LA Times reported this as a 5 year deal. No other details mentioned by them.

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https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

They were 24th in team talent this last season, that is with that particular metric not properly taking into account transfers, which UCLA focused on.

UCLA has talent and will always have talent because it is so easy to recruit to. Kelly was a horrible recruiter and he still had a top 25 team in HS talent ratings, better if you consider the portal.

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Looks to me like that number was calculated using transfers. They simply used the HS ratings for the transfers. That 2023 roster has several transfers that were rated 4 star in HS. The most obvious one for Cal fans is Sturdivant. But Latu, Motavao, Garbers, Kam Brown,Titus Mokiao-Atimamala, Kyle Ford, Jaylin Davies and Jay Toia all started their careers elsewhere and were 4 star rated players. And several of these players have exhausted college eligibility.

Several other recruits like Dante Moore (5 star), Kamari Ramsey (4 star), John Humphrey (4 star) and Carsen Ryan ( 4 star) have already transferred out.

It is true that UCLA has had better talent on hand than many wanted to give them credit for, but many of those are now gone. It is speculated that Toia and Sturdivant are likely to leave.

UCLA also had some very good transfers that developed elsewhere like the Murphy brothers and Darius Muasau that were terrific LBs for them. Muasau is out of eligibilty and the Murphy's are entering the draft. Leading rusher Carson Steele was a transfer as were DL Gary Smth and Keanu Williams.

There has been a serious talent drain at UCLA. Under Kelly they did not recruit HS players hard. They did generally have decent star rating on those they did recruit. But without transfers they would have been a 2nd division team in the P12 every season.

This UCLA team will be picked very low in the B1G and would almost certainly be picked in the 2nd division if the P12 did not dissolve.

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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If I was UCLA's new head coach, I would try to get out of their 2025/2026 series with Georgia, or postpone it for several years, and play Cal in 2025/2026.

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Playing us is a lose-lose-lose for UCLA. Much lower viewership and disappointing whether they win or lose on the field

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They're better off having a huge audience watch them get humiliated by UGA?

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Losing to Georgia is the expected result, no one would be surprised. As is beating us. Meanwhile losing to us would be devastating.

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LOL they must be devastated then. They're exactly 17-17 against us over the last 3+ decades. Only the most overconfident Ucla fans and most self-loathing Cal fans expect Cal to lose when we play. It's not the '70s or '80s anymore, just like it's not the '30s or '40s either.

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wifeisafurd said:

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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If I was UCLA's new head coach, I would try to get out of their 2025/2026 series with Georgia, or postpone it for several years, and play Cal in 2025/2026.

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Playing us is a lose-lose-lose for UCLA. Much lower viewership and disappointing whether they win or lose on the field

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They're better off having a huge audience watch them get humiliated by UGA?

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Losing to Georgia is the expected result, no one would be surprised. As is beating us. Meanwhile losing to us would be devastating.

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LOL they must be devastated then. They're exactly 17-17 against us over the last 3+ decades. Only the most overconfident Ucla fans and most self-loathing Cal fans expect Cal to lose when we play. It's not the '70s or '80s anymore, just like it's not the '30s or '40s either.

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I'm assuming he meant once they're in the B1G earning ~3X the media revenue Cal will earn in 2025/2026. Although devastated would still be a stretch, more like embarrassed.

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I wouldn't mind a home and away with UCLA the next two seasons as our "A" non-conference game, but it looks like we're booked through 2027, as we have a home and away with Florida in 26/27 and already have a full slate of OOC games in 25 (@OSU, Minnesotta, @SDSU, UNLV) :

2024

• 08/31 - UC Davis
• 09/07 - at Auburn
• 09/14 - San Diego State
• 10/26 - Oregon State

2025

• 08/30 - at Oregon State
• 09/13 - Minnesota
• 09/20 - at San Diego State
• TBA - UNLV

2026

• 09/05 - at UNLV
• 09/19 - at Florida

2027

• 09/04 - Florida

2028

• 09/16 - at Minnesota

2029

• 09/08 - at Wyoming

2032

• 09/04 - Wyoming

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/california/

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Wow, we haven't exactly embraced the non-conference cupcake strategy.

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Florida hasn't had a winning season since 2020, no guarantee they will be a top-tier SEC team in 2-3 years when we play them.

The 2025 OOC schedule looks pretty manegable.

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LA Times reported this as a 5 year deal. No other details mentioned by them.

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I don't think they will fire Foster if he goes close to .500 or a bit above that, UCLA is not USC.

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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If I was UCLA's new head coach, I would try to get out of their 2025/2026 series with Georgia, or postpone it for several years, and play Cal in 2025/2026.

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Playing us is a lose-lose-lose for UCLA. Much lower viewership and disappointing whether they win or lose on the field

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They're better off having a huge audience watch them get humiliated by UGA?

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Losing to Georgia is the expected result, no one would be surprised. As is beating us. Meanwhile losing to us would be devastating.

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LOL they must be devastated then. They're exactly 17-17 against us over the last 3+ decades. Only the most overconfident Ucla fans and most self-loathing Cal fans expect Cal to lose when we play. It's not the '70s or '80s anymore, just like it's not the '30s or '40s either.

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I'm assuming he meant once they're in the B1G earning ~3X the media revenue Cal will earn in 2025/2026. Although devastated would still be a stretch, more like embarrassed.

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I will concede that fucla fans live in fantasy land about the status of their program, but he's way more optimistic about this hire and their prospects going forward than most of their own fans.

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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what did drake say? Been buried in RL work so I missed that.

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Between their B1G money vs. our partial ACC share, new recruits wanting to play P2, and likely a highly sought after HC next year (vs. year 10 of Wilcox on OC #5), it would be shocking if UCLA loses to us by then

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Not to anyone who watches college football.

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wifeisafurd said:

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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what did drake say? Been buried in RL work so I missed that.

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I'd love to hear what wiaf has to say on this subject too, but in general Drake has been (heavily) involved with (for?) Cal in both the negotiations to move to the ACC and hiring the next chancellor. Both of these are (massive) departures from SOP so to me at least that indicates an increase in recognition at the system level that sports have been neglected.

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absent UCLA buying a non-conference team out, first opening is 2028. An annual in-state rivalry game makes sense, particularly with Drake tipping his hand about UCOP support for sports.

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If I was UCLA's new head coach, I would try to get out of their 2025/2026 series with Georgia, or postpone it for several years, and play Cal in 2025/2026.

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Playing us is a lose-lose-lose for UCLA. Much lower viewership and disappointing whether they win or lose on the field

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They're better off having a huge audience watch them get humiliated by UGA?

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Losing to Georgia is the expected result, no one would be surprised. As is beating us. Meanwhile losing to us would be devastating.

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LOL they must be devastated then. They're exactly 17-17 against us over the last 3+ decades. Only the most overconfident Ucla fans and most self-loathing Cal fans expect Cal to lose when we play. It's not the '70s or '80s anymore, just like it's not the '30s or '40s either.

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I'm assuming he meant once they're in the B1G earning ~3X the media revenue Cal will earn in 2025/2026. Although devastated would still be a stretch, more like embarrassed.

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I will concede that fucla fans live in fantasy land about the status of their program, but he's way more optimistic about this hire and their prospects going forward than most of their own fans.

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I don't think their fans live in fantasyland about football. (Basketball is a different story.) I think many ucla fans have an attitude about their team that will be familiar to anyone here: "Woe is us, this is so typical, why can't we ever have nice things, why haven't we fired [insert name of current coach] yet?"

The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

WalterSobchak said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

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I've never had that experience with any ucla alum IRL. On the internet, yes, there are delusional ucla types.

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

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I've never had that experience with any ucla alum IRL. On the internet, yes, there are delusional ucla types.

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It may be because I don't go to LA often so I really only meet them up here in NorCal. Maybe they're extra defensive, IDK. But I've had random interactions with fans from most other pac schools that were pleasant. Most but not all of those were also in NorCal.

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I don't think I've ever met a UCLA fan. I know several alumni who barely associate with the school, yet they wear the baby blue stuff all the time. In fact, I see UCLA clothing here and there and have had conversations and they have no idea how the football or basketball team is doing. It's almost like they just like the color or had nothing else to wear. Weirdest set of folks. Very little personality. Weirdoes, mostly.

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BearSD said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I don't think I've ever met a UCLA fan. I know several alumni who barely associate with the school, yet they wear the baby blue stuff all the time. In fact, I see UCLA clothing here and there and have had conversations and they have no idea how the football or basketball team is doing. It's almost like they just like the color or had nothing else to wear. Weirdest set of folks. Very little personality. Weirdoes, mostly.

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Years ago I had a fucla fan behind me physically try to pull me down multiple times and tell me to stop standing to cheer. This was in the alumni seating at CMS. Cal was on defense. We almost came to blows.

By contrast I've had a family of Duck fans beside me decked out in full brand new Cal gear cheering for the Ducks "under their breath" so to speak. After a while I leaned over to the dad and said: "This isn't Autzen, you can cheer for your team here."

WalterSobchak said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

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Well aren't they better in football? The series history (now complete) is owned by them 55-34-1. That's pretty dominant even though it's pretty much a wash over the past 30 years. That, but on larger part their location is what made them more attractive to the networks in this realignment phase. Location is totally subjective but hey it was an advantage for them in that critical aspect. It's also one that seems highly sought after as they get the most number of apps.

Now academics - I'd have a big gripe there. They can point to any ranking about how close they are (even tied) and I will laugh. All those mickey mouse factors aside, they don't hold a candle to Berkeley.

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WalterSobchak said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

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Well aren't they better in football? The series history (now complete) is owned by them 55-34-1. That's pretty dominant even though it's pretty much a wash over the past 30 years. That, but on larger part their location is what made them more attractive to the networks in this realignment phase. Location is totally subjective but hey it was an advantage for them in that critical aspect. It's also one that seems highly sought after as they get the most number of apps.

Now academics - I'd have a big gripe there. They can point to any ranking about how close they are (even tied) and I will laugh. All those mickey mouse factors aside, they don't hold a candle to Berkeley.

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Not right now they're not. Last I checked we were kicking their ass up and down the Rose Bowl, dominating all 3 phases of the game. Smacked their OL around like rag dolls; knocked out their starting QB. Dominated them on the ground and lit them up through the air. Multiple explosive plays. Oh and a nice little kick return too. If this rivalry had a trophy it'd be sitting in Berkeley. That's all that really matters to me.

I guess if you're living in the past maybe they can argue they're better. I mean they'll always have 1972 to 1989 to cling to. Then again if we're living in the past we have 5 titles to their 1, so there's that. I'll take the titles.

WalterSobchak said:

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Econ141 said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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The next time I meet a humble fucla fan will be the first. Even on this board we have "Cal" fans telling us how great fucla is and how Cal is terrible by comparison. Where they get this arrogance is anyone's guess, but they have it.

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Really? I have never met a ucla fan who is arrogant about football. They might tell you Cal is terrible, but they don't think their own team is great.

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I mean you kind of make my point with your qualifiers IMO. They're arrogant, just not about football. But they will tell you Cal is terrible at football and their team is also not great. So what's the implication? Cal is worse.

But yeah, to a person the ones I've met think fucla is not only better, but MUCH better. Not just in football, but in everything. All sports. Academics. Location. Everything. Some of the worst encounters I've had have been with fucla students and grads, in real life and on here.

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Well aren't they better in football? The series history (now complete) is owned by them 55-34-1. That's pretty dominant even though it's pretty much a wash over the past 30 years. That, but on larger part their location is what made them more attractive to the networks in this realignment phase. Location is totally subjective but hey it was an advantage for them in that critical aspect. It's also one that seems highly sought after as they get the most number of apps.

Now academics - I'd have a big gripe there. They can point to any ranking about how close they are (even tied) and I will laugh. All those mickey mouse factors aside, they don't hold a candle to Berkeley.

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Not right now they're not. Last I checked we were kicking their ass up and down the Rose Bowl, dominating all 3 phases of the game. Smacked their OL around like rag dolls; knocked out their starting QB. Dominated them on the ground and lit them up through the air. Multiple explosive plays. Oh and a nice little kick return too. If this rivalry had a trophy it'd be sitting in Berkeley. That's all that really matters to me.

I guess if you're living in the past maybe they can argue they're better. I mean they'll always have 1972 to 1989 to cling to. Then again if we're living in the past we have 5 titles to their 1, so there's that. I'll take the titles.

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I am at home sick today and your first paragraph is going to make me rewatch that game tonight. Thank you!

Just listened to the Podcast of Champions, the guy talking about UCLA mentioned David Shaw as a possibility for the OC opening at UCLA. Another name mentioned was Jimbo Fisher.