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To answer Tom's question about classes or ACTIVITIES:

• If she likes a sport(s) and is a little proficient (or not), get on a casual intramural team.
• If she doesn't like sports, find some other way to integrate exercise into your routine. Find a partner and go for a 30 minute morning walk/jog 3x a week. Don't be the person who says, "I don't have time."
• Take a PE class in something you've never tried. Years ago, ballroom dance was incredibly popular, also taekwando. I remember taking handball, an archaic sport played mostly on the east coast, but I had a great time and got a good workout.
• Walk the entire Fire Trail at least once.

The point is, college is a perfect excuse to begin a sedentary lifestyle - don't fall for it!

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Beautiful!!!

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concordtom said:

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My kid is Berkeley bound.
Please help me assemble a list of special classes or activities she should work to fit in.

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"Evolution," once taught by Kevin Padian, is incredible. Likewise, the cross-disciplinary course "Origins" is perhaps the best I ever took.

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Had Padian in 89 for the Intro to Paleontology class. Interesting and did well, but brutal final for a 2 unit class. Buyer beware

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Professor Padian was a key witness in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial where the intelligent design/creationist surrogate theory went down in flames when people needed to raise their hands and promise to tell the truth and were confronted with their BS. Professor Padian's testimony laid out what was actual science and what was not. Go Bears!
https://ncse.ngo/padians-expert-testimony

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HearstMining said:

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To answer Tom's question about classes or ACTIVITIES:

• If she likes a sport(s) and is a little proficient (or not), get on a casual intramural team.
• If she doesn't like sports, find some other way to integrate exercise into your routine. Find a partner and go for a 30 minute morning walk/jog 3x a week. Don't be the person who says, "I don't have time."
• Take a PE class in something you've never tried. Years ago, ballroom dance was incredibly popular, also taekwando. I remember taking handball, an archaic sport played mostly on the east coast, but I had a great time and got a good workout.
• Walk the entire Fire Trail at least once.

The point is, college is a perfect excuse to begin a sedentary lifestyle - don't fall for it!

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There also is the walk up to Lawrence Hall, which I did every week to do my radio show at KALX when its studios were in the Hall. Luckily, there is a bench about halfway up on which I could sit and rest for a few minutes!

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That's no small hike!
How long did it take you?
Up:
Down:

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concordtom said:

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My kid is Berkeley bound.
Please help me assemble a list of special classes or activities she should work to fit in.

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"Evolution," once taught by Kevin Padian, is incredible. Likewise, the cross-disciplinary course "Origins" is perhaps the best I ever took.

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Forget my daughter.
I don't need a degree, just the lectures would be great!



I'll be that old man lurker on campus, sneeking into lecture halls. Eventually, they'll catch up to me.

HearstMining said:

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To answer Tom's question about classes or ACTIVITIES:

• If she likes a sport(s) and is a little proficient (or not), get on a casual intramural team.
• If she doesn't like sports, find some other way to integrate exercise into your routine. Find a partner and go for a 30 minute morning walk/jog 3x a week. Don't be the person who says, "I don't have time."
• Take a PE class in something you've never tried. Years ago, ballroom dance was incredibly popular, also taekwando. I remember taking handball, an archaic sport played mostly on the east coast, but I had a great time and got a good workout.
• Walk the entire Fire Trail at least once.

The point is, college is a perfect excuse to begin a sedentary lifestyle - don't fall for it!

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good advice. Ran into Purvis Short running backwards up the point in the fire trail that separates.
Took a squash course and got my ass kicked. 6-7 dude backpedaling up the fire trail. Next night got my chemistry book signed by Frank Zappa at south side La Val's

Where's the chemistry book today?

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Being a Stat major, I was privileged to take two graduate-level courses from Jerzy Neyman, founder of the department and one of the key figures in the development of modern statistical theory. I dreaded being called up to the board to work a problem. This shows how old I am. I took two classes from someone who earned their undergraduate Mathematics degree at the University of Kharkov in pre-revolution, Tzarist Russia/Ukraine.

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I was an Applied Math major, but I should have switched to Statistics after taking Joe Hodges' upper division Stat sequence.

Joe Hodges was the greatest professor possible, the ultimate Berkeley professor. He developed his own materials (of course), and believed in really clear communication.

It's my highest honor to have stood out in his classes, but it is only because of his inspiration:

https://statistics.berkeley.edu/about/memoriam/memory-joe-hodges

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DenBear said:

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Being a Stat major, I was privileged to take two graduate-level courses from Jerzy Neyman, founder of the department and one of the key figures in the development of modern statistical theory. I dreaded being called up to the board to work a problem. This shows how old I am. I took two classes from someone who earned their undergraduate Mathematics degree at the University of Kharkov in pre-revolution, Tzarist Russia/Ukraine.

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I was an Applied Math major, but I should have switched to Statistics after taking Joe Hodges' upper division Stat sequence.

Joe Hodges was the greatest professor possible, the ultimate Berkeley professor. He developed his own materials (of course), and believed in really clear communication.

It's my highest honor to have stood out in his classes, but it is only because of his inspiration:

https://statistics.berkeley.edu/about/memoriam/memory-joe-hodges

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I don't remember the name of my introductory statistics professor. I just remember that we didn't have a textbook - rather, we got packets of each chapter during the quarter, as the Department was in the process of writing the textbook. The graphs and illustrations didn't have numbers yet. And sometimes the professor would say to ignore or strike out a paragraph. I think that was 1978.

Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

I recall signing up for a Stats class in my senior year and the instructor's English was so bad (I believe he was from either Hong Kong or Taiwan) that I immediately found a different class. I subsequently took it as a required course in B-school and while not always riveting, I could see that it was clearly useful. Everyone should be exposed to some of the basic statistical concepts so when some "expert" draws conclusions from their "data", you can have some sense of whether that's valid.

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Thanks for mentioning - I've been trying to remember his name for years. I remember his Econ 1 lectures in cavernous PSL. You had to be an enthusiastic showman to project your thoughts in that place, and he was pretty good. I recall that he was a Keynesian and jokingly referred to followers of Milton Friedman as "Friedmaniacs". It was only a couple of years after I took the class that Friedman won the Nobel Prize and I always wondered what Sutch thought of that.

DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Yes! Couldn't remember his name...my first class ever...I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore...

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DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Yes! Couldn't remember his name...my first class ever...I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore...

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My first class at Cal, too. Wheeler Auditorium. Sutch was a great lecturer.

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mbBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Yes! Couldn't remember his name...my first class ever...I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore...

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My first class at Cal, too. Wheeler Auditorium. Sutch was a great lecturer.

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yep!! Fall of '75 was when i walked into Wheeler for the first time...

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DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Thanks for mentioning - I've been trying to remember his name for years. I remember his Econ 1 lectures in cavernous PSL. You had to be an enthusiastic showman to project your thoughts in that place, and he was pretty good. I recall that he was a Keynesian and jokingly referred to followers of Milton Friedman as "Friedmaniacs". It was only a couple of years after I took the class that Friedman won the Nobel Prize and I always wondered what Sutch thought of that.

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First class of my Cal years (1977) in Wheeler as well.
Sutch would discuss a concept, explain the Keynes (Berkeley) view and then in a dismissive tone say something like "Oh yeah, Friedman thinks it works like this" (state the Friedman position) "But that's not right".

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Big C said:

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mbBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Yes! Couldn't remember his name...my first class ever...I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore...

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My first class at Cal, too. Wheeler Auditorium. Sutch was a great lecturer.

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yep!! Fall of '75 was when i walked into Wheeler for the first time...

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I thought I recognized you! Okay, do you remember seeing Joe Roth concluding a class in Wheeler every M/W/F at 10:00, as we were walking in?

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mbBear said:

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Big C said:

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mbBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Econ. 1 with Professor Sutch.
Best lecturer I had.

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Yes! Couldn't remember his name...my first class ever...I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore...

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My first class at Cal, too. Wheeler Auditorium. Sutch was a great lecturer.

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yep!! Fall of '75 was when i walked into Wheeler for the first time...

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I thought I recognized you! Okay, do you remember seeing Joe Roth concluding a class in Wheeler every M/W/F at 10:00, as we were walking in?

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Nope...definitely don't...too bad....
I began working at KALX a few weeks after the school year began, so my frozen in time memory of Joe was sitting at a locker post game...
I do remember this: the first day of that Econ 1 class, an absolutely stunning girl sat next to me....and we had a great conversation pre and post class. I didn't ask her out or anything like that, and I never saw her again. No regrets, but was it really possible to meet someone like that the first experience in the Cal classroom?! There is a screenplay in there somewhere!

Most useful classes outside of my Architecture/Engineering major:

Judo/Karate - Knowing Judo techniques is particularly useful for self-defense.
Rhetoric - Being able to organize your thoughts and present them convincingly is an important skill, no matter what your major.

Another note on Kevin Padian teaching evolution: he liked to say something to the effect of "we have, for generations, tended to think of evolution as a hierarchy of complexity. At the top is us, of course, and below us are the other mammals, then the birds, then reptiles, then the fishes. And somewhere down the list you get to bacteria, and below that is pond scum. And then you come to Stanford grads."

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Judo/Karate - Knowing Judo techniques is particularly useful for self-defense.

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I had lots of fun TAing for many martial arts (judo, hapkido, hankido, and yongmudo) classes for Dr. Min. I TA-ed for him for three of my four years at Cal. I have many fond memories of that time. Dr. Min used to pull me aside and teach me random techniques between classes. One time he was being interviewed by a Korean language newspaper; he decided to demonstrate some throws (I had never seen before) for the journalists by tossing me around like a rag doll. (He knew I could fall safely and he also made sure to throw me so that I did fall safely.) Another time I watched him just hit one of the heavy bags, causing it to shudder in place.

I remember being amazed during YT Lee's guest lecture in one of my Chemistry classes after he won the Nobel Prize, hearing how his idea that won the prize was developed during a co-ed softball game with grad students. I still use Harry Edward's ideas - such as challenging Harden's lifeboat ethics - to explain how aggression and in-group/out-group bias will grow as our population grows - mainly between the haves and have nots - with my Psych students. One of my best classes was comparative biology by Robert Full - a heavy set professor who used the models of a soda can and a donut to help describe various body systems when explaining differences among species.

What an amazing, priceless education we gained at Cal!

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I remember being amazed during YT Lee's guest lecture in one of my Chemistry classes after he won the Nobel Prize, hearing how his idea that won the prize was developed during a co-ed softball game with grad students. I still use Harry Edward's ideas - such as challenging Harden's lifeboat ethics - to explain how aggression and in-group/out-group bias will grow as our population grows - mainly between the haves and have nots - with my Psych students. One of my best classes was comparative biology by Robert Full - a heavy set professor who used the models of a soda can and a donut to help describe various body systems when explaining differences among species.

What an amazing, priceless education we gained at Cal!

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Pardon the ignorance, what are the lifeboat ethics you mentioned? And how did Harry Edwards challenge them? I never took Psych at Cal; the closest I got was taking other courses in Tolman.

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BearoutEast67 said:

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I remember being amazed during YT Lee's guest lecture in one of my Chemistry classes after he won the Nobel Prize, hearing how his idea that won the prize was developed during a co-ed softball game with grad students. I still use Harry Edward's ideas - such as challenging Harden's lifeboat ethics - to explain how aggression and in-group/out-group bias will grow as our population grows - mainly between the haves and have nots - with my Psych students. One of my best classes was comparative biology by Robert Full - a heavy set professor who used the models of a soda can and a donut to help describe various body systems when explaining differences among species.

What an amazing, priceless education we gained at Cal!

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Pardon the ignorance, what are the lifeboat ethics you mentioned? And how did Harry Edwards challenge them? I never took Psych at Cal; the closest I got was taking other courses in Tolman.

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Picture people getting into lifeboats from the Titanic. Rich folks would be 4 to a lifeboat. Poor folks would be 20-24 per boat and in danger of swamping. The ethics are that you don't invite the poor into your space or they'll just swamp your boat. Edwards demonstrated with data that if you turn the US (our lifeboat) into a banana republic, soon you'll need guys with semi-automatic and machine guns to guard your stuff. So don't gut public education, social security etc because it profits all of us to have an educated stable populace.

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BearoutEast67 said:

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I remember being amazed during YT Lee's guest lecture in one of my Chemistry classes after he won the Nobel Prize, hearing how his idea that won the prize was developed during a co-ed softball game with grad students. I still use Harry Edward's ideas - such as challenging Harden's lifeboat ethics - to explain how aggression and in-group/out-group bias will grow as our population grows - mainly between the haves and have nots - with my Psych students. One of my best classes was comparative biology by Robert Full - a heavy set professor who used the models of a soda can and a donut to help describe various body systems when explaining differences among species.

What an amazing, priceless education we gained at Cal!

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Pardon the ignorance, what are the lifeboat ethics you mentioned? And how did Harry Edwards challenge them? I never took Psych at Cal; the closest I got was taking other courses in Tolman.

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Picture people getting into lifeboats from the Titanic. Rich folks would be 4 to a lifeboat. Poor folks would be 20-24 per boat and in danger of swamping. The ethics are that you don't invite the poor into your space or they'll just swamp your boat. Edwards demonstrated with data that if you turn the US (our lifeboat) into a banana republic, soon you'll need guys with semi-automatic and machine guns to guard your stuff. So don't gut public education, social security etc because it profits all of us to have an educated stable populace.

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Thanks!

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Judo/Karate - Knowing Judo techniques is particularly useful for self-defense.

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I had lots of fun TAing for many martial arts (judo, hapkido, hankido, and yongmudo) classes for Dr. Min. I TA-ed for him for three of my four years at Cal. I have many fond memories of that time. Dr. Min used to pull me aside and teach me random techniques between classes. One time he was being interviewed by a Korean language newspaper; he decided to demonstrate some throws (I had never seen before) for the journalists by tossing me around like a rag doll. (He knew I could fall safely and he also made sure to throw me so that I did fall safely.) Another time I watched him just hit one of the heavy bags, causing it to shudder in place.

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My Cal MA pin from Dr Min for perfect attendance in Judo is one of my treasured tchotchkes.

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Picture people getting into lifeboats from the Titanic. Rich folks would be 4 to a lifeboat. Poor folks would be 20-24 per boat and in danger of swamping. The ethics are that you don't invite the poor into your space or they'll just swamp your boat. Edwards demonstrated with data that if you turn the US (our lifeboat) into a banana republic, soon you'll need guys with semi-automatic and machine guns to guard your stuff. So don't gut public education, social security etc because it profits all of us to have an educated stable populace.

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Definitely the "barbell effect" in action, and the increasingly bifurcated society we are developing :\

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My Cal MA pin from Dr Min for perfect attendance in Judo is one of my treasured tchotchkes.

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Dr. Min is definitely one of a kind.

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I was an Applied Math major, but I should have switched to Statistics after taking Joe Hodges' upper division Stat sequence.

Joe Hodges was the greatest professor possible, the ultimate Berkeley professor. He developed his own materials (of course), and believed in really clear communication.

It's my highest honor to have stood out in his classes, but it is only because of his inspiration

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Agreed, he had an excellent reputation. I never took a class from Hodges, but he was my MA advisor.

Oppenheimer. We smoked so much ****ing weed out behind the physics building.

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I was there from 1965 thru 1969. The best professor I had was Professor Bean for California History.

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I enjoyed his class and his California history book…..but if you want to learn some interesting tidbits about California history you won't read elsewhere:


*History books can be painful to read (in my opinion, Hamilton, Lawrence in Arabia, and the British are Coming fall into this category). Irving Stone has pop to me, like S.C. Gwynne (Empire of the Summer Moon and Rebel Yell).

"Give me men to match my mountains" is an old California motto. So I was surprised to learn when I looked up the book just now that it is about the West as a whole. The motto reminds me of something I once heard someone say about it, "Yeah, with heads as hard as granite!"

There are a lot of great professors at Cal, but I remember the one quote from the Mechanical Engineering Professor Robert Steinberg (sp?) who was also the Athletic Department Advisor:

"We are a great university with a Football team, not a great Football team with a university. We may lose on Saturday afternoon, but come Monday morning, we are still a great university".

Go Bears!

Another book is "Up and Down California" . It is a four year diary by Brewer as his group surveyed California from 1860 to 1864.

Thanks. Another keeper:

You said that Bean's History of California class was great. I didn't take it, unfortunately. There are a bunch of editions of his text available through abebooks -- the most recent I see is from 2002 and the earliest from 1968. My interest is in California before World War II and especially before 1900. Does it matter which edition I get? I wouldn't think so, but perhaps you have insight into this.

Sorry I cannot help you. It was 56 years ago that I took his class. I am not really sure which volume or text that it was. I was not much of a reader back then. I ended up reading the book backwards. I would read a chapter and then want to read the chapter before to see what happened to cause the events in the original chapter. Does that not make any sense?