This year's coaching moves got me thinking about Tedford in 2004. I hate to admit it, but he probably killed his career by staying with Cal after that season. You think about him going to a blue blood then, and I could easily see him go on a Nick Saban type run without having to think about academics, getting top recruits easily. The Notre Dame job was open after they canned Ty or takes the Washington offer that he got at the time after they fired Gilby, or maybe he waits until after the 2008 season when its clear he aint getting over the hump at Cal to make a jump to Washington when they fired Ty, or even crazier if he goes to USC in 2009. Got to say he was loyal (also stubborn) as hell for a College Football coach, and i think it bit him in the end.
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I think Tedford's health is the limiting factor when it comes to what his coaching ceiling could've been. Given what he's faced at subsequent stops it's not like Cal was uniquely the reason for his health complications.caltripper said:
This year's coaching moves got me thinking about Tedford in 2004. I hate to admit it, but he probably killed his career by staying with Cal after that season. You think about him going to a blue blood then, and I could easily see him go on a Nick Saban type run without having to think about academics, getting top recruits easily. The Notre Dame job was open after they canned Ty or takes the Washington offer that he got at the time after they fired Gilby, or maybe he waits until after the 2008 season when its clear he aint getting over the hump at Cal to make a jump to Washington when they fired Ty, or even crazier if he goes to USC in 2009. Got to say he was loyal (also stubborn) as hell for a College Football coach, and i think it bit him in the end.
It wasn't all great for the university, either. Between Tedford pushing hard for CMS renovation and Barbour implementing a wholly unrealistic scheme to finance it, there is a leftover mountain of stadium debt.
As for JT himself, he could have left on his own for a different job several years before he left Cal. But there was a huge dropoff at the end of his time at Cal, a dropoff that might have also occurred with any other team, and (as many commenters grumble on this site) many other programs are less patient than Cal when coaches struggle.
As for JT himself, he could have left on his own for a different job several years before he left Cal. But there was a huge dropoff at the end of his time at Cal, a dropoff that might have also occurred with any other team, and (as many commenters grumble on this site) many other programs are less patient than Cal when coaches struggle.
Yes, but its much better to have more health issues after a few seasons at a blue blood than more health issues after a few seasons at Fresno StateStillNoStanfurdium said:I think Tedford's health is the limiting factor when it comes to what his coaching ceiling could've been. Given what he's faced at subsequent stops it's not like Cal was uniquely the reason for his health complications.caltripper said:
This year's coaching moves got me thinking about Tedford in 2004. I hate to admit it, but he probably killed his career by staying with Cal after that season. You think about him going to a blue blood then, and I could easily see him go on a Nick Saban type run without having to think about academics, getting top recruits easily. The Notre Dame job was open after they canned Ty or takes the Washington offer that he got at the time after they fired Gilby, or maybe he waits until after the 2008 season when its clear he aint getting over the hump at Cal to make a jump to Washington when they fired Ty, or even crazier if he goes to USC in 2009. Got to say he was loyal (also stubborn) as hell for a College Football coach, and i think it bit him in the end.
Tedford had a great run at Cal and he was well compensated. Why not leave it at that?
Jeff Tedford makes $1.5 million a year coaching football at his alma mater. He has enough money to be happy. It is his health that is, and has been, his challenge. Whike jumping to a bigger program would have paid him better, I don't think it would have been better for his health. Hopefully Fresno State is not too stressful and he has better learned to delegate.
Nothing particular to Cal held Tedford back after 2004.
2005 would have been another 10 win season if Longshore hadn't gotten knocked out for the year on a dirty low hit by a Sac State defender. 2006 was a 10 win season. 2007 could have been another 10 win season even after Longshore got hurt again but Tedford personally imploded as a coach and that as opposed to any deficiency of ours as a platform caused the decline of his career.
2005 would have been another 10 win season if Longshore hadn't gotten knocked out for the year on a dirty low hit by a Sac State defender. 2006 was a 10 win season. 2007 could have been another 10 win season even after Longshore got hurt again but Tedford personally imploded as a coach and that as opposed to any deficiency of ours as a platform caused the decline of his career.
This. He would have burned himself out at any Power 5 school, most likely.StillNoStanfurdium said:I think Tedford's health is the limiting factor when it comes to what his coaching ceiling could've been. Given what he's faced at subsequent stops it's not like Cal was uniquely the reason for his health complications.caltripper said:
This year's coaching moves got me thinking about Tedford in 2004. I hate to admit it, but he probably killed his career by staying with Cal after that season. You think about him going to a blue blood then, and I could easily see him go on a Nick Saban type run without having to think about academics, getting top recruits easily. The Notre Dame job was open after they canned Ty or takes the Washington offer that he got at the time after they fired Gilby, or maybe he waits until after the 2008 season when its clear he aint getting over the hump at Cal to make a jump to Washington when they fired Ty, or even crazier if he goes to USC in 2009. Got to say he was loyal (also stubborn) as hell for a College Football coach, and i think it bit him in the end.
And then he rebounded for a 9 win season in 2008. It was his own burnout that became the major difference after that (though yes, granted that the institutional factors are always an issue at Cal).kal kommie said:
Nothing particular to Cal held Tedford back after 2004.
2005 would have been another 10 win season if Longshore hadn't gotten knocked out for the year on a dirty low hit by a Sac State defender. 2006 was a 10 win season. 2007 could have been another 10 win season even after Longshore got hurt again but Tedford personally imploded as a coach and that as opposed to any deficiency of ours as a platform caused the decline of his career.
Now, when Tosh left and took all those great recruits with him, you could argue that the administration was somewhat responsible, for not paying assistants enough to keep them. But even there, Tedford's relationship with Tosh had seemingly soured by the time that happened.
Maybe because there are so many of us who have continued to live off JT's solid years and simply won't go away peacefully - like me!Big C said:
Tedford had a great run at Cal and he was well compensated. Why not leave it at that?
If he had moved on I don't think he'd necessarily be Saban level -- that man seems to be in a league on his own. But I could see him having an Urban Meyer-esque career (even down to the 'leaving a school because of health conditions and popping up somewhere else and being massively successful' bit.
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