions would be severely impacted during the actual thanksgiving holidays. The expansion to 12 games is the thing that took this off the board as our last game. From just holding the game perspective, sure it could be done, but at what cost to traditions and attendance.

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The other way to make it happen is for both Cal and Stanford to forego a bye week during the season, thus making Thanksgiving week their "bye." Neither school is probably interested in that.

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It's much better from a fan perspective to have the BG on the traditional weekend before Thanksgiving.

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Agree. Both schools have always requested that the Big Game be scheduled for the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The ACC is accommodating this.

Also, Stanford has made it work by scheduling SJSU for the last week in years when they don't play ND in November, and the ACC is apparently going to schedule Cal-SMU for that weekend every year.

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philbert said:

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It's much better from a fan perspective to have the BG on the traditional weekend before Thanksgiving.

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Agree. Both schools have always requested that the Big Game be scheduled for the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The ACC is accommodating this.

Also, Stanford has made it work by scheduling SJSU for the last week in years when they don't play ND in November, and the ACC is apparently going to schedule Cal-SMU for that weekend every year.

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I think it is a great solution for Cal. SMU on Thanksgiving weekend means that the Texas kids at Cal can see their families, and Cal can go for a shorter trip (Oakland to Dallas is about 3.5 - 4 hours) and have them see their families there as well.

Big game week on the Saturday before thanksgiving is sacrosanct. No reason to move that. Having SMU as an ongoing competition to me is great. Never too hot there in November, and second fiddle in town in terms of schools to Sonny's TCU. While they did well this year in the AAC, I do not think that translates directly to domination in the ACC.

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philbert said:

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It's much better from a fan perspective to have the BG on the traditional weekend before Thanksgiving.

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Agree. Both schools have always requested that the Big Game be scheduled for the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The ACC is accommodating this.

Also, Stanford has made it work by scheduling SJSU for the last week in years when they don't play ND in November, and the ACC is apparently going to schedule Cal-SMU for that weekend every year.

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Two notes:
1. Iirc Shaw wanted to deemphasize the BG and the Cal rivalry. He is to thank for killing several joint Cal-Stanford engagements during the week like the Guardsmen luncheon. Thank goodness he had fallen out of favor/his influence had waned. In his arrogant world, Stanford had no need for Cal anymore.

2. I had been under the impression that the Stanford-ND series ended this season or next and had not been renewed. Is that accurate or has it been extended?